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Could Miles or Hoid survive Sel's CR Storms ?

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So miles can survive almost anything and hoid could have a great healing ability. We know for sure he does have one , although probably not as robust as  gold compounding is . So thoughts ? 

 

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The Dor is the power of two Shards so I'm going to say no.

Hoid would probably have a better chance to survive a near brush with the Investiture plasma storm but Miles' metal would be eradicated with him, I think

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I mean, Hoid can certainly get on and off of Sel just fine, so he must be capable of surviving in Sel's CR. And we've seen a good number of Elantrians off-world, so it must be survivable for them too. 

Miles strikes me as the least likely to survive, because he has the weakness of being reliant on his Goldminds. But I still tend to think he could survive as long as storms don't completely obliterate him. 

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Both know about aluminium. They can use it for armor.

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39 minutes ago, Gilphon said:

so he must be capable of surviving in Sel's CR

He might be doing something else.  Miles should be able to do it with sufficient gold reserves and Hoid also has some healing. 

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1 hour ago, PrinceGenocide said:

We know for sure he does have one , although probably not as robust as  gold compounding is .

Actually, Hoid isn't even threatened by a shardblade, so it is probably more effective than gold compounding.

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10 hours ago, R J said:

The Dor is the power of two Shards so I'm going to say no.

Hoid would probably have a better chance to survive a near brush with the Investiture plasma storm but Miles' metal would be eradicated with him, I think

Ok but metalminds are more resilient and stuff right. Ironminds are immune from rust. Meaning the reactivity of pure iron is suppressed. Same could happen to other metals. Esp those like gold whose intent is to preserve a specific ideal form. 

 

9 hours ago, Oltux72 said:

Both know about aluminium. They can use it for armor.

Oh yeah. Wow could it be that simple ? I mean that's amazing. But idk i mean aluminium can still pierced or melted right. So hmmmm wow ok why didn't I think of that ? 

 

8 hours ago, John203 said:

Actually, Hoid isn't even threatened by a shardblade, so it is probably more effective than gold compounding.

Oh yeah , I forgot jasnah threatening him. Hey , could a Surge binder or miles survive a shardblade to the spine or brain. 

Gold compounders can survive beheading and stuff so I guess they could. I wonder about surgebinders. 

Yes shallan took a arrow to the brain and recovered but a shardblade is quite different.

Anyway I guess hoid has a very powerful healing ability then. He just isn't as dramatic with it as miles was. That's really ironic. Lol

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1 hour ago, PrinceGenocide said:

Ok but metalminds are more resilient and stuff right. Ironminds are immune from rust. Meaning the reactivity of pure iron is suppressed. Same could happen to other metals. Esp those like gold whose intent is to preserve a specific ideal form. 

Yes, they are

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I've got a list of various Cosmere bits of metal and I was wondering if you would rank them from like one to ten or just easy to difficult on how hard it would be to steelpush on them. So with one being just a regular coin, ten being like when the Lord Ruler was moving bits of glass on the floor, so like metal inside a person's body.

Brandon Sanderson

It depends on how strong the Investiture in them is.

Questioner

Is that gonna be the answer for all of these?

Brandon Sanderson

Probably!

Questioner

How about a spike charged with Hemalurgy?

Brandon Sanderson

A spike charged with Hemalurgy... that depends on...

Questioner

Not in a person.

Brandon Sanderson

Depends on how strong, yeah, a spike is moderately, (in the realm of these kinds of things) moderately easy to push on because a spike does not rip off very much Investiture. Only enough to short circuit the soul, and less it over time. I would put that at the bottom, with the top being very hard, to be one of the easier things.

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How about a metalmind that is full?

Brandon Sanderson

That is full? That is going to be middle of the realm of the, yeah. Generally easier than, for instance, a Shardblade which is going to be very hard.

Questioner #2

A Shardblade is [inaudible] actually metal? [metal]-ish?

Brandon Sanderson

Ish. Is Lerasium a metal? Yeah.

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So that'd be the same for Shardplate too?

Brandon Sanderson

Shardplate and Blade are very hard. Blade is probably gonna be a little harder.

Questioner

A Half-shard?

Brandon Sanderson

A Half-shard shield? That's gonna be moderate.

Questioner

Nightblood? I imagine that being hard.

Brandon Sanderson

Hard, of all the things you've listed, that is going to be the hardest. Far beyond even a Sharblade.

Questioner

Far beyond metal inside a person? 

Brandon Sanderson

Uh, yes. Depending on how invested the person is.

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If somebody was invested as much as Nightblood?

Brandon Sanderson

Yes, for instance the God King, right. At the end with all those Breaths. Pushing something inside of him, getting through all of that? Gonna be real hard. Average person on Scadrial? You've seen how hard that is. A drab? Much easier.

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That was my next one, or no, sorry not a drab. A lifeless?

Brandon Sanderson

A Lifeless, yeah. Even... yeah. Lifeless are kind of weird because they've had their soul leave but then they've had a replacement stuck in in the form of Breath which leaves them in a very weird position compared to a drab which has had part of their Investiture ripped away but a majority remains, so, anyways. I'm going to give you one more. Pick your favorite.

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A soulstamped piece of metal?

Brandon Sanderson

A soulstamped piece of metal is going to be on the lower, easier side. Not a lot of Investiture going on in a soulstamp.

Salt Lake City signing (March 29, 2014)

https://wob.coppermind.net/adv_search/?query=metalmind%2Bnightblood

But I doubt that they are Invested enough to survive two Shards manifesting their power as a plasma storm

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I don't think Aluminium armour is gonna be enough to survive the Dor. It's just not a durable enough material- maybe it could protect you from the direct effects, but it's still gonna dangerous is slightly more indirect ways that aluminium can't save you from. Like how Aluminium won't protect you from a shardblade because although it's not magically cut by it, we're talking about trying to block a sword with a really flimsy material. 

Also, surgebinders can't survive anything that would kill a person instantly, so a shardblade to the brain is definitely not gonna be survivable for one. 

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12 hours ago, Gilphon said:

I don't think Aluminium armour is gonna be enough to survive the Dor. It's just not a durable enough material- maybe it could protect you from the direct effects, but it's still gonna dangerous is slightly more indirect ways that aluminium can't save you from.

Riino survived unarmored and indeed unprepared.

And nothing keeps you from layering your armor. Put aluminium on top of titanium.

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Hoid has traveled through Sel's cognitive realm multiple times. At a minimum, we've seen him enter it once at the end of Elantris in the 10th Anniversary edition and we know he was on Sel again for Emperor's Soul. I'm guessing he's done it other times as well.

He does travel through the cognitive realm and it's difficult but not impossible for him.

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Exactly how turbulent is the Cognitive Realm around Sel? Khriss seems to think it's rather difficult [to travel] but how difficult would it be for Hoid to get through?

Brandon Sanderson

How difficult would it be to get through to Sel, how difficult would it be for Hoid. I would say straining his resources and capacity. It is difficult for him. So take that as you will. But it is worth his effort and he has done it numerous times.

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On 5/25/2020 at 8:47 PM, PrinceGenocide said:

Yes shallan took a arrow to the brain and recovered but a shardblade is quite different

Kaladin and Hobber were both able to regrow limbs that were severed by shardblades. Hobber had been wounded for a long time, as well. In fact, Brandon has said that one regret he has about changing how Szeth dies is that he was wanting to point out that while Szeth couldn't heal shardblade wounds, Kaladin could, because of a difference in the way Honorblades worked and the Nahel bond.

Also there are WoB saying that both Miles and Hoid could heal shardblade wounds.

 

 
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Related to aluminum armor, what about a heavily armored aluminum vehicle? Obviously later in the Cosmere timeline, but I would guess a car plated with a thick layer of aluminum would be able to survive the Dor.

There is the problem of getting an armored aluminum car into the Cognitive Realm. Can physical objects of that size pass through a perpendicularity? Or would someone need to use stormlight or some other form of investiture to manifest it from its bead in the Cognitive Realm?

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On 31/05/2020 at 4:14 AM, Renarin Kholin said:

There is the problem of getting an armored aluminum car into the Cognitive Realm.

You'd need a boat.

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