Mid-Range Game 42: The Auction of Lord Winsting

[Furamirionind]

Just now, The Young Pyromancer said:

Spellt ma name wrung.

. . .   0.o

You think Joe would count that?

Pryo

Pyro

[Straw]

Anyone else just get pinged with a ghost post from Experience?

@Orlok Tsubodai you still haven't given me my prize! 

[Experience]

6 minutes ago, Straw said:

Anyone else just get pinged with a ghost post from Experience?

@Orlok Tsubodai you still haven't given me my prize! 

Hey, sorry. I have a post coming up. I accidentally posted my sign up for LG66 in this thread.

[BrightnessRadiant]

I think the simplest answer to all of this is that Karnage is actually Flogs and that Straw is an elim.

Also,

4 hours ago, The Young Pyromancer said:

Well, there's one easy way to tell if Karnage's telling the truth about being Flogs.

Karnage.

I don't understand why this would be the reaction to Karnage's post unless they were trying to save Straw. It feels too obvious but maybe they didn't think it through?

4 hours ago, The Young Pyromancer said:

Okay, Wilson's thing makes sense. Karnage Straw.

 

This just feels like they realized they couldn't save Straw at this point. (elim read on Pyro)

4 hours ago, StrikerEZ said:

Hmm. This is very interesting.

I kind of agree with Pyro. At first, I thought it was odd that he voted on Karnage (I was about to recommend we lynch him or at the very least recommend someone kill him). His latest explanation kind of makes sense. If Karnage is Flogs, we'll find out for sure if we lynch him again. And if he isn't, then we call his bluff and either lynch an elim or Bleeder. If he is telling the truth, it shouldn't be too hard for the village bodyguards to go about trying to keep him alive. If he isn't telling the truth, then we lose nothing and gain the death of an elim/Bleeder. 

If Karnage isn't Flogs, the real Flogs should NOT come out and counter-claim. Karnage

Again, I don't see why Karnage would be faking that claim. You thought it was odd that Pyro voted Karnage but you were gonna suggest killing Karnage too? Or am I misunderstanding? @StrikerEZ (elim read)

 

5 hours ago, Matrim's_Dice said:

I leave for an hour and this happens. My goodness.

First things first. @Karnage, I want to believe you and lynch Straw. It makes so much sense if you are Flogs.

But a few things:

1.  Why would Flogs be a Gambling Tycoon? That makes no sense to me whatsoever, as Flogs is already immune to lynches.
2.  I got ninja'd by Straw and therefore read his post. That makes me unsure for voting on him.
3.  Even though you said it yourself, roleclaiming like that is ridiculously risky. Too risky. I could see this being orchestrated in an elim doc.

But then there is the other side of this. I was already quietly suspicious of Striker for seemingly controlling Emi's vote on Karnage last cycle. Now Striker wants to lynch Flogs after he roleclaimed. However, if I assume a Striker/Emi elim team then why would Emi vote Straw instead of Karnage?

Someone is lying here, Karnage or Straw. I don't want to pick a side yet. No vote at the moment.

 

This looks like hedging so they can vote later on a teammate if they have to if they can't find a way to save them. 

4 hours ago, Matrim's_Dice said:

So I had this big proposition but it looks like everyone is voting Straw already.

Basically it was, let's lynch Straw this cycle. If Karnage is Flogs and is telling the truth, then we found an elim. Yay.

It Karnage isn't Flogs, then oof, sorry Straw. But then we can all lynch Karnage anyway for C3.

The more I think about it the more I realize how stupid it would be to imitate Flogs. That is basically asking for Bleeder to kill you and everyone to be suspicious. So yeah, I trust Karnage at the moment.

This sounds like an elim trying to find a way to join the Straw lynch and make themselves look more innocent by saying they had the idea already. (elim read)

 

If Straw flips elim here I'd like to go after Pyro next cycle but Striker and Matrim are close behind. 

Orlok and Wilson both tried to lynch Straw last cycle which makes me think they aren't elims if straw is. 

I'm getting a village vibe from Rae and really like her analysis this cycle on Straw and Pyro.

Those are all my reads for now. 

[Orlok Tsubodai]

Post analysis up to this point. I had hoped to break this down by player, and work through them. Will do so tomorrow, as doubt we'll get much of use out of the rest of this cycle.

Spoiler

Posts by game	Cycle	Posts by turn	Player:	Key content:	Thoughts on content:	Alignment indicative:	Vote:	Retractions:
1	D1	1	Silberfarben	Hasn't received PM	N/A	NAI
2	D1	2	Elkanah	Welcomes all to game	N/A	NAI
3	D1	3	DeTess	Elims need to kill Bleeder, Bleeder needs to keep Elims alive. Can't trust Bodyguard protection. Elims might want to double tap anyoen with bodyguard protection. Focus of village should be on eliminators, not Bleeder.	Mild village. Suggests that he was trying to give advice to eliminator team in mutual interest.	Mild village
4	D1	4	Elkanah	Jokes about dispersing	Less likely for eliminator to joke about it	Mild village
5	D1	5	Silberfarben	RP	N/A	NAI
6	D1	6	Emi	Asks if we are playing in this thread	Eliminator with so little knowledge would ask elim doc	Moderate village read
7	D1	7	Silberfarben	Confirms we are playing in this thread	N/A	NAI
8	D1	8	DeTess	Dscribes thread creation each cycle	N/A	NAI
9	D1	9	Straw	Responds to DeTess' post. Corrects DeTess stating that Flogs is a role scanner, saying that's what renowned are. Also recommends Flogs be careful. Says we shouldn't trust anyone who has survived. Says focusing on Bleeder would probably be a waste of effort.	Gut read against "probably". Possible Renowned?	Very mild evil
10	D1	10	Coda	Lots of players. Tells Flogs not to die.	Feels like a comment to appear good, not add value	Mild to moderate evil
11	D1	11	Matrim	Asks how many eliminators there normally are. Suggests 3/1 ratio.	Unsure. Genuine question or attempt to appear as confused villager.	Unsure.
12	D1	12	Straw	Responds to Matrim. Says normally 20%-25% eliminators. Suggests seven or eight.	N/A. Reconsider if Straw flips evil.	NAI
13	D1	13	Karnage	Suggests we need to get rid of 7-8 constables if Straw to be believed. Questions whether Elkanah's joke about dispersing was a sign for future constables.	Less likely that Straw and Karnage on the same team if one evil. Think genuine uncertainty around constables, but unclear.	Very mild village
14	D1	14	Matrim	Also questions whether Elkanah's joke was serious.	Very marginally less likely Matrim and Karnage on the same team if either evil.	NAI
15	D1	15	Emi	Apologises for asking questions, asks what we are meant to do.	Genuine uncertainty	Moderate village read
16	D1	16	Matrim	Says also wondering what to do. Thinks first cycle about gut reads and waiting for mistakes. Jokes about being a villager. Thinks eliminators will bandwagon because they have a doc.	Some village, some evil. Think naivity around bandwagon suggests possible non-eliminator.	Mild village read
17	D1	17	Kynedath	Says we need to look for people acting in a suspicious manner. Says we're unlikely to hit an eliminator D1, but lynching D1 is a big way to gain info. Won't vote on D1 for moral reasons.Says poke voting may be less likely. Is going to try to be more active.	Contradictory, but appears to be consistent with previous behaviour.	NAI
18	D1	18	Emi	Thanks Kynedath	N/A	NAI
19	D1	19	Elkanah	Explains disperse vote a joke. Says game doesn't start properly until C3	Disagree with C3. Possible attempt to prevent analysis. Unlikely.	NAI
20	D1	20	Matrim	Says he recieved a notification that Xino posted, but no post	N/A	NAI
21	D1	21	Straw	Says we should try our hardest for a D1 lynch despite limited information. D1 vote gives basis for future discussion. Checked the rules and elims do have a doc. Says Eliminators unlikely to bandwagon.	Agree re D1 lynch. Checking rules for elim doc feels forced.	Mild evil
22	D1	22	Elkanah	Says they like no retraction mechanic. Expresses belief in Kynedath re activity.	N/A	NAI
23	D1	23	Matrim	Says he won't be low profile	N/A	NAI
24	D1	24	Xino	Rules analysis. Suggests Flogs actually better off sharing identity with constables.	Nothing at all controversial. Post to appear active?	V. mild evil
25	D1	25	Emi	Says Xino's post contains a lot of information.	Again, feels genuine	Mild village
26	D1	26	Elkanah	Dowser has normal village win condition. Says game information heavy. With gambling tycoons, c. 34 lives in game.	None	NAI
27	D1	27	Striker	Welcomes new players. Asks Joe about PM mechanic. Says Xino stated his thoughts on the game. Suggests possibly 9 eliminators, because Joe is a troll.	Less likely evil if Straw evil	NAI
28	D1	28	Matrim	Asks further re PM mechanic	N/A	NAI
29	D1	29	HH	Says many kills each cycle. Says C1 lynch may be a bit much, but opportunity for village to direct a kill. No vote.	Absence fo vote despite conclusion interesting. Ignores strong eliminator ability to direct early lynch.	Mild evil
30	D1	30	Straw	Agrees that nine eliminators is a possibility if strong village or weak eliminator team. Poke votes Araris	Sensible analysis	Mild village	Araris
31	D1	31	Mist	Says 3 vote lynch requirement only C1. Says Bleeder won't want to kill too many eliminators too quickly.	N/A	NAI
32	D1	32	Matrim	Asks whether Straw has miscounted	N/A	NAI
33	D1	33	Straw	Clarifies to Matrim his poke vote	N/A	NAI
34	D1	34	wilson	rp. roleclaims gossip. gut reads against straw and karnage. votes straw.	in character with wilson having fun.	very mild village	straw
35	D1	35	Straw	Asks why Wilson has bad gut read against Karnage and himself. Says Xino's post bothers him.	Makes sensible point re Xino - agree. Yet keeps poke vote and doesn't vote based on what botehrs him?	Unsure.
36	D1	36	Pyro	Says he is going to be less active as he doesn't want to die early.	Not helpful to village. Obfuscates reads.	Mild evil
37	D1	37	wilson	says a gut read is a gut read. not able to explain it.	doesnt feel a need to justify herself.	nai
38	D1	38	Matrim	Confuses Straw's poke vote. Votes on Straw.	Quick to leap on misunderstanding. Unlikely to be on a team with Straw. Possibly too eager for a lynch?	Unsure - revisit if Straw dies	Straw
39	D1	39	Straw	Tells Pyro his playstyle isn't useful. Explains poke vote.	Agree re play style.	Very mild village
40	D1	40	wilson	explains straws poke vote.	n/a	nai
41	D1	41	Pyro	Complains about Straw being suspicious of those who post less. Remains committed to it.	Overacting? Seems committed to low involvement playstyle.	Mild evil
42	D1	42	Xino	Finishes rule review.	Still no engagement with actual players.	Very mild evil
43	D1	43	Straw	Questions whether Matrim was trying to get a lynch train started on him	Seems to be genuine confusion from Matrim. Excuse to cast suspicion on him? Still has poke vote on Araris.	Very mild evil
44	D1	44	Dot	RP	N/A	NAI
45	D1	45	Matrim	Retracts from Straw, poke votes on Archivist following Straw's pattern.	Yet less likely that Straw and Matrim on the same team.	NAI	Archivist	Straw
46	D1	46	Elkanah	Says their point was more lynches to lylo. Therefore more information.	Sensible enough	NAI
47	D1	47	wilson	explains her posting style	n/a	nai
48	D1	48	Karnage	Votes on Fura. Asks whether Wilson's style is to confuse people.	Seems like honest question	NAI	Fura
49	D1	49	wilson	explains her style and why shes doing it	agree wholeheartedly	nai
50	D1	50	Devotary	Says killing anyone who survives a lynch could be killing Flogs	Fair observation	NAI
51	D1	51	Karnage	Responds positively to Wilson	n/a	NAI
52	D1	52	Pyro	Congratulates Karnage on post count	Waste of thread...	NAI
53	D1	53	Matrim	Congratulates Straw on post count	Waste of thread...	NAI
54	D1	54	Bugsy	Says he will be inactive this cycle due to essay	N/A	NAI
55	D1	55	BR	Complains about too many posts. Mixes up village an eliminator names. Says eliminator team would be hilariously big with seven or eight people.	Have muslynched for mixing names before. Worth watching. Agrees with Straw that team probably not bigger than seven or eight. Possible that on same team if evil, trying to sell smaller team?	Mild evil
56	D1	56	Orlok	Votes on Straw as third vote. Has missed Matrim's retraction.	Is an idiot. Can't even read properly.	Village
57	D1	57	Pyro	Questions whether game could have fewer elims than normal to make village paranoid.	Not helpful to state - shouldn't be lowering people's guard.	Moderate evil.
58	D1	58	Straw	Says village win if bleeder also dead. Asks Orlok's reasoning for vote.	Moves discussion on.	NAI
59	D1	59	Emi	Says they're going to sleep	N/A	NAI
60	D1	60	Orlok	Vote on Straw is gut. Wanted to make three vote lynch.	See above. Clearly an idiot.	Village
61	D1	61	Fura	Tells Pyro never played a game where he died C1. Says he has complained about C1 death every game, so NAI. Votes on Karnage in retailiation	Useful information.	NAI	Karnage
62	D1	62	Pyro	Says worst he has been is neutral. Lists early deaths.	Sympathy appeal. Reminds everyone never evil - so can't be this time?	Moderate evil.
63	D1	63	Fura	Says Pyro's early deaths all ages ago. Says Striker became more active after repeatedly dying early.	Still no vote on Pyro?	Unsure
64	D1	64	Striker	Comments on previous early deaths	N/A	NAI
65	D1	65	Matrim	Asks if he can PM Joe whenever	Seems genuine confusion	Strong village
66	D1	66	Fura	Answers Matrim	N/A	NAI
67	D1	67	Pyro	Thinks renowned are alignment scanners.	If evil would know this not to be case	Mild village
68	D1	68	Karnage	Poke votes God King, retracts from Fura for posting	Not helpful use of votes. Consistent.	NAI	God King	Fura
69	D1	69	Arraenae	Win con analysis.	Useful information.	NAI
70	D1	70	Araris	Votes on Karnage for poke voting only	Fair enough vote.	Mild village	Karnage
71	D1	71	Orlok	Multiquote. Thinks Emi village. Worried about Xino, Coda, Straw, Pyro	Needs to get some sleep	Village
72	D1	72	Matrim	Says his vote is staying on Archivist, but agrees with Orlok re worry about Coda	Seems to believe in poke votes.	NAI
73	D1	73	Elkanah	Says Coda's behaviour is standard for them. Won't vote on KArnage as tunnelled on them last game.	Useful information.	NAI
74	D1	74	Pyro	Again says he has never been mafia. Says he is disappointed not to be soemthing interesting.	Very strong gut against this.	EVIL
75	D1	75	Matrim	Asks what NAI means	Would probably be asked in elim doc if in one	Mild village
76	D1	76	Elkanah	Apologises for using acronym	N/A	NAI
77	D1	77	Straw	Says language picked up by Orlok is normal for him. Says suspicious of Xino, Pyro, Karnage. Will be fine with Pyro if he starts posting.	Lots of connections.	NAI
78	D1	78	Arraenae	Tells Orlok that people are saving PMs	True, misses Orlok's point	NAI
79	D1	79	Pyro	Does basic role analysis	Not alignment indicative posting. Doesn't give information on relationships between players.	NAI
80	D1	80	Fura	Does elim count analysis. Suggests 9 eliminators.	V useful post. High elim count - not downplaying	Mild village
81	D1	81	Straw	Asks Pyro for reads. Asks Orlok why he village reads Emi.	V sensible post re Pyro.	Mild village
82	D1	82	Straw	Answers Joe	N/A	NAI
83	D1	83	Matrim	Asks Straw if he passed his test	N/A	NAI
84	D1	84	Pyro	Says Wilson being weird makes it hard to read her. Queries whether this is her point? Thinks Matrim playing oddly. Village reads Karnage. Says Straw and Orlok making a big deal of his posting differently, but Straw being reasonable.	Can't spell my name. Disagree with most of his analysis, but appreciate him putting it there	Unsure
85	D1	85	Sart	Vote count. Votes on Straw for not giving his own reads, and to force a vote. Thinks Karnage playing normally.	Agree with him.	Mild village	Straw
86	D1	86	Matrim	Says he poke voted Archivist. Says Straw leaving vote on Araris is odd.	Poke voting isn't useful. Fair observation re Straw.	Unsure
87	D1	87	Pyro	Votes on Straw for leaving vote on Araris	Better than nothing	Unsure - revisit if Straw dies	Straw
88	D1	88	Straw	Replies to Araris, says he has given thoughts on players. Gives further reads. Kynedath village for helping players. HH elim read due to waffle. NAI on Coda. Araris suspicious. Wilson suspiciousish. Then says "Araris posted?" Moves vote to Xino.	Great that giving reads. V useful. Araris read then question whether they've posted v. odd. Ask about this.	Unsure but useful	Xino	Araris
89	D1	89	Pyro	Elkanah posting a lot not saying much. Moves vote from Straw to Elkanah	Vote on Straw NAI. Possibly distancing.	Unsure	Elkanah	Straw
90	D1	90	Karnage	Asks what is wrong with poke voting. Says Orlok shouldn't think they are a villager just because he forgot the elim doc exists. Identifies Pyro's post trying to slip under the radar.	No vote on Pyro for this? Village gut on this post.	Moderate village read
91	D1	91	Xino	Vote count. Gives reads. Trusts Elkanah on gut. Says he doesn't agree with Orlok's vote on Straw. Sart vote based on false information. Votes on Sart for bandwagonning.	Seems justifiable belief.	Mild village	Sart
92	D1	92	Araris	Defends Sart, suspicious of Xino.	Fair enough.	Mild village
93	D1	93	Matrim	Village read Straw for honest contributions. Village reads Pyro. Slight elim reads on Sart and Araris. Elim read on Elkanah for joke. Xino gut village. Still poke voting Archivist	Elim read on Elkanah odd. Misunderstanding of game makes me think doesn't have a team.	Mild village
94	D1	94	Elkanah	Says doesn't want to lynch active players	N/A	NAI
95	D1	95	God King	Says he is lurking.	Terrible strategy. That he's admitting to it is less likely if evil.	Mild village
96	D1	96	BR	Points out to Matrim that eliminators less likely to make jokes. Reads it as NAI for Elkanah. Doesn't want to lynch Straw when he is this active. Thinks Pyro NAI. Village vibe for Fura. Defends Pyro again.	Strong connection with Pyro	Moderate evil.
97	D1	97	Pyro	Informs BR that when retractign a vote you have to place a new one	N/A	NAI
98	D1	98	BR	Correcting misunderstanding	N/A	NAI
99	D1	99	Kynedath	Rules analysis. Dispersion less important than had initially thought. Reads: BR neutral, but post suspicious. Xino not suspicious for going through roles. Like Straw's activity. Doesn't like lynch on Karnage. Suspicious of DeTess. Bad gut on God King.	Reads feel genuine. Agree re Karnage. Disagree re DeTess.	Mild village.
100	D1	100	Zillah	Thinks Kynedath's attempt at new playstyle leans vilage. Elkanah's joke NAI. Suspicious of Sart for adding pressure to Straw. Disagrees with Xino that Sart is bandwagoning. Asks Matrim why he thinks Xino leans elim.	Reads feel genuine. Particularly like nuance on Sart.	Mild village
101	D1	101	Pyro	God King a lurker	Obviously	NAI
102	D1	102	Emi	Says they're here	N/A	NAI
103	D1	103	God King	Admits to lurking - only posted to vote next cycle	We should lynch lurkers on policy.	Moderate village read
104	D1	104	Arraenae	Deep dive on Straw. Thinks no WGG if Straw evil. Thinks possible connection between Straw and Araris. Identifies lack of vote on Xino. Thinks Straw is acting like Orlok used to by pushing others for reads. Thinks Straw lynch would be information rich, but enjoys Straw's new playstyle. Wants to leave him alove for a few more turns. Votes on Sart as disagrees with him on Straw.	Red flag at Straw acting like "old!Orlok". I had a very, very high rate of being evil during that period.	Mild village	Sart
105	D1	105	BR	Says she is feeling better but is meant to be asleep	N/A	NAI
106	D1	106	Emi	RP	N/A	NAI
107	D1	107	Striker	Confused by God King, and by suspicion on Straw. Thinks Straw's playstyle is typical of him in recent games.	Suspicion of Straw not driven by playstyle	Mild evil
108	D1	108	Orlok	Explains info-gathering lynch logic on Straw	Anyone who comments on this to me gets a prize.	Village
109	D1	109	BR	Doesn't want to lynch most active player for info gathering, so against lynching Straw.	Second connection with Straw. Possible teammates?	Mild evil
110	D1	110	DeTess	Asks Orlok to explain village read on Emi. Responds to Kynedath's question on their activity. Says Pyro is playing very defensively. Doubts there are nine eliminators due to early stage LyLo. Thinks Araris and Sart not teammates. Votes on Fura, suspicious of Pyro, God King.	I should probably respond to this at some point. Agree strongly re Pyro. Agree re Araris and Sart.	Mild village	Fura
111	D1	111	Silberfarben	RP, will be inactive going forward	N/A	NAI
112	D1	112	Coda	Defends Straw. Thinks Straw a villager. DOes not think anyone is suspicious.	Strong link with Straw, obviously. Teammates if either evil?	Mild evil
113	D1	113	Straw	Disagrees with Orlok's views on information lynching. Thinks it corrupts information you get. THinks we should focus on suspicion.	Well made argument.	NAI
114	D1	114	Karnage	Questions Araris on his willingness to bandwagon but not poke vote. Thinks Sart and Araris are on a team.	Strong disagreement on both points. Bandwagon here generates much more information. Poke votes totally useless.	Mild evil
115	D1	115	Orlok	Explains view on information imbalance.	Clearly hasn't properly read Straw's post re corrupted information	Village
116	D1	116	Matrim	Suspicious of Xino because everyone else is. Village reads Orlok, Straw, BR, Kynedath. Elim reads Sart, God King, Araris. Votes on Sart, retracts from Archivist	Weak reasoning, but unafraid to post weak reasoning. Disagree with almost all reads.	Mild village	Sart	Archivist
117	D1	117	Shard of Reading	Apologises for inactivity. Defends Straw because first round lynches inaccurate, doesn't sound like an eliminator, seems to be drawing information out of people.	Bizarre reasoning - first point would apply to anyone. Unsure why singling Straw out - inexperienced and defending teammate? Likely evil if Straw evil.	Moderate evil.
118	D1	118	Emi	Asks where we vote	Utter confusion	Village
119	D1	119	Matrim	Explains how you vote	N/A	NAI
120	D1	120	Straw	Responds to Orlok on infolynching. Thinks Sart and Araris suspicious. Thinks Pyro and Xino suspicious, but less so than earlier. Asks Emi what they feel like about Orlok village reading them.	Surprised by belief that both Sart *and* Araris evil. THink if so, either or.	Mild village
121	D1	121	Emi	Talks about changing vote colour	N/A	NAI
122	D1	122	Experience	Comments on Straw. Thinks he isn't a Serial Killer. Votes on God King.	God King lynch is ultra low information. Waste of a cycle. Why comment on Straw?	Mild evil	God King
123	D1	123	Kynedath	Thinks infolynching weak. Brutal philosophy that encourages inactivity. Suspicious of Orlok.	Disagree, but understand sentiment.	NAI
124	D1	124	God King	Says doesn't bother engaging D1 because nothing good comes out of it	Wouldn't D2 be the same if we didn't engage D1?	NAI
125	D1	125	Straw	Disagrees with God King's logic	Eminently sensible	NAI
126	D1	126	Shard of Reading	Asks what C1 is	N/A	NAI
127	D1	127	Kynedath	Answers Shard of Reading re C1	N/A	NAI
128	D1	128	Straw	Answers Shard of Reading re C1	N/A	NAI
129	D1	129	Shard of Reading	Asks for explanation without acronyms	N/A	NAI
130	D1	130	God King	Gets very defensive at Straw's challenge. Says they can't contribute to analysis.	Felt like genuine feeling wrt Straw. Probably not both evil.	Unsure
131	D1	131	Kynedath	Explains acronyms	N/A	NAI
132	D1	132	God King	Explains length of cycles	N/A	NAI
133	D1	133	Straw	Explains acronyms	N/A	NAI
134	D1	134	Matrim	Asks Silberfarben and Dot for reads as they have RPed but not posted	Sensible request	NAI
135	D1	135	Shard of Reading	Votes to lynch the God King for trying to "stall"	What does he mean by stalling? God King almost our worst possible lynch.	Mild evil
136	D1	136	Striker	Agrees with Straw re infolynch.	N/A	NAI
137	D1	137	God King	Seems bitter about Shard's response	Unlikely Shard and God King on a team. If evil would be trying harder to stay alive?	Mild village
138	D1	138	Shard of Reading	Asks people not to read too much into his vote.	Deep gut feeling against this.	Moderate to strong evil
139	D1	139	DeTess	Points out God King flying under radar, can't complain about lynch votes.	N/A	NAI
140	D1	140	Matrim	Clarifies Shard's meaning re "moving"	Siblings?	NAI
141	D1	141	Shard of Reading	Complains about having to think.	Gut evil	Moderate evil.
142	D1	142	God King	Has no analysis, didn't want to post.	Anyone can analyse.	Unsure
143	D1	143	Matrim	Reading NAI on God King	None	NAI
144	D1	144	DeTess	Thinks God King likely non-elim given motive. Asks God King to contribute later.	Agree strongly	Moderate/strong village
145	D1	145	Straw	Encourages GOd King to be active	N/A	NAI
146	D1	146	Emi	Votes on Kynedath	No rationale, probably villager	Mild village	Kynedath
147	D1	147	Kynedath	Asks why Emi voted on them	N/A	NAI
148	D1	148	Emi	Voted on Kynedath because it was "all too good"	Unsure what they mean. Potential liability in late game even if village?	NAI
149	D1	149	Kynedath	Asks for explanation from Emi	N/A	NAI
150	D1	150	Emi	Misunderstands Kynedath	N/A	NAI
151	D1	151	Straw	Also asks for Emi's reason for their vote	Seems clear enough that Emi is confused. Wanting to seem active/helpful?	NAI
152	D1	152	Emi	Says vote on Kynedath just felt right. Apologises.	Feels like no ulterior motives here. Young?	Mild village
153	D1	153	Kynedath	Asks Emi to retract vote and place it elsewhere if they have any other suspicions	N/A	NAI
154	D1	154	Straw	Gives Emi benefit of the doubt	Only sensible answer here	NAI
155	D1	155	Pyro	Thinks Emi suspicious. Retracts Elkanah, votes on Emi. Thinks Orlok suspicious.	Disagree vehemently re Emi.	Strong evil	Emi	Elkanah
156	D1	156	Emi	Says they will retract their vote	Needs to read rules again	Moderate village
157	D1	157	Kynedath	Explains retraction mechanic to Emi	Remarkably tolerant.	NAI
158	D1	158	Emi	Says they will reread thread then vote again	N/A	NAI
159	D1	159	Pyro	Says Emi clearly doesn't have any other reads	Give the new player some leeway! Thinks Emi an easy lynch?	Mild evil
160	D1	160	Emi	Says they are still learning	Genuine	Mild village
161	D1	161	Pyro	Says voting for Emi to be more aggressive	Be more aggressive when you have good reason, not to get an easy lynch.	Mild evil
162	D1	162	Karnage	Asks if people saw his post	N/A	NAI
163	D1	163	Straw	Provides vote count	N/A	NAI
164	D1	164	Striker	Votes on Karnage as logic in posts feels weird. DOesn't like how Karnage feels Sart and Araris in alignment.	Agree that Sart and Araris not bound together.	Unsure	Karnage
165	D1	165	Emi	Says they agree with Striker, ask how they change their vote	Looking for easy alternative?	Mild evil
166	D1	166	Matrim	Corrects Straw's vote count	N/A	NAI
167	D1	167	Straw	Explains to Emi how to change vote. Says Orlok, Wilson, Sart have been quiet. Thinks Orlok writing a long post.	Doesn't make any analysis - just comments that they have been quiet.	NAI
168	D1	168	Matrim	Not sure why people voting om Karnage	To be honest, I don't really see it either. Karnage just feels like a blind spot to me	Unsure
169	D1	169	Shard of Reading	Further corrects Straw's vote count	N/A	NAI
170	D1	170	DeTess	Heading off for the night and possibly cycle	N/A	NAI
171	D1	171	Straw	Asks DeTess for last minute reads	N/A	NAI
172	D1	172	Karnage	Voted on Sart because thinks Sart and Araris teammates, and so evil. Araris has no posts.	Logical enough, even if I disagree. Don't see evil read from this.	Mild village
173	D1	173	Emi	Retracts Kynedath, votes Karnage	Bandwagoning	Mild evil	Karnage	Kynedath
174	D1	174	Araris	Poke votes useless. Addresses Karnage's suspicion of him.	Sensible enough riposte. Agree on poke votes.	Mild village
175	D1	175	Striker	Explains suspicion of Karnage comes from Karnage's post attacking Sart and Araris	Feels genuine	Mild village
176	D1	176	Karnage	Suggests bandwagons better in the second half of the cycle. Reaffirms belief that Araris and Sart are teammates.	Disagree on both.	NAI
177	D1	177	Pyro	Finds inconsistency in Karnage's views on poke votes. Retracts Emi, votes Karnage	Good observation. Agree that probably trying to save themselves. Don't think that is alignment indicative here.	NAI	Karnage	Emi
178	D1	178	Emi	Says Karnage going to be eliminated	N/A	NAI
179	D1	179	Straw	Responds to Emi	N/A	NAI
180	D1	180	Matrim	Asks for vote count	N/A	NAI
181	D1	181	Karnage	Thinks he has been consistent. Thinks Sart, Araris, Striker and Pyro on a team. Accepting of death.	Disagree re team. Don't get evil gut read here	Unsure
182	D1	182	Archivist	Gut village on Straw, gut eliminator on God King and Sart	None	Unsure
183	D1	183	Orlok	Large post #1	Needs to go to bed.	Village	Pyro	Straw
184	D1	184	Araris	Response to Karnage defending disdain at poke votes.	In complete agreement	Known Village
185	D1	185	Straw	Criticises Orlok's formatting. POints out that he suspected Orlok was collating a long post.	What else would I be doing?	NAI
186	D1	186	Fura	Reads Emi as village. Something throwing them off re Araris and Sart. Thinks Orlok hasn't done anything alignment indicative. Explains gathering information to God King.Doesn't like lynch shifting to Karnage. Votes on Straw.	Don't like analysis re Araris and Sart. Absolutely right re me. Look at the KKC rerun for an example of when I did all of this whilst evil. Yes, I waste that much time on SE games. Sue me. No explanation for vote on Straw. Question this.	Mild village	Straw	Karnage
187	D1	187	Matrim	Reread thread, now thinks Orlok mild elim or NAI	No explanation for why.	Very mild evil
188	D1	188	Straw	Asks why Fura thinks Straw an elim, given they only agreed with Orlok on info lynching	A fair question	NAI
189	D1	189	Fura	Voted on Straw because lynch between Straw and Karnage, and doesn't like lynch on Karnage	Lynch not actually between Straw and Karnage. If they believed this to be the case, fair enough.	Mild village
190	D1	190	Matrim	Vote count	N/A	NAI
191	D1	191	Fura	Complains about three people being in danger of the lynch.	The more people at risk of being lynched the better.	Mild evil
192	D1	192	Orlok	Reiterates suspicion of Straw. Says they will return vote to Straw if people disagree re Pyro. Asks people to read his large post #1	Who am I kidding. No one reads these posts. Remember to give Straw his prize at some point.	Village
193	D1	193	Fura	Asks if Pyro has any votes	They saw a vote count three posts ago...	NAI
194	D1	194	Matrim	Says Pyro only has Orlok's vote	N/A	NAI
195	D1	195	Pyro	Says Karnage just saying whatever they need to to survive.	Needs to give examples of this. Ask for them.	Mild evil.
196	D1	196	Archivist	Vote count, votes on God King	No explanation for vote on God King, which is a terrible lynch. Why not?	Mild evil	God King
197	D1	197	Fura	Thought we were close to rollover	N/A	NAI
198	D1	198	Striker	Confirms Archivist's vote count. Justifies vote on Karnage as Karnage voting on anyone who might get lynched, rather than who they think is suspicious. Doesn't like Karnage's linking of Sart and Araris. Doesn't like Emi and Pyro's votes on Karnage, asks Emi for justification.	Review Karnage's posts to see if makes sense. Agree re linking of Sart and Araris.	Mild village
199	D1	199	Pyro	Explains Emi's vote on Karnage. Says Emi doesn't trust their analysis, and is going with experienced players' opinions. Says he is suspicious of Emi.	Let Emi speak for themselves.	Unsure
200	D1	200	Straw	Asks Fura why he is a better lynch train than Karnage. Answers Orlok question re quote chronology (see #88). Removes vote on Xino. votes on Fura. Agrees God King village. Disagrees with Orlok reading Matrim and Emi village on new player confusion. Justifies delay on moving post to Xino. Lies about Orlok's copy and paste skills.	Useful clarification. Think ignoring nuance re Emi and Matrim. If evil, hard clear both as village.	Unsure.
201	D1	201	Orlok	Says large post #2 not for a few hours. Explains value of judgement on new player confusion.	I'll roleclaim to anyone who roleclaims to me in PMs with a sensible code.	Village
202	D1	202	Shard of Reading	Agrees with Orlok on new player confusion of Matrim and Emi being village	Check to see if exhibited any new player confusion themselves	NAI until review
203	D1	203	Matrim	Points out Shard is a new player	Probably not on team with Shard	NAI unless Shard flips evil
204	D1	204	Pyro	Says in first game tricked people into thinking more experienced player, so believes reverse possible.	Disagree - see point about judgement.	Mild evil
205	D1	205	wilson	says she cant elaborate on gut read on straw, as point is gut read. doesnt feel strongly about straw lynch. doesnt like karnages opinion on araris	ask about her opinion on karnage again. like her gut read against straw	mild village
206	D1	206	Straw	Notices my formatting when analysing Wilson	I don't actually believe anyoen except Straw is reading these posts. He can have a second prize if he tells me the names of his teammates.	NAI
207	D1	207	HH	Says he is poor at analysis. Says he still doesn't know what to think about D1 lynches. Doesn't want to lynch any of Straw, Sart, Karnage, or God King. Votes on Matrim as won't make a differenc ebut mild gut read.	Any analysis better than none. Still sueful for determining your own alignment and connections. Really dislike votes meant not to make a difference. Ask whether this is typical of present HH.	Unsure	Matrim
208	D1	208	Pyro	Comes up with idea about forcing elim kill	Clearly broken idea. Attempt to seem good?	NAI
209	D1	209	Straw	Picks up HH lack of contribution and useless vote. Asks for elaboration on Matrim	Straw wins my inaugural 'medal of honour' award. They've said so much of what I wanted to say, and it is such a shame they are evil.	Mild village
210	D1	210	Straw	Asks Fura to justify her vote. Points out their lack of reads.	Distancing or just more of common sense?	Unsure
211	D1	211	Pyro	Expresses frustration at plan being ruled out by Joe. Asks people to PM them.	Seems overly dramatic.	Mild evil.
212	D1	212	Fura	Says they abandoned Karnage vote as lots of people voting on them. Says bad gut read on DeTess. Says voting on Straw as not many votes on them and they feel defensive.	Dislike reason for abandoning Karnage vote. Agree re Straw	Mild village
213	D1	213	Matrim	Asks whether Drake led a whole set of lynches of villagers	N/A	NAI
214	D1	214	Sart	Votes Karnage to save skin, but thinks they are a villager. Retracts vote form Straw despite still thinking something off. Thinks elims amongst group defending Straw, but thinks Straw more likely Bleeder than elim.	Dislike votes to save oneself, particularly in early game. Agree strongly re defense of Straw.	Mild village	Karnage
215	D1	215	Straw	Notes Fura didn't give reads.Thinks Fura looking for reasons not to give opinions. Feels justified in vote on Fura.	Less likely distancing. Soft clear Fura when Straw flips evil?	Mild village
216	D1	216	Matrim	Questions why Sart used "the village" and whether word choice was intentional	Please don't make the Ripplegylf blunder. I still feel bad about this occasionally.	NAI
217	D1	217	wilson	asks for vote count	n/a	nai
218	D1	218	Orlok	Gives updated post analysis, with correct formatting. Lays out belief in connections between Straw, Pyro, BR and Shard of Reading. Gives village reads for Wilson, Sart, Araris and strong village reads on Matrim, Emi, Kynedath, DeTess and God King. Returns vote to Straw as people aren't joining lynch on Pyro.	I should stop posting at 2am. Come back and look at this post when Straw flips evil.	Village	Straw	Pyro
219	D1	219	Pyro	Says he is neutral on Straw, not suspicious of him. Complains about Orlok's suspicion of him.	Another Pyro-Straw connection. If you are reading this, Pyro, I don't want you to do anything. I'm simply suspicious of you because of your posts.	Mild evil
220	D1	220	Straw	Find Orlok's comment about offering a prize	Wins a prize.	NAI
221	D1	221	Pyro	Comes up with something really odd re 108 and Japan. Reading too much into my easter eggs.	N/A	NAI
222	D1	222	God King	Complains that editor killed comments. Feels votes for both Straw and Sart are off. Thinks Karnage bandwagon of opportunity	No suspicions of his own. Very limited analysis.	Mild evil
223	D1	223	Pyro	Points out God King doesn't add value in post. Suspicious of God King	Sensible	NAI
224	D1	224	Shard of Reading	Justifies Orlok#117 as being inexperienced. Says they thought it would be like IRL mafia with no info C1 lynchings.	Check against post #117	Revise later
225	D1	225	Pyro	Quotes Mist	N/A	NAI
226	D1	226	Mist	Has actually read Orlok's post. Finds typo in it. Asks Dot, Silberfarben and Hammond for thoughts. Will give thoughts in C2	Chase C2 thoughts. Very impressed that they read my post in that level of detail. Doesn't give thoughts themselves.	NAI
227	D1	227	Shard of Reading	Asks for vote count	N/A	NAI
228	D1	228	God King	Responds to Pyro defending views. Thinks Pyro evil as supporting all three lynches.	Like analysis of Pyro. Gut village	Moderate village
229	D1	229	Matrim	Says not siblings with Shard. Leaves vote on Sart though less suspicious of him. Gives vote count. Doesn't understand Karnage lynch, or suspicion of Straw. Suspicious of Emi.	Agree re Karnage lynch. Strong disagree re Straw and Emi.	Mild evil
230	D1	230	Striker	Provides vote count	N/A	NAI
231	D1	231	BR	IS going to try to catch up with thread	N/A	NAI
232	D1	232	Pyro	Thinks Orlok thinks there is a point to Karnage lynch, references #177. Says "even Orlok". Against lynching active posters.	Strong need to query "even Orlok". Disagree with framing me as agreeing with lynch. In 177 I say Karnage's actions NAI.	Unsure - revist after query
233	D1	233	Mist	Tells God King not to use Grammarly on 17S	N/A	NAI
234	D1	234	God King	Says post deleted by Chaos	N/A	NAI
235	D1	235	Mist	Says CHaos will replace it when fixed	N/A	NAI
236	D1	236	Straw	Asks what is happening with thread	N/A	NAI
237	D1	237	God King	Explains suspicion of Pyro. Thinks he is contradicting himself. Looking for opportunities to justify a lynch. Votes on Pyro.	Agree on all counts.	Strong village	Pyro
238	D1	238	God King	Explains what is going on with Grammarly and thread	N/A	NAI
239	D1	239	BR	Says to Orlok wasn't complaining about number of posts. Corrects Orlok on confusion re team names. States not agreeing with Straw on team numbers.	DIstancing from Straw? After I made suggested connection between them.	NAI
240	D1	240	Karnage	Quotes long conversation. Defends himself. Finds Pyro, Striker, Emi, Araris. Sart suspicious, village read on Straw. Can't see Orlok's posts/	None at present	Unsure
241	D1	241	Fura	Deep dive on players up for lynch. Elim reads Karnage. Thinsk clear progression in God King's play style. Retracts from Straw, votes on Karnage.	Why retract from Straw? Suspicious of Straw flips evil	Mild evil	Karnage	Straw
242	D1	242	Pyro	Responds to God King. Misinterprets Orlok.	N/A	NAI
243	D1	243	Araris	Disagrees with Karnage re poke voting	Agree with Araris	NAI
244	D1	244	Elkanah	Doesn;t think Straw evil. Thinks God King consistent. Karnage sounds sincere. Won't vote.	N/A	NAI
245	D1	245	Kynedath	Thinks Araris distancing from Sart. Thinsk Pyro shouldn't be looking for people to tell them what to do. Thinks Pyro suspicious.	First useful connection between Araris and Sart. Like read on Pyro	Mild/moderate village
246	D1	246	Araris	Says he was trying to distance from Sart as doesn't trust him	Like honesty here	Mild village
247	D1	247	Zillah	Thinks Rae using RNG is safe vote as inexperienced elim. Thinks Striker on the fence. Points out risk of elim team corruption in infolynch. Doesn't like Fura not backing up vote on Straw.	Misinterpretation of Rae's experience means unlikely to have teammates. Defence of Straw, but rational	Moderate village
248	D1	248	Silberfarben	Complains about not being able to keep up with thread	N/A	NAI
249	D1	249	Archivist	Says voted on God King because more suspicious than Sart.	Fair reasoning	Mild village
250	D1	250	DeTess	Suspicious of Sart for moving post to player they think is villager. Doesn't think these lists clears Orlok. More supicious of Fura.	Don't think elim!Sart would admit to doing so. Absolute right re Orlok.	Mild village
251	D1	251	BR	Votes for Karnage to avoid tie	Why? Ask BR.	Mild evil	Karnage
252	D2	1	DeTess	Asks Karnage why they didn't claim Gambler. Thinks kill on Araris odd. Thinks to do with Sart. Votes on Sart.	Still disagree with logic behind Sart vote.	Mild village	Sart
253	D2	2	Archivist	Says Karnage either Tycoon or Flogs. If flogs can't let him die. Suggests Wilson coordinate bodyguard defence	Village gut - plan too convoluted and rushed into. Flipside is assumes Wilson village. How does he know?	Unsure
254	D2	3	DeTess	Doesn't think sensible to trust gossip go between unless alignment clearer. Thinks Wilson may be elim	Disagree re Wilson, agree with principle	NAI
255	D2	4	Archivist	Forgot people could lie about roles	Strong gut village here. Feels genuine	Strong village
256	D2	5	Orlok	Confirms Wilson as gossip	Am I not a generous god?	Village
257	D2	6	Silberfarben	RP	Needs to actually put thoughts together. Why isn't he?	NAI
258	D2	7	Straw	Compares vote tally in writeup with expected tally	Very helpful	NAI
259	D2	8	wilson	wont help karnage stay alive as thinks he might be evil. highly doubts karnage is flogs.sad araris is dead.	gut genuine wilson read on this.	mild village
260	D2	9	Silberfarben	Nonsense reply to Wilson	N/A	NAI
261	D2	10	Straw	Finds it odd Karnage didn't roleclaim at end of cycle. Votes on Karnage	Fair enough	NAI	Karnage
262	D2	11	Karnage	Thought roleclaiming might make people try to kill him. Wasn't sure he was allowed to do so. Asks whether he can role claim.	Gut village	Mild village
263	D2	12	Elkanah	Tells Karnage he can roleclaim, says they often claim different things through a game	Unhelpful playstyle. Keep eye on this	NAI
264	D2	13	Matrim	Says never understood Karnage lynch, doesn't think we should lynch him now. Worried about off chance he is flogs.	In PMs with Karnage?	Mild village
265	D2	14	Shard of Reading	Justifies vote on God King as God King not answering questions	Review God King's activity to check this	Unsure - review later
266	D2	15	Matrim	Corrects Shard of Reading's rule misunderstanding	N/A	NAI
267	D2	16	Straw	Corrects Shard of Reading's rule misunderstanding	N/A	NAI
268	D2	17	Shard of Reading	Apologises for misunderstanding	N/A	NAI
269	D2	18	Elkanah	Says someone didn't check in, so not necessarily three escorts, but wouldn't be unreasonable if this were the case.	Sensible enough	NAI
270	D2	19	Matrim	Wants responses to post on Karnage	N/A	NAI
271	D2	20	Elkanah	Agrees with Matrim's views on Karnage.	None	Very mild village
272	D2	21	Straw	Gives activity count for last cycle. Asks less actove players to be more active.	Helpful, entirely NAI	NAI
273	D2	22	wilson	reiterates gossip claim	can confirm wilson is a gossip	nai
274	D2	23	Elkanah	Says they find Straw's activity count useful	Why?	NAI
275	D2	24	Experience	Apologises to God King for not retracting vote	Why feel a need to apologise? Ask about this.	Mild evil read
276	D2	25	Kynedath	Asks why Sart and Araris linked. Moderate trust of Karnage. Moderate trust of Straw as doesn't think eliminators would remove votes from him.	Mild village from trust of Karnage. Ignores that non-elims may trust and protect Straw.	Unsure
277	D2	26	DeTess	Explains Sart and Araris link as Araris defending Sart. Votes on Fura and asks why they targeted Araris last cycle	Found perpetrator of elim kill?	Strong village read	Fura
278	D2	27	Devotary	Suggests renowned scan Karnage to check role as Flogs appears as bodyguard not tycoon. Says pool of people who could move Rae's vote down to 8	Unsure. How would they relay this to thread without revealing he was Flogs? Bleeder?	Possible Bleeder candidate
279	D2	28	Kynedath	Asks Devotary for terminology clarification	N/A	NAI
280	D2	29	Devotary	Clarifies terminology for Kynedath	N/A	NAI
281	D2	30	Straw	Votes on Fura as assumes DeTess telling the truth re Fura targeting Araris	Bussing?	Unsure
282	D2	31	Karnage	Claims as Flogs. Scanned Straw as evil. Votes on Straw	Very useful. Believe claim.	Village	Straw
283	D2	32	Shard of Reading	Says you can't screenshot PMs	N/A	NAI
284	D2	33	Pyro	Votes on Karnage to confirm claim	Why not vote on Straw? Black as sin.	EVIL	Karnage
285	D2	34	wilson	thinks karnage shouldnt have claimed as probably only one bodyguard. says she thought straw was off. votes on straw.	joe is indeed a troll	moderate village	straw
286	D2	35	Arraenae	Picks up Pyro defending Straw by voting on Pyro. Votes on Pyro. Thinks Pyro and Straw on same team	Strong village read. In complete agreement.	Strong village	Pyro
287	D2	36	Emi	Trusts Karnage about Straw. Votes on Straw	N/A	NAI	Straw	Karnage
288	D2	37	Pyro	Tries and fails to justify lynch of Karnage	Is clearly evil. I said this last cycle and no one listened to me.	EVIL
289	D2	38	wilson	says pyro looks evil. would vote on him if not killing straw	he does look evil. so evil this is nai	nai
290	D2	39	Karnage	Doesn't understand why Pyro so against him. Will scan Pyro this turn.	We should have Pyro coinshot, not scanned. Waste of a scan. Scan associated players instead - e.g. BR, Shard, or Fura to confirm DeTess' observation	Village
291	D2	40	Pyro	Says Wilson makes sense. Retracts Karnage votes on Straw	Trying to save himself	EVIL	Straw	Karnage
292	D2	41	Striker	Agrees with Pyro. Votes on Karnage	Strong disagreement on this. Don't think elim team would agree here, but possible.	Unsure	Karnage
293	D2	42	wilson	says lynch of karnage a bad idea	it is	nai
294	D2	43	Emi	Says they agree with Wilson	So does everyone sensible	NAI
295	D2	44	Striker	Doesn't understand why it is a terrible idea.	Really?	Unsure
296	D2	45	Straw	Says not a constable, Karnage lying. Gives possible options. Retratcs Fura, votes Karnage	Is trying to save himself. Sorry, Straw. It has been a pleasure.	EVIL	Karnage	Fura
297	D2	46	Matrim	Doesn't want to decide whether Karnage or Straw is lying.	Why not?	Unsure
298	D2	47	Archivist	Finds Straw's defence unlikely	Village read	Moderate village
299	D2	48	Pyro	Something about extortion	N/A	NAI
300	D2	49	Straw	Says Archivist needs to read rules re extortion	N/A	NAI
301	D2	50	Archivist	Says they missed rule	N/A	NAI
302	D2	51	wilson	says you should never bet on role distribution strategies when gm a troll. says strikers plan is really bad.	it is, and joe is a troll as bad as aonar.	moderate village
303	D2	52	Karnage	Asks if there is a way to orchestrate protection.	None	Village
304	D2	53	Striker	Still trying to find out whether Karnage is Flogs.	Increasingly suspicious.	Moderate to strong evil
305	D2	54	wilson	says not complete trust of karnage - might be bleeder	fair enough. i believe him.	mild village
306	D2	55	HH	Going to ignore Karnage's claim.	Why? Informs a whole set of reads.	Unsure.
307	D2	56	Striker	Moves vote onto Straw from Karnage, agreeing with Wilson. Again asks Fura why they targeted Araris.	Finally.... Gut village read from bringing Fura back up.	Moderate village	Straw	Karnage
308	D2	57	Orlok	Votes on Straw. Says believes BR and Shard Evil if Straw evil. Convinced on Pyro.	If any vigilante wants to target someone on this list I would be much obliged. Will pay in RP if I feel like it. Hi Straw!	VIllage	Straw
309	D2	58	Matrim	Trusts Karnage, votes on Straw	Sensible enough	Village	Straw
310	D2	59	wilson	says pmd after tess made claim about fura saying elkanah targeted araris. thinks pmer is evil. thinks being played.	probably right. should reveal their identity.	moderate village
311	D2	60	Archivist	Thinks Straw could be being bussed.	Elims will almost certainly jump on this, yes.	NAI
312	D2	61	Striker	Says bussing depends on elim team. Doesn't think it likely that Karnage bussing Straw.	Agree	NAI
313	D2	62	Xino	Thinks Karnage village, as risking life. Votes Straw.	Agree	NAI	Straw
314	D2	63	Striker	Says Aman might bus a teammate like this. We should keep it in mind.	Karnage is clearly not Aman. Unnecessary worrying.	Mild evil
315	D2	64	Devotary	Doesn't think Karnage bussing Straw. Votes on Straw	Agree	NAI	Straw
316	D2	65	Matrim	Says if Karnage pulling stunt we lynch him C3	Obviously	NAI
317	D2	66	Karnage	Asks whether people think elims jumping on Straw lynch	They obviously will at some point. Meaningless question	NAI
318	D2	67	Matrim	Says Pyro and Striker on suspects and voting on Straw	Sensible	Mild village
319	D2	68	Striker	Says almost certainly elims on Straw lynch	N/A	NAI
320	D2	69	Arraenae	Does scenario analysis of Karnage/Straw alignment permutaitons. Useless, as Straw clearly evil.	Rae, let me know if you see this message	NAI
321	D2	70	Matrim	Asks Rae if she is leaving her vote on Pyro	Moot point whether she is or not. Both Pyro and Straw are evil, and Straw is going to be lynched.	NAI
322	D2	71	Arraenae	Says we have many hours left. Doesn't need to vote on Straw right now	N/A	NAI
323	D2	72	Shard of Reading	Sees no scenario in which Straw isn't evil. Votes on Straw	NAI at this point. Question why they defended Straw yesterday.	NAI	Straw
324	D2	73	Fura	Jokes about not replying to DeTess. Says Straw sounds like failing elim. Votes on Pyro as wants bartender to kill Straw.	Admission of guilt?	EVIL	Pyro
325	D2	74	Pyro	Says Fura spelt his name wrong	N/A	NAI
326	D2	75	Fura	Corrects spelling	N/A	NAI
327	D2	76	Straw	Asks Orlok where his prize is	Your prize is me saying your teammates include Pyro, Fura, Shard and BR. Happy? Actual prize coming when I think of something. I'm already giving you my 'medal of honour'...	EVIL
328	D2	77	Experience	Says post is coming.	N/A	NAI

Summary for those who can't be bothered to read it (there are easter eggs in there. Please read it. it took hours).

Straw, Pyro, Fura pretty clearly evil. Think BR and Shard of Reading also likely evil as a result. It would be nice if scanners and vigilantes hit these people today, if they feel kind.

Whole set of village reads in my analysis - read it! I'll summarise better when it isn't 2:30am and when I do the posts by player.

Edited May 28, 2020 by Orlok Tsubodai
Softening language

[Straw]

1 minute ago, Orlok Tsubodai said:

Who am I kidding. No one reads these posts. Remember to give Straw his prize at some point.

Thanks!

I guess I'm your one reader.

[Mat]

19 minutes ago, BrightnessRadiant said:

This looks like hedging

Multiple people have said this about my post earlier. What is it? 

19 minutes ago, BrightnessRadiant said:

This sounds like an elim trying to find a way to join the Straw lynch and make themselves look more innocent by saying they had the idea already.

Well, I did have the idea already. I read Karnage's claim post and then left to practice the piano- since I wasn't sure who/when to vote- and thought about it. Then I came back and there were a bunch of Straw votes already so it was kind of redundant. Of course, if you thought I was elim then this probably won't convince you otherwise.

Edited May 28, 2020 by Matrim's_Dice

[Karnage]

12 minutes ago, BrightnessRadiant said:

If Straw flips elim here I'd like to go after Pyro next cycle but Striker and Matrim are close behind. 

I am thinking the same thing except instead of Matrim I'm leaning more Emi because I feel like they are being heavily influenced by other elims (possibly Styker), such as the bandwagon vote only using the same "weird logic" that I saw from Stryker. They literally just quoted Stryker and put their vote on me last round. 

You know what, I was thinking that I would scan Pyro this hour but since most of the thread is already leaning Pyro for next lynch (unless somehow I messed up or I was lied to by the gm in terms of the Straw scan). I was thinking that I might scan Emi/ or Stryker. 

Yah what is hedging?

Also if there are any village (or possibly elim) bartenders do if one of y'all wants to focus on Pyro then that would be great. I am leaning Bleeder for them with elim being a close second. 

[Devotary of Spontaneity]

@Orlok Tsubodai, a Renowned would only relay a scan of Karnage if it came up as Bleeder(Bartender to a scan, I presume a role scan would get all roles so a bartender/gambling tycoon would show up as both). Bleeder already knows whether or not Karnage is Bleeder, so she doesn't learn any new information. If the result is bodyguard or tycoon, the renowned would not share that information.

Edit: I suppose both a village/elim or a Bleeder, though not Flogs, could show up as bartender/tycoon, which could complicate things. I'm less sure what the best move in that scenario would be.

Edited May 28, 2020 by Devotary of Spontaneity

[Mat]

22 minutes ago, Orlok Tsubodai said:

Straw, Pyro, Fura pretty clearly evil.

Emphasis mine.

In case anyone finds this interesting, Fura was the original Karnage vote last cycle.

[Straw]

13 minutes ago, Orlok Tsubodai said:

Wins a prize.

I did.

14 minutes ago, Orlok Tsubodai said:

I don't actually believe anyoen except Straw is reading these posts. He can have a second prize if he tells me the names of his teammates.

At least you have me.

I don't know my team. I'm playing the game blind. 

16 minutes ago, Orlok Tsubodai said:

Straw wins my inaugural 'medal of honour' award. They've said so much of what I wanted to say, and it is such a shame they are evil.

First of all, you made a slight grammar mistake: it's "medal of honor", not "medal of honour". Might be a typo, a mistake, or an elim slip. All possibilities.

On other sites, I believe this is called a "villagery mindmeld".

Also, if I'm evil, and we agree, then maybe you're evil! Might want to go recheck your GM PM, buddy.

19 minutes ago, Orlok Tsubodai said:

Am I not a generous god?

Pretty stupid to say that considering that someone with the description "A rogue Kandra with aspirations of Deicide." is in the game!

22 minutes ago, Orlok Tsubodai said:

Is trying to save himself. Sorry, Straw. It has been a pleasure.

Thx m8.

22 minutes ago, Orlok Tsubodai said:

If any vigilante wants to target someone on this list I would be much obliged. Will pay in RP if I feel like it. Hi Straw!

Hello to you as well.

23 minutes ago, Orlok Tsubodai said:

Your prize is me saying your teammates include Pyro, Fura, Shard and BR. Happy? Actual prize coming when I think of something. I'm already giving you my 'medal of honour'...

I'll be waiting.

[Shard of Reading]

22 minutes ago, Orlok Tsubodai said:

Sees no scenario in which Straw isn't evil. Votes on Straw NAI at this point. Question why they defended Straw yesterday.

In my defense I was used to playing IRL mafia and because of that I was used to not being able to find the elim and if you do lynch people it is just a blind stab so, I was not prepared for how much you would be able to read into posts, so I did not think you would be able to find so much evidence to be able (Potentially) lynch characters accurately.

[Guest Coda]

So, a lot has happened since I've been on. Karnage has claimed Flogs, and I'm inclined to believe that he is speaking true. Given that belief, I see no reason why Karnage would lie about Straw being an elim. My ironclad faith in Straw and great analysis has been shaken greatly, though after some rereading of Orlok's spectacular post-by-post analysis, I can see where I was willfully blinded by activity and analysis. 

As such, I hereby vote Straw. I am well aware that this is a complete heel-face turn from my former opinion, but alas, the evidence against you is too great. Farewell. I shall miss your wordsmithing, but if ye be a conner, I shan't regret your demise

Sidenote: Orlok, your analysis is breathtaking in both quantity and quality. I do hope I see you in more games in the future.

[little wilson]

30 minutes ago, Orlok Tsubodai said:

probably right. should reveal their identity.

pyyyyyyyyyyrrrrrrrrroooooooo he be so sus - he sent it about the time he voted on karnage.

[The_God_King]

Somehow I missed all the fun of the game being partially cracked! I don't really have any information that could help prove or disprove a lynch on Straw. Sorry been reading all day at work and finally sat down to write this. Straw

[Orlok Tsubodai]

7 minutes ago, little wilson said:

pyyyyyyyyyyrrrrrrrrroooooooo he be so sus - he sent it about the time he voted on karnage.

a shame, really, that it wasnt someone we didnt already know was evil. alas.

[BrightnessRadiant]

28 minutes ago, Matrim's_Dice said:

Multiple people have said this about my post earlier. What is it? 

Well, I did have the idea already. I read Karnage's claim post and then left to practice the piano- since I wasn't sure who/when to vote- and thought about it. Then I came back and there were a bunch of Straw votes already so it was kind of redundant. Of course, if you thought I was elim then this probably won't convince you otherwise.

Hedging is where you cast suspicion on someone but don't actually try to get them killed (because they might be an elim teammate)

And while I still think this could be true I appreciate your answer. I'm always open to changing my mind on people because if I don't I tunnel hard on them.

23 minutes ago, Karnage said:

Yah what is hedging?

 

[little wilson]

2 minutes ago, Orlok Tsubodai said:

a shame, really, that it wasnt someone we didnt already know was evil. alas.

quite tho this be a good explanation for why he was like "i dont think im gonna post cuz im i always die early when im active!" reminds me a bit of that time jain was like "oh darn i got village again!" after he hadnt been doing that for a few games and he was overcompensating for having finally rolled evil. i hadnt read a whooole lot into that last turn but hey now i see what you meant bout the interaction between fura and pyro so i guess thas good? 

[The_God_King]

49 minutes ago, Orlok Tsubodai said:

Justifies vote on God King as God King not answering questions Review God King's activity to check this Unsure - review later

I'm wondering what your continued analysis on that whole exchange is. I'm a bit lost as well

[Arrae]

26 minutes ago, Straw said:

I did.

At least you have me.

I don't know my team. I'm playing the game blind. 

First of all, you made a slight grammar mistake: it's "medal of honor", not "medal of honour". Might be a typo, a mistake, or an elim slip. All possibilities.

On other sites, I believe this is called a "villagery mindmeld".

Also, if I'm evil, and we agree, then maybe you're evil! Might want to go recheck your GM PM, buddy.

Pretty stupid to say that considering that someone with the description "A rogue Kandra with aspirations of Deicide." is in the game!

Thx m8.

Hello to you as well.

I'll be waiting.

Okay, Straw's pretty much given up on convincing people he's village and is trolling now. I had such high hopes  I really wanted to see a talkative, analytical Straw.

@Orlok Tsubodai, whose scenario permutations are you calling useless? At the time I made it, Pyro and Striker were voting on Karnage and I thought everyone else might follow!

[BrightnessRadiant]

49 minutes ago, Orlok Tsubodai said:

BR Votes for Karnage to avoid tie Why? Ask BR.

Gonna ask me?:P I'm reading your posts too by the way. It's the massive analysis I wish I could do but this game is starting to overwhelm me.

I voted Karnage because I didn't want a tied lynch? it was 6 to 5 with Karnage and Sart and I also thought at the time that there was another runner up but I was wrong. I didn't want a 3 way tie with vote manip roles in the mix. I could see it being an easy way to knock out 3 people on cycle 1 if we let it be that close so I just was trying to make 1 player be lynched instead of more. I only had a little time yesterday to read everything and make a vote and I really don't like not voting. 

[The Young Pyromancer]

I read your posts Orlok. You can tell by how I stopped spelling your name wrong.

Right, you guessed me. Good job. I'm an elim.

The post at the beginning of the game, ironically, was something I had decided upon before I joined. 

Also, I didn't lie to Wilson. I was telling the truth, as we think there's a decent chance Arais was doubletapped. When I die and flip Stalker, maybe you'll believe me.

EDIT: Flame On!

Edited May 28, 2020 by The Young Pyromancer

[Elkanah]

I just caught up except for Orlock's post. I wasn't going to read it... but since you asked, here I go.

[The_God_King]

13 minutes ago, The Young Pyromancer said:

I read your posts Orlok. You can tell by how I stopped spelling your name wrong.

Right, you guessed me. Good job. I'm an elim.

The post at the beginning of the game, ironically, was something I had decided upon before I joined. 

Also, I didn't lie to Wilson. I was telling the truth, as we think there's a decent chance Arais was doubletapped. When I die and flip Stalker, maybe you'll believe me.

EDIT: Flame On!

Wow that's quite the revelation! Good job team.

 

The only reason I can see him coming out is to protect Straw. Straw probably has an ability that even for one more turn may be potent enough to be worth saving. An interesting gambit to say the least but plausible. The problem is that I am not familiar enough with any of the roles to decide which one would be worth protecting. Anyone have an idea?

Edited May 28, 2020 by The_God_King

[The Young Pyromancer]

4 minutes ago, The_God_King said:

The problem is that I am not familiar enough with any of the roles to decide which one would be worth protecting. Anyone have an idea?

Best role in the game is Bleeder/Flogs

Maybe I'm a gambling tycoon, and am trying to get you to vote for me because I'll survive the lynch.