Endrogue Posted May 21, 2020 Report Share Posted May 21, 2020 I always thought it was kind of ironic that the shards that killed Kaladin's friends would end up in the possession of one of his best friends. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Category5 Posted June 20, 2020 Report Share Posted June 20, 2020 On 5/11/2020 at 3:01 PM, Aminar said: That's fine. My point is entirely that until he swears a 2nd oath he could be any order. It seems silly to think all of Bridge 4 will attract Honor Spren, squires or no. Personally, as cool as Windrunners are, there's a lot of orders to explore and Rock joining a different Order gives him a potentially more interesting progression. Especially given how Bondsmith's do this whole leading/bringing people together without as much violence, but possibly with stew, thing. Being Bondsmith material is certainly rarer than Windrunner. And given some of the speculation in other threads about the Sibling being related to the Stones... Rock and the Stonespren. Too good. My hunch is that off screen he did swear the second oath to save Kaladin. I know common theory is stormlight doesn't necessarily grant strength increases, but maybe he did some adhesion gravitation trickery to make the bow lighter then it normally would be (even intuitively). And Also my crackpot theory was assuming he would get his novella as brandon mentioned. I think he is definitely windrunner material in the sense that he definitely is protecting his loved ones (bridge four + family), and it seems fitting he would speak some ideall relating to "even if I have to fight". Because windrunner ideals seem to be increasingly about a compromise needed in order to protect. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aminar Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 20 hours ago, Category5 said: My hunch is that off screen he did swear the second oath to save Kaladin. I know common theory is stormlight doesn't necessarily grant strength increases, but maybe he did some adhesion gravitation trickery to make the bow lighter then it normally would be (even intuitively). And Also my crackpot theory was assuming he would get his novella as brandon mentioned. I think he is definitely windrunner material in the sense that he definitely is protecting his loved ones (bridge four + family), and it seems fitting he would speak some ideall relating to "even if I have to fight". Because windrunner ideals seem to be increasingly about a compromise needed in order to protect. We haven't even seen him swear the first Oath yet. I can't see the Oath not being sworn at least partially on screen. Think about the way Teft was handled. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Category5 Posted June 27, 2020 Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 On 6/21/2020 at 9:07 AM, Aminar said: We haven't even seen him swear the first Oath yet. I can't see the Oath not being sworn at least partially on screen. Think about the way Teft was handled. Point taken. I suppose it could be the first oath. The on-screen stuff could be handled in the novella, in the prologue even. Idk we'll see lol. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchcry Posted June 27, 2020 Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 (edited) He could use windrunner surges for good without killing. Edit: as a squire, I meant. He won't bind himself to oaths requiring him to defend others. That would require fighting... Edited June 27, 2020 by Watchcry 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--- Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 On 6/21/2020 at 6:07 AM, Aminar said: We haven't even seen him swear the first Oath yet. I can't see the Oath not being sworn at least partially on screen. Think about the way Teft was handled. He swore the first oath in OB chapter 37? Do you mean the "I will protect those who can not protect themselves" ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 14 hours ago, Illwei said: He swore the first oath in OB chapter 37? Do you mean the "I will protect those who can not protect themselves" ? Even those I hate. Also why do people think that squires can just be any order? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel Inquisitive Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 11 minutes ago, Frustration said: Also why do people think that squires can just be any order? It mainly has to do with the below, but I doubt it was a common occurrence. Quote Storm Cellar Do squires always bond the spren of their Knight's order? Or can they attract a different type of spren? Also, was it normal for someone to serve their whole life as a squire? Brandon Sanderson They can attract a different spren. It was indeed normal, depending on the order and the person. #squires Sources: Storm Cellar report - Facebook 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--- Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 23 minutes ago, Frustration said: Even those I hate. That's the third Ideal. - Life before Death, Strength before Weakness, Journey before Destination - I will protect those who cannot protect themselves - I will protect those I hate Still a bit confused about why Lopen became a "full Windrunner" after only the second Ideal. I assume it has to do with him having a Spren already maybe? and there being an order of Windrunner unlike when Kaladin was becoming a knight? I also wonder if Lopen has his shardblade as we never see Teft swear the second oath so Idk if he got the whole frosty glyph thing like Lopen got after the second or like Kaladin got after the third. I kind of got sidetracked. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanderFan69 Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 I wouldn't say that Lopen is a full windrunner, it is just that he is now a windrunner rather than just a windrunner squire since he bonded his own spren. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration Posted June 29, 2020 Report Share Posted June 29, 2020 2 hours ago, Illwei said: That's the third Ideal. - Life before Death, Strength before Weakness, Journey before Destination - I will protect those who cannot protect themselves - I will protect those I hate And? That's the one that Teft made. 3 hours ago, Illwei said: Still a bit confused about why Lopen became a "full Windrunner" after only the second Ideal. I assume it has to do with him having a Spren already maybe? and there being an order of Windrunner unlike when Kaladin was becoming a knight? I also wonder if Lopen has his shardblade as we never see Teft swear the second oath so Idk if he got the whole frosty glyph thing like Lopen got after the second or like Kaladin got after the third. I kind of got sidetracked. I thought he did get to the third, I'll have to check next time I get my hands on Oathbringer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--- Posted June 29, 2020 Report Share Posted June 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, Frustration said: And? That's the one that Teft made. I thought he did get to the third, I'll have to check next time I get my hands on Oathbringer. I was responding to a post saying that Rock never swore the first Ideal, saying that he did and what he didn't say was the "I will protect those who cannot protect themselves" . you then responded saying "even those I hate", which I took for you correcting me saying that that was the second Ideal. Sorry if I misunderstood that? Teft swore that, as the Third Ideal giving him his shardblade which allowed them to get to Thaylen City, not as the Second Ideal. I assume he swore that off screen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration Posted June 29, 2020 Report Share Posted June 29, 2020 54 minutes ago, Illwei said: Teft swore that, as the Third Ideal giving him his shardblade which allowed them to get to Thaylen City, not as the Second Ideal. I assume he swore that off screen. I was thinking that Lopen was on three. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted June 29, 2020 Report Share Posted June 29, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Frustration said: I was thinking that Lopen was on three. He is not he just swore ideal two. I wonder what his ideal three is going to be. His Royal Majesty Lopen I of Alethkar is far too noble to ever hate anyone. Edited June 29, 2020 by Karger 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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