Mid-Range Game 42: The Auction of Lord Winsting

[DeTess]

@The ArchivistI don't think its a good idea to use anyone who claims gossip as a go-between until their alignment is more solidly known. I'm not so much worried about little wilson (or anyone else claiming gossip for this plan) being bleeder, but about her being an elim. Bleeder can't really do anything about the bodyguards revealed to her without risking being revealed herself. The elims likely have far more options, however.

Edited May 27, 2020 by DeTess

[The_Archivist]

I don't agree about the elims, but that's irrelevant. I somehow managed to forget that people can lie about being a bodyguard, including Bleeder, so my plan is useless.

[Orlok Tsubodai]

I'll engage with the idea and with the end of last cycle and the result when I've had another coffee, but to aid your conversation can confirm that Wilson is, indeed, a gossip. 

[Coffeecat]

Great, thought Lord, already recomposed from his earlier breakdown, Now they are waving his body around.

He averted his eyes from the hideous spectacle, Nahr’s traitorous blood spilling along the stones, making short lived paths through the flowing mists.

How he would like to be among them, but in this, Flogs was right; they could not leave while the constables lived.

But…

How…

Who had killed Nahr, his fellow constables? Perhaps he had died in the crossfire, but from the way things looked, he had been only the seconds killed.

Faceless immortals.

He would thank them.

And then kill them.

 

“Julius, to me.”

“Now, you are my last defense.”

“you can not allow me to be harmed.”

@Dot

Edited May 27, 2020 by Lord_Silberfarben
Hm, i realized Lord could not possibly know Bleeder's name

[Straw]

Well, I'm certainly glad I didn't get infolynched! Looking at the writeup, there seem to have been some alterations in the votes:

Fura (1): Straw
God King (3): Archivist, Experience, Reading
Karnage (7): Araris, Emi, Fura, Pyromancer, Sart, Striker, Brightness
Matrim (1): Hemalurgic
Pyromancer (1): God King
Sart (5): Arraenae, Karnage, Matrim, Xino, DeTess
Straw(2): Orlok, wilson

Fura (1): Straw
God King (3): Archivist, Experience, Reading
Karnage (6): Araris, Brightness, Emi, Fura, Pyromancer, Sart, Striker
Matrim (1): Hemalurgic
Pyromancer (1): God King
Sart (4): DeTess, Karnage, Matrim, Xino
Straw(1): Arraenae, Orlok, wilson 

Looking at this, we can see that a vote on Karnage was cancelled, Arraenae was moved to me, and two votes on me were cancelled. The lynch wasn't particularly close, so this doesn't say much in my opinion.

Edited May 27, 2020 by Straw

[little wilson]

3 hours ago, The_Archivist said:

If a bodyguard trusts @little wilson enough to believe her claim that she is a gossip, he can PM her, saying he is a bodyguard. If more than one bodyguard does that, and she really is a gossip, she can send them a PM, telling them which one will protect this cycle, and who the next one. If only one does she can warn three people she thinks might be bodyguards, and tell them someone else is already protecting him.

yeah no. aint no way imma helpin someone who could be evil stay alive.

if you recall I dont gots the best feeling about karnage and while his survival here doesnt really make that worse it certainly dont make it better.

gambling tycoon can be either good or evil and until there be a scan on karnage im not coordinating or advocating coordinating through anyone else for protection of karnage.

highly doubt hes flogs. js

also why am i awake right now. i want to sleep. but my sleep is the restless sleep of the....... something that has restless sleep. brain is not awaaaaake yet ugh.

why is araris dead. this saddens me. it saddens me even more to see he was a gossip cuz id thought about pming him since he hates pms just to see if hed respond and he couldve. many times! well not many but 4 which is many for this game. sigh. why didnt i do that. :((((

[Coffeecat]

4 minutes ago, little wilson said:

also why am i awake right now. i want to sleep. but my sleep is the restless sleep of the....... something that has restless sleep. brain is not awaaaaake yet ugh.

Sleepless Aimians?

Uh, let me sleep.

[Straw]

I find it very odd that Karnage didn't roleclaim at the end of the cycle. @Karnage any explanation for this? You must have seen that you were the most likely lynch candidate.

I'll put my vote on Karnage until he explains.

[Karnage]

Okay, I didn't want to role claim because I thought people would just double down and try to kill me ( I mean I though about it but I didn't know if I was allowed to do so). It was very late last night and I also didn't really think about it. Yeah I did see that I was the most likely lynch candidate. 

-Also so just to make it clear- I can role claim? 

I apologies to Araris, out of what I had it seemed like you were being inconsistent, but after our conversation I now know that we just have differing opinions. 

Edited May 27, 2020 by Karnage

[Elkanah]

You can claim anything you like. I frequently claim several things in the course of a game. For that reason, even if you said you were what you are ( it's early and I can't remember the name. )P People might have lynched you anyway just to check.

 

Edit. It looks like I actually did vote to disperse. Huh. Does that mean we cannot retract those either? Or would it be retracted if I had voted on someone else?

Edited May 27, 2020 by Elkanah

[Mat]

I never understood the Karnage lynch, and this even further convinces me we shouldn't lynch him again.

Sure, if he's a tycoon, then he dies next cycle. Whoopie doo, an ordinary lynch, whether he be elim or village it gives us something. That doesn't seem that bad.

If he was protected by a bodyguard, then it's the same thing. Either way some information is gained.

But on the off-chance that he is Flogs, not protected by anyone, lynching him would be a very bad idea. Think about it: If Karnage is Flogs, and he was lynched this cycle, he would survive, again, and that would tell Bleeder exactly where Flogs is. I don't think this possibility is worth the risk of loosing Flogs this early in the game. It would, in my opinion, be much better to leave Karnage alone for now. Maybe even go as far as protecting him, for any village bodyguards out there... anything to prevent his death at this point I think would be good. Assuming he is Flogs, which I think we should do, however unlikely, seems like by far the safest option here. Thoughts?

Edit: I also thought it was interesting there are only 26 players awake. With Araris dead, that means 3 players fell asleep. Meaning there are a minimum of 2 escorts, because @Hammond42 didn't post.

Edited May 27, 2020 by Matrim's_Dice

[Shard of Reading]

So people have asked me what I meant when I said that the god king was stalling. What was going through my head is that he wasn't answering the questions (Or when he did the answers I found to be unsatisfactory) He was trying to put off answering which seemed to me like something an elim would do.

Edit: @Matrim's_Dice As I understand it flog's can't survive lynchings. They can survive attacks from the elims and bleeder (And whoever else can kill people) but they can't survive lynchings.

Edited May 27, 2020 by Shard of Reading
Adding information to avoid double posting.

[Mat]

35 minutes ago, Shard of Reading said:

Edit: @Matrim's_Dice As I understand it flog's can't survive lynchings. They can survive attacks from the elims and bleeder (And whoever else can kill people) but they can't survive lynchings.

Nope, you have it backwards. Check the rules again, Flogs cannot be lynched but can be attacked.

[Straw]

37 minutes ago, Shard of Reading said:

So people have asked me what I meant when I said that the god king was stalling. What was going through my head is that he wasn't answering the questions (Or when he did the answers I found to be unsatisfactory) He was trying to put off answering which seemed to me like something an elim would do.

Edit: @Matrim's_Dice As I understand it flog's can't survive lynchings. They can survive attacks from the elims and bleeder (And whoever else can kill people) but they can't survive lynchings.

Per the rules:

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Flogs: Flogs is the best bodyguard a man could ask for, and completely loyal to Lord Winsting.

Each cycle, Flogs can target a person, and figure out if they are a Constable or not. If he scans Bleeder, he is told she is not a Constable. This role cannot be lynched.

[Shard of Reading]

Opps. I was wrong. Sorry.

[Elkanah]

39 minutes ago, Matrim's_Dice said:

Edit: I also thought it was interesting there are only 26 players awake. With Araris dead, that means 3 players fell asleep. Meaning there are a minimum of 3 escorts. 

I'm willing to go back and check when I get off work, but I thought there might have been at least one person who never checked in, and would be asleep. That said I'm not sure there escorts in a game with thirty people wouldn't be unreasonable.

[Mat]

5 minutes ago, Elkanah said:

I'm willing to go back and check when I get off work, but I thought there might have been at least one person who never checked in, and would be asleep. That said I'm not sure there escorts in a game with thirty people wouldn't be unreasonable.

Yes, I realized this and edited my post, Hammond didn't talk last cycle

I am still interested in responses to my first post today, multiple people have posted since then, so I'll spoiler it here:

Spoiler

48 minutes ago, Matrim's_Dice said:

I never understood the Karnage lynch, and this even further convinces me we shouldn't lynch him again.

Sure, if he's a tycoon, then he dies next cycle. Whoopie doo, an ordinary lynch, whether he be elim or village it gives us something. That doesn't seem that bad.

If he was protected by a bodyguard, then it's the same thing. Either way some information is gained.

But on the off-chance that he is Flogs, not protected by anyone, lynching him would be a very bad idea. Think about it: If Karnage is Flogs, and he was lynched this cycle, he would survive, again, and that would tell Bleeder exactly where Flogs is. I don't think this possibility is worth the risk of loosing Flogs this early in the game. It would, in my opinion, be much better to leave Karnage alone for now. Maybe even go as far as protecting him, for any village bodyguards out there... anything to prevent his death at this point I think would be good. Assuming he is Flogs, which I think we should do, however unlikely, seems like by far the safest option here. Thoughts?

 

 

[Elkanah]

 

7 minutes ago, Matrim's_Dice said:

Yes, I realized this and edited my post, Hammond didn't talk last cycle

I am still interested in responses to my first post today, multiple people have posted since then, so I'll spoiler it here:

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I more or less agreed, but I wasn't trying to lynch him anyway. So I'm not the one you need to convince. I'll spend some time tonight drawing all the lines I can find. It'll be interesting to see where they cross over. I'm also interested to see how many kills there will be tonight. It wouldn't be unreasonable to see four kills on even cycles so that should be interesting.

[Straw]

In case anyone finds it useful, here's the activity count for last cycle:

A Joe in the Bush: 12
Araris Valerian: 6
Arraenae: 3
BrightnessRadiant: 8
Bugsy: 1
Coda: 2
DeTess: 7
Devotary of Spontaneity: 1
Dot: 1
Elkanah: 10
Emi: 19
Experience: 1
Furamirionind: 12
Hemalurgic Headshot: 2
Karnage: 11
Kynedath: 10
Lord_Silberfarben: 5
Matrim's_Dice: 31
Mist: 4
Orlok Tsubodai: 9
Sart: 2
Shard of Reading: 10
Straw: 34
StrikerEZ: 8
The Young Pyromancer: 28
The_Archivist: 3
The_God_King: 12
Zillah: 2
little wilson: 7
xinoehp512: 3

Looking at this, it'd be nice to hear from all the people who were inactive or only posted once: @Bugsy @Devotary of Spontaneity @Dot @Experience @Hammond42.

[little wilson]

1 hour ago, Karnage said:

Also so just to make it clear- I can role claim? 

i should hope people can roleclaim cuz if they cant that certainly makes my gossip claim awwwwwkkwwwwaaaaard.

[Elkanah]

Spoiler

4 minutes ago, Straw said:

In case anyone finds it useful, here's the activity count for last cycle:

A Joe in the Bush: 12
Araris Valerian: 6
Arraenae: 3
BrightnessRadiant: 8
Bugsy: 1
Coda: 2
DeTess: 7
Devotary of Spontaneity: 1
Dot: 1
Elkanah: 10
Emi: 19
Experience: 1
Furamirionind: 12
Hemalurgic Headshot: 2
Karnage: 11
Kynedath: 10
Lord_Silberfarben: 5
Matrim's_Dice: 31
Mist: 4
Orlok Tsubodai: 9
Sart: 2
Shard of Reading: 10
Straw: 34
StrikerEZ: 8
The Young Pyromancer: 28
The_Archivist: 3
The_God_King: 12
Zillah: 2
little wilson: 7
xinoehp512: 3

Looking at this, it'd be nice to hear from all the people who were inactive or only posted once: @Bugsy @Devotary of Spontaneity @Dot @Experience @Hammond42.

 

I really do. Thank you so much!

[Experience]

Sorry TGK for not retracting my vote from you yesterday. My computer wasn't working at all, cutting my access to the Shard. I need to go and read through the 6 pages of last cycle that I missed, so...ya. I'll be back in a little to try and give my thoughts.

[Kynedath]

6 hours ago, DeTess said:

The only good elim motive for an Araris kill I can see is if they wanted the village to think things about Sart. The obvious play would be that they where trying to make Sart look good, but that might be obvious enough that they'd instead want us to think the opposite, so its mostly just a deep IKYK.

Why were Sart and Araris linked again? Did they defend each other?

Currently I have moderate trust of Karnage, I don't feel that the elims would have let them get such a lead on everyone else, even if they were a gambling tycoon. I also have a moderate trust of Straw since they had two votes removed from them. I don't feel like the eliminators would do that, it would have been an inefficient use of their actions.

I know it isn't too solid, there are definitely holes in my logic, but that's all I can muster this early in the morning. I'll be back later on to hopefully have something more substantial.

[DeTess]

14 minutes ago, Kynedath said:

Why were Sart and Araris linked again? Did they defend each other?

Araris defended Sart a bit when Sart got voted on.

Also, my apologies if the one that PM'd me about this expected me to be more subtle, but: @Furamirionind, could you explain why you targeted Araris last cycle? ( furamirionind )

[Devotary of Spontaneity]

Flogs would appear as a bodyguard instead of a gambling tycoon to a renowned, so it might be worth doing that before another lynch. Bleeder could also scan(or kill, which is probably more likely) Karnage though, so if he is Flogs he would need to be protected. Deciding to automatically kill Tycoon!Karnage would also tip Bleeder off as to Karnage's role, but it likely wouldn't matter at that point since Bleeder again does have ways of gathering information by herself.

4 hours ago, Straw said:

Looking at this, we can see that a vote on Karnage was cancelled, Arraenae was moved to me, and two votes on me were cancelled. The lynch wasn't particularly close, so this doesn't say much in my opinion.

The lynch was close at some point. Up until pretty close to the end of the cycle, especially activity wise rather than chronological, shifting Rae's vote to you from Sart could have been impactful even with the self-vote cancellation. It's always noteworthy when a vote shift happens, just because it's usually fairly easy to narrow down who the impersonator is. In this particular case, there's eight people it could have been,which is a lot but still a significant winnowing.