Theological interactions between Survivorism and Pathism

[Karger]

3 hours ago, Oltux72 said:

So Kelsier is kind of a prophet telling fundamental truths?

Kind of.  He was the guy who found inspiration and because of that achieved a degree of "enlightenment."

3 hours ago, Oltux72 said:

Right, so let's touch the dicey subject. What is Ruin in their theology?

Again they probably see him as a sapient force. 

[+robardin]

6 hours ago, Oltux72 said:

So Kelsier is kind of a prophet telling fundamental truths? ....What is Ruin in their theology?

Kelsier never proclaimed a "fundamental truth". He did not preach. Instead, he declared himself to be something even The Lord Ruler could not kill: "I am Hope." He exemplified.

He had been sent to the Pits of Hathsin, as so many skaa had been before him, to be brutally worked to death. But he alone SURVIVED the ordeal, and came out stronger.

When he defied The Lord Ruler to his face, he was killed. And yet, Kelsier SURVIVED. Even death!

He somehow, while beyond death, took up the Shard of Preservation, enabling it to SURVIVE being Splintered by the newly freed Ruin. I don't know how much of the events of Mistborn: Secret History are related in the Words of Founding - possibly none, since it's not something Harmony can see in the past as it wasn't done with the power of either Shard - but what he was shown as doing to attain that goal is still very impressive: He refused to succumb to Ruin's taunting him towards despair. He struck out into the CR, found the Ire, discovered the Connection Bomb thingy, and schnookered them out of it.

He later released the Shard so that Vin, his Heir, could fully take it up - which she needed to do to "bring destruction to the destroyer", and to save the world.

So venerating Kelsier, the Lord of Mists, is to remember his many sacrifices for the good of the world, and just as importantly or even more so, to embrace perseverance of action and hope, faith in one's abilities, and always to fight on and to reach for the future.

I don't know how much Spook, the Lord Mistborn, spoke of seeing or working with Ghost Kelsier - possibly only in his secret notebook - but if/when the Survivorists learn that he operated for years after the Catacendre in the Southern Hemsiphere as The Sovereign, there being responsible for their Surviving as well while Harmony sat back and watched events unfold, that would only further illustrate why they venerate the Survivor over Harmony.

What is Ruin in their theology? In the past tense, the defeated enemy of Scadrial's very existence, as he sought to destroy it and every living thing upon it. As such, he's invoked as a curse for invective (Rust and Ruin!). And in the present tense, an aspect or component of Harmony.