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Could a mistborn walk on walls?

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Basically what the title sounds like.

I was thinking that if you had walls made out of metal or had a sheet of metal behind them they could pull themselves too the wall. Then they need to get there feet under them and burn pewter so they don't break bones. I just wanted to know if there were any inconsistencies that I was missing that would make this infeasible.

Also, if this was possible would it be a way to cancel lashings? 

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Since Ironpulling doesn't do anything about gravity, any attempt to 'walk' on a wall at an unnatural angle would result in your body quickly contorting itself awkwardly in whatever direction 'down' is. A-Pewter might be able to help repair the damage you'd inevitably do to your muscles but you'd never be a fraction as effective as a Windrunner/Skybreaker who can literally change which direction is 'down' and thus comfortably walk at any angle they storming well please. Also, consider that the process of movement would not be nearly as easy as someone with Gravitation, because the whole way that you apply friction to a surface would be thrown out of joint. Walking 'down' a wall, gravity would be sending you face over heels while walking up, your spine would be trying to bend over backwards and neither of those is going to do good things for your ability to apply the kind of force to the surface of the wall that you need to actually walk. If anything you'd probably need to be crawling to apply the kind of friction needed to move effectively. Think Spiderman, without any of the grace.

2 hours ago, Shard of Reading said:

Also, if this was possible would it be a way to cancel lashings? 

It wouldn't cancel them, but if you have A-Iron/Steel and enough metal in the right places, you could counteract some of the effects of being Lashed. For example, Szeth's favorite trick of sending people flying could be countered if you could pull on a sufficiently anchored metal source below you (or less likely, push on one or several sources above you) so that you stay in position rather than get thrown into the sky. Moving around while your personal gravity was reversed would be all sorts of weird though. Indoors if you had the right anchors you could push/pull yourself 'up' back to what everyone else sees as the floor but you'd have to deal with the fact that the blood would all be rushing to your head if you wanted to right yourself so you're aligned the same way as everyone else... and that would probably be a good idea because once the Lashing wears off, you're gonna fall back down and you don't want to land on your head when you do.

If you really wanted to cancel a Lashing though, burning aluminum would probably be your best bet. We know that in theory it can rid the spiritweb of all kinds of Investiture and Gravitation works by altering your Spiritual bond to the planet, so it might be susceptible to A-Aluminum cleansing.

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This sounds like it would work. It might be difficult, because Pulling on something doesn't cancel gravity. For instance, when a Lurcher pulls themself towards something on a roof, they curve upward as they go.

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I was thought of that, but I think if you were directly on the ceiling it could work because you are being pulled directly to the ground. But walls would be more difficult because you would have to have abs of steel.

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Yes. That would work better. It might be hard to deal with all of the blood flowing to your head.

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A smarter alternative would be to pull on a piece of metal wall above you and run up a wall.  Provided you stay oriented and keep moving this should work.  Like rappelling down or in this case up a cliff.

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2 hours ago, Weltall said:

Since Ironpulling doesn't do anything about gravity, any attempt to 'walk' on a wall at an unnatural angle would result in your body quickly contorting itself awkwardly in whatever direction 'down' is. A-Pewter might be able to help repair the damage you'd inevitably do to your muscles but you'd never be a fraction as effective as a Windrunner/Skybreaker who can literally change which direction is 'down' and thus comfortably walk at any angle they storming well please. Also, consider that the process of movement would not be nearly as easy as someone with Gravitation, because the whole way that you apply friction to a surface would be thrown out of joint. Walking 'down' a wall, gravity would be sending you face over heels while walking up, your spine would be trying to bend over backwards and neither of those is going to do good things for your ability to apply the kind of force to the surface of the wall that you need to actually walk. If anything you'd probably need to be crawling to apply the kind of friction needed to move effectively. Think Spiderman, without any of the grace.

It would be really difficult if not impossible to do it. 

It’s possible to Push on a specific part of metal so i dont see why you wouldn’t be able to also Pull on a specific part and walk up that metal wall. Though youd have to constantly adjust the point your Pulling on so you’re always pulling directly underneath you

someone who could both regulate the strength of their pull and location they pull on would have an easier time

Identity is the reason its so hard to do

 

now if you had a wall made up of tons of small metal sheets it would be easier because youd now have a ton a points to pull on instead of just one massive sheet thats trying to pull you towards its center

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If you pulled on a piece of metal above, pushed on one below and adjusted your push and pull every once in a while I think it would be possible to walk on the wall, but this would be hard, hard but not impossible

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You could put 2 pieces of metal behind you on the ground, thus pushing yourself up and towards the wall. and using the wall to hold steady, but I really dont see any practical application that his would have over using a third piece of metal to make a tripod like balance.

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I agree, it is possible to walk up a wall for a mistborn but very unpractical(JUST PULL YOURSELF UP!).

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If it was a solid vertical sheet of metal (that wasn't aluminum), a Mistborn or Lurcher could burn iron and Pull against any point on that sheet from their COG, right? So I would think it's possible to pull just enough to be clinging to the wall (pressed against it) along any point.

The trick would be in moving around, since Pulling comes from one's center of gravity. Imagine walking while balancing a cup of water on your head without spilling it. It'd be like that. You'd have to pull straight down through your body while standing straight, and also constantly shift your Pull target on the wall to be directly below you. If you leaned forward in any way, especially if you are an adult man whose COG is typically around the sternum and not the middle of your body, the Pulling from COG would make you want to fall over.

Long ago, I got a very interesting physical demonstration of what one's COG means in a HS gym class. The teacher had the mixed assembly of boys and girls kneel on both knees in the gym, on the hardwood, with hands clasped behind their backs. "Now lean forward until your forehead touches the ground... And then try to get up without using your hands or rolling to the side."

The girls could mostly do this without much problem, because their COG was around their waist. As this was in junior or senior year, most boys (except for one or two very scrawny ones) could not: their COGs were high enough that it was all but impossible due to insufficient leverage. And even the one or two very thin guys who could do so, only did so with very great difficulty.

Meanwhile, the most muscled and lean/fit guys of all, like the football players, had it the absolute worst. I still remember one of them in particular, a friend of mine named Sean - as soon as he was near to a 45 degree angle at the waist, THUNK, he head all but smacked into the ground where he was fixed as surely as if he were held by a wrestling pin hold. Pinned down by his own chest and shoulders!

So yeah. An Allomancer could easily and naturally "stand" in a stationary way on a vertical metal wall with an Ironpull; it's the walking on that vertical surface that would take a lot of care, and you certainly would not be able to spar with a Windrunner who'd Lashed "down" to be the wall and could now run, jump, and move about on that vertical surface as if it were flat.

A full Mistborn who could both Push and Pull on metal, well that'd be a different story, but then you're basically able to fly as long as there were a heavy enough metal anchor with a large surface to work off of, with nigh-infinite anchor points along it, with simultaneous Pushing and Pulling to different points.

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