A Joe in the Bush Posted June 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, TJ Shade said: What's to day Could you clarify that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Young Pyromancer Posted June 4, 2020 Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 I think he was pointing out a typo you made in that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|TJ| Posted June 4, 2020 Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 1 minute ago, A Joe in the Bush said: Could you clarify that? I hit send accidentally. I've edited it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Joe in the Bush Posted June 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 That makes much more sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Young Pyromancer Posted June 4, 2020 Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, TJ Shade said: What's to say this isn't the case now? Joe could have put 2-3 elims and given Bleeder!Pyro multiple abilities. The only reason he hasn't killed Winsting who claimed to him is because he wants to make sure it's not a fake-claim. Max of two roles, Bleeder counts as one. Also, that would be unfair from the elim's standpoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kynedath Posted June 4, 2020 Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) Okay, the vote is 6 for Pyro and 5 for Bugsy. I don't know how much vote manip the elim team has, but I think we should probably have enough? Probably one or two more votes on him would guarantee Pyros lynch tonight. Edited June 4, 2020 by Kynedath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Young Pyromancer Posted June 4, 2020 Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 *Xino, not bugsy. And remember Wilson already put in her action. You WANT A TIE, not for me to be lynched; in fact, lynching Xino's preferable to me getting lynched from your perspective, as Bleeder's the immediate threat AND if I die you lose access to the elim's scans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|TJ| Posted June 4, 2020 Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 Vote Count: Xino (5) - Lord Sil, Bugsy, Matrim, Shard of Reading, Pyro Pyro (6) - Kynedath, DeTess, TJ, Xino, Experience, Sart Sart [1(0)] - wilson Well, let's try this again after messing it up the first time. After going through the previous votes, I'm convinced that there are at least 2 Smugglers and 1 Impersonator among elims. Wilson's presumed impersonation, would be likely cancelled out by elim impersonator. After the action of elim Smugglers, it'd be 5-4 to Xino. @Sart I'm assuming you're Smuggling a vote off Xino? That'll make it 4-4. Any more Smuggling from elims and we're heading for a solo xino lynch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Young Pyromancer Posted June 4, 2020 Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 1 minute ago, TJ Shade said: Well, let's try this again after messing it up the first time. After going through the previous votes, I'm convinced that there are at least 2 Smugglers and 1 Impersonator among elims That is SO off that I have no idea how you even got that as a number. I think you have a habit of jumping to conclusions. Several times so far you've made mistakes about something and plowed forward, forcing others to bring up the matter and correct you. If you guys want Xino to die, lynch him. If you want me to die, lynch me. Messing with vote manipulation like this is going to screw everyone over. I promise you this: If you try to account for unknown quantities of vote manip, things will not go exactly as you expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|TJ| Posted June 4, 2020 Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, The Young Pyromancer said: I think you have a habit of jumping to conclusions. Guilty. But I'm not trying to manipulate anyone into voting. I'm only trying to guess the outcome of the lynch assuming the worst-case scenario.Worst-case being elims with 2 smugglers and 1 impersonator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devotary of Spontaneity Posted June 4, 2020 Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 The C1 vote count suggested we have a total of two smugglers and an impersonator, but one of those smugglers is dead(Elkanah), the other smuggler is likely Sart, and the impersonator is Wilson. I could see Sart being an elim, but Wilson probably isn't. Assuming Wilson is moving a vote to Pyro from Xino, Pyro will still be lynched even if elim!Sart last minute switched his vote and soothed another vote from Pyro. Despite Pyro being ambiguous/contradictory about which elim player was extorted and to who, there's still a decent chance that if an extortionist redirected somebody to either Xino or Bugsy, the person they redirected was an elim. With Pyro being lynched, it could be reasonable to make this redirected elim the new elim spokesperson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|TJ| Posted June 4, 2020 Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 Sart probably isn't elim, since Pyro has been suspecting Sart as Bleeder for the last 2 cycles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeTess Posted June 4, 2020 Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 9 hours ago, The Young Pyromancer said: But don't say I haven't been continuously helpful. I just eliminated a quarter of your Bleeder suspects right there, an am planning to clear/get data on a whole bunch more this cycle. If I die, you lose that, and Bleeder runs away with the game. I won't deny that you've been useful in finding bleeder, but you've been doing so in a way that guarantees that, provided we follow your directions, we won't be lynching any elims by accident if we misslynch. So, as long as we follow your directions, we're lynching either villagers or bleeder, which is mostly to the benefit of the elims. Without your guidance elims are once again up for murdering, as they should be. So please don't see my push for you to be taken out as a sign that I think you're not helpful for finding bleeder. The problem is you're helpful in a way that benefits the elims a lot, and the village far less, to the point that we'd be getting in trouble if this kept up for much longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Joe in the Bush Posted June 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) 6 AM Lady Telina Maladroi finished tying off the wrap around Xino’s hip, and rested back on her knees. She grabbed another clean rag given to her by Julius, and wiped the blood off her hands, before going back to staring at Constable Pyro. He was talking with Lord Laborn, Matrim and Qwerty again. All were talking about finishing off Xino. Was Xino the Faceless Immortal hunting them? She eyed the young lord up and down again, but he appeared just as wounded and human as he had the whole time she had been treating him. He wouldn’t be killing anyone tonight if he was an immortal. “Shard, Reginald, Silber, Sart.” The four men turned away from their private conversations, crouching around Xino, Julius and her. They moved quickly, without complaint. “I think Constable Pyro has outlived his usefulness. Do any of you disagree?” The men looked at each other, and one by one, shook their head. “He’s playing us against each other.” “Indeed. I need a gun.” She looked around, but none of them offered one. “Do none of you have a gun? Or are none of you willing to use one?” Silber shook his head slowly. “I’m not willing to risk killing a constable if there’s a chance they might escape. It would be the end of me.” The others nodded. “Why didn’t you bring a gun Telina?” She grimaced. “I tried to shoot the Immortal during the initial gunfight. I’m out of bullets.” Xino, laying bloody on the ground, pulled a bag off his hip. “Here, my reloads. I ain’t shooting any time soon.” Telina nodded, and began clicking bullets into her empty revolver. “If you won’t help me, just stay out of my way.” The men cleared out of her way as she stood, and began walking towards Pyro. As she leveled her gun at him at took aim, he started. Pyro whipped around to face her, eyes wide and mouth opening. His yanked his own gun out of his holster and fired one panicked shot into her arm before her own bullet put out his eye. He hit the floor at the same time as her gun. She clutched her bloody arm and swore. “Julius! Get me more rusting rags! Welcome to the 6th Hour! The sun is starting to rise. Your carriage drivers are probably getting Antsy. Also, I am looking for Pinch hitters! Detess was attacked but survived!Pyro was finally Lynched! They were a Constable Stalker! Awake players: 15+ Votes required to Disperse the Party: 9+ Vote Count: Pyro (5): DeTess, Experience, Kynedath, Sart, Silberfarben, TJ, Xino Sart (0): Wilson Xino (3): Bugsy, Matrim, Pyro, Reading Dispersal Votes (0/10): Player List: ThatTinyStrawMan ( Straw ) Renowned Constable Lord Silberfarben ( Lord_Silberfarben ) Xinoehp ( xinoehp512 ) To Be Determined ( Elkanah ) Dowser, a Criminal Smuggler! Shard ( Experience ) Qwerty Meep ( Shard of Reading ) Coda ( Coda ) Lord Reginald ( Kynedath ) Matrim ( Matrim's_Dice ) Lady Zephyr ( Zillah ) Archivald ( The_Archivist ) Lord Karn ( Karnage ) Flogs, a Criminal Gambling Tycoon! Variel ( StrikerEZ ) Bartender/Bodyguard Criminal Lady Lumen ( Mist ) Emi ( Emi ) TBD ( BrightnessRadiant ) LenSaar ( Devotary of Spontaneity ) Lord Malikihal ( The_God_King ) The Young Pyromancer ( The Young Pyromancer ) Constable Stalker Locke Tekiel ( Orlok Tsubodai ) Renowned/Gossip Criminal Lady Arielle ( Arraenae ) Criminal Gossip! Julius ( TJ Shade ) Hammond ( Megasif ) Lord Gavin Verduex ( Hemalurgic Headshot ) Criminal Extortionist mad watcher ( little wilson ) Lady Telina Maladroi ( DeTess ) Lord Laborn ( Bugsy ) Muriel Ladrian ( Furamirionind ) Gossip Constable Lord Hadrian Penrod ( Araris Valerian ) Criminal Gossip a smart guy ( Sart ) Edited June 5, 2020 by A Joe in the Bush 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|TJ| Posted June 4, 2020 Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) So Lord Sil's vote was impersonated. @little wilson I assume this was you? 2 votes were smuggled off Pyro, and 1 from Xino. @Kynedath what was the scan on Sart? No Bleeder kill this cycle as well. They must be scanning for Gambling Tycoons (or it's Sart). Edited June 4, 2020 by TJ Shade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeTess Posted June 4, 2020 Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) So, elims, question.. since pyro claimed you'd be trying to kill me if I was being right about stuff, does this mean I was right about stuff? It is a shame that the tie failed though, as I'd have really liked to have the additional info from a xino lynch, as lynching Elim!xino would have cleared TJ, while I reckon lynching village!xino would have helped prove some theories as well, or at least started getting us some lynch momentum back. I'm considering giving the Xino lynch another go, if only because last cycle Xino actually got around to making some AI comments. I'm curious about the way this vote manip played out though. Could it be that the elims actually moved votes to save Xino, rather than risk a tie? Edited June 4, 2020 by DeTess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|TJ| Posted June 4, 2020 Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 2 hours ago, DeTess said: if only because last cycle Xino actually got around to making some AI comments What does AL mean? Or is it AI? 2 hours ago, DeTess said: Could it be that the elims actually moved votes to save Xino, rather than risk a tie? Doesn't seem to be the case as votes were moved off Pyro, and the one smuggled from Xino would be @Sart's action. Sart, can you confirm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeTess Posted June 4, 2020 Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, TJ Shade said: What does AL mean? Or is it AI? AI: alignment indicative. It's the opposite of NAI: non-alignment indicative 13 minutes ago, TJ Shade said: Doesn't seem to be the case as votes were moved off Pyro, and the one smuggled from Xino would be @Sart's action. Sart, can you confirm? An equal amount of votes was moved off both actually. Xino got one vote soothed and one vote moved to pyro, while pyro had two votes soothed off. That does suggest that the elim vote manip was focussed on Pyro though. Edited June 4, 2020 by DeTess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Posted June 4, 2020 Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) Why exactly did we lynch Pyro? That makes 2 or 3 cycles in a row where we were going to lynch our Bleeder suspect but it got completely turned around in the hours I was asleep right before rollover. I think this time we should actually do it. In addition, we’ve lost our link to the elims. With another useless lynch. IMO this is worse then if Xino was village, at least there we would have learned something. Xino. Please can we actually do it this time..... (wouldn’t mind a Sart lynch either- @Kynedath, what were your scan results?) Speaking of that, Kyne wasn’t attacked. I don’t know what that tells us off the top of my head and I don’t feel like figuring it out. Someone else can. Also, @DeTess, care to explain how you survived? Edited June 4, 2020 by Matrim's_Dice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeTess Posted June 4, 2020 Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Matrim's_Dice said: Also, @DeTess, care to explain how you survived? Given that the elims have already cleared me of being bleeder: No I do not. edit: 5 minutes ago, Matrim's_Dice said: Why exactly did we lynch Pyro? That makes 2 or 3 cycles in a row where we were going to lynch our Bleeder suspect but it got completely turned around in the hours I was asleep right before rollover. I think this time we should actually do it. I lynched pyro because he was rapidly becoming a larger threat to the village than bleeder was, given how he had everyone focused on lynching bleeder-suspects that where guaranteed to be village if we missed. Going on like that would have guaranteed a village loss. For that same reason, unless we get a solid lead on Bleeder, we should be focusing on lynching elims now. Because if we keep going on with the wild goose chase of trying to find bleeder, we soon won't have enough lynches left to actually go after bleeder, even if she were to directly claim in the thread. Regarding Xino, I don't think they're bleeder. They could be an elim, but their stated willingness to be lynched alongside pyro would be very out of character for bleeder (while an elim could count on elim vote manipulation to ensure only one of the two died. Edited June 4, 2020 by DeTess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|TJ| Posted June 4, 2020 Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 Are we supposed to take the write-ups seriously? Has Joe ever hidden hints in them? Because I'm seeing a lot of hints in this one. 3 hours ago, A Joe in the Bush said: He wouldn’t be killing anyone tonight if he was an immortal. Possible hint that xino was escorted? 3 hours ago, A Joe in the Bush said: She grimaced. “I tried to shoot the Immortal during the initial gunfight. I’m out of bullets.” @DeTess I don't know if you have an attacking role. Did you target a possible Bleeder suspect in C1 or C2? 3 hours ago, A Joe in the Bush said: Your carriage drivers are probably getting Antsy. Why is the A capitalised? Something related to Bugsy? Or I'm breaking my head for no reason and getting trolled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little wilson Posted June 4, 2020 Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 grrrrrr knew me shouldnt have impersonated. had this feeeeeling it would be tie without. feeling was right. me doubly sad now. there was impersonate c2 right? that not me if so. 53 minutes ago, TJ Shade said: Why is the A capitalised? Something related to Bugsy? Or I'm breaking my head for no reason and getting trolled. unlike me joejoe like to capitalize words for no reason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Posted June 4, 2020 Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 1 hour ago, DeTess said: I lynched pyro because he was rapidly becoming a larger threat to the village than bleeder was, given how he had everyone focused on lynching bleeder-suspects that where guaranteed to be village if we missed. Going on like that would have guaranteed a village loss. For that same reason, unless we get a solid lead on Bleeder, we should be focusing on lynching elims now. Because if we keep going on with the wild goose chase of trying to find bleeder, we soon won't have enough lynches left to actually go after bleeder, even if she were to directly claim in the thread. Regarding Xino, I don't think they're bleeder. They could be an elim, but their stated willingness to be lynched alongside pyro would be very out of character for bleeder (while an elim could count on elim vote manipulation to ensure only one of the two died. Okay, that’s true. I’ll wait for @Kynedath’s scan result before changing/not changing my vote on Xino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kynedath Posted June 4, 2020 Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 Sart is not Bleeder, they are a smuggler and nothing but a smuggler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|TJ| Posted June 4, 2020 Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 Well I'm glad we didn't mislynch them. I agree with wilson. We've got to go for more than 2 lynches every cycle. I suggest 1 Bleeder suspect and 2 elim suspects unless we have a clear Bleeder suspect. Shard of Reading and Brightness Radiant are my main elim suspects. As for Bleeder we'll have to see between Bugsy and xino. It could also be someone laying low like Coda. But for now I'll go with xino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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