CameronUluvara Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 The description that Jasnah reads of Truthwatcher spren sounds-or looks?- like Timbre. Is this confirmed, that Venli is going to be a Truthwatcher? And how does Timbre keep a voidspren captive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 +Invocation Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 Venli's spren was a lightspren (or Reacher), which is the spren of the Willshapers. Truthwatcherspren look like light that's been reflected off a mirror, where Timbre is closer to a comet made of light. As to how Timbre keeps a voidspren captive...my guess is some form of suppression is happening within Venli's gemheart where Timbre functionally surrounds the Voidspren and only the barest bit of Connection to Venli remains, likely just enough to keep her in her Voidform. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 RShara Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 According to Brandon, historically, it hasn't happened before. Quote Questioner Can Parshendi bond with an honorspren? I mean, spren <inaudible> Brandon Sanderson They would have to choose, it's never happened before. On Roshar they would say it’s impossible. That doesn’t mean it actually is. Kraków signing (March 21, 2017) Quote Questioner (paraphrased) How about the other way around? Can a Parshendi bond a Knights Radiant spren? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Historically, the Parshendi were not made Knights Radiant, or the parshmen weren't. Questioner (paraphrased) Can they become squires maybe? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Historically they did not, but it's not impossible. Words of Radiance Houston signing (March 11, 2014) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Eternal Khol Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, CameronUluvara said: The description that Jasnah reads of Truthwatcher spren sounds-or looks?- like Timbre. Is this confirmed, that Venli is going to be a Truthwatcher? And how does Timbre keep a voidspren captive? I believe Timbre is a Lightspren Maybe Venli swearing the oath made Timbre strong enough to capture a voidspren? Im not sure how though Edited April 18, 2020 by Eternal Khol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Eternal Khol Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Invocation said: As to how Timbre keeps a voidspren captive...my guess is some form of suppression is happening within Venli's gemheart where Timbre functionally surrounds the Voidspren and only the barest bit of Connection to Venli remains, likely just enough to keep her in her Voidform. Why does it need to be captured anyway? As far as we know the spren can't leave the gemheart unless the singer willingly lets it(to change forms) Edited April 18, 2020 by Eternal Khol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 +Invocation Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Eternal Khol said: Why does it need to be captured anyway The alternatives were one of the Fused finding Timbre's hiding spot or Timbre shoving Venli out of her form and immediately revealing to them that something is horribly wrong, either of which would have lead to Venli's immediate execution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Eternal Khol Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Invocation said: The alternatives were one of the Fused finding Timbre's hiding spot or Timbre shoving Venli out of her form and immediately revealing to them that something is horribly wrong, either of which would have lead to Venli's immediate execution. So it was all just to survive. The old rhythms and Glowing Eyes at will are just perks of that happening? Can listeners bond KR spren and not have them in their gemheart? Edited April 18, 2020 by Eternal Khol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 +Invocation Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Eternal Khol said: The old rhythms and Glowing Eyes at will are just perks of that happening? As far as I know, yes. But I want to stress, this is literally unprecedented, so I don't know fully. 3 minutes ago, Eternal Khol said: Can listeners bond KR spren and not have them in their gemheart? Well that's the funny thing. Venli is the first parsh to ever be able to bond a Radiant-spren in such a way as to gain their powers. No idea what changed (but probably Honor's death) or why that changed this, but it did! Edited April 18, 2020 by Invocation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Eternal Khol Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 17 minutes ago, Invocation said: Well that's the funny thing. Venli is the first parsh to ever be able to bond a Radiant-spren in such a way as to gain powers She is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 +Invocation Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 Just now, Eternal Khol said: She is? As far as anyone is aware, she is. The Dawnchant has several references to the depth of human bonds granting them their Radiant abilities. I think one is something like "Broth are we but their meat is men," and while some of the forms of power have their abilities, Radiancy is not a thing that seemed to have been possible for the parsh in the days of old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Eternal Khol Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, Invocation said: As far as anyone is aware, she is. The Dawnchant has several references to the depth of human bonds granting them their Radiant abilities. I think one is something like "Broth are we but their meat is men," and while some of the forms of power have their abilities, Radiancy is not a thing that seemed to have been possible for the parsh in the days of old. "The betrayal of spren has brought us here. / They gave their Surges to human heirs, / But not to those who know them most dear, before us." this one is relevant too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 CameronUluvara Posted April 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 (edited) Actually she’s not the first. In WoR, one of the listener stanzas at the beginning of the chapter is But it is not impossible to blend Their surges to ours in the end Edited April 18, 2020 by CameronUluvara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 +Invocation Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Eternal Khol said: "The betrayal of spren has brought us here. / They gave their Surges to human heirs, / But not to those who know them most dear, before us." this one is relevant too Yes it is, and illustrates the point even better, honestly. Radiancy was a human thing, and potentially even the Horneaters and Herdazians would have been less likely to form a bond due to parsh blood (but that's a little crackpot, honestly). 4 minutes ago, CameronUluvara said: Actually she’s not the first. In WoR, one of the listener stanzas at the beginning of the chapter is But it is not impossible to blend Their surges to ours in the end That was a prophecy, not a current event. Edited April 18, 2020 by Invocation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 CameronUluvara Posted April 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 (edited) How do you know? It also says in this same stanza We question if....we dare to have them again Edited April 18, 2020 by CameronUluvara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 +Invocation Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 Just now, CameronUluvara said: How do you know? Quote Nightform predicting what will be,As the gods did leave, the nightform whispered.A new storm will come, someday to break.A new storm a new world to make.A new storm a new path to take, the nightform listens. We know they had a form for that, we know that at the time of writing that they were still trying to figure it out (or they likely wouldn't still be talking about it like that), and we know that the above bit about Nightform shows that their new path would come in the future. Stands to reason that was part of the Nightform prophecy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 CameronUluvara Posted April 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 Also, the Fused seemed to be looking for Timbre near the end of Oathbringer, so he must have known it was possible or he wouldn’t have cared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 +Invocation Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 Just now, CameronUluvara said: Also, the Fused seemed to be looking for Timbre near the end of Oathbringer, so he must have known it was possible or he wouldn’t have cared. Odium knows it's possible, and I'm fairly certain what they were looking for was a spanreed more than anything. Odium doesn't seem like the kind of being to trust Venli very much after she'd been pulled into Dalinar's vision, not to mention that Nightform was part of his voidform stuff anyway and likely derives from his own futuresight so he probably knows about that prophecy anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 CameronUluvara Posted April 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 (edited) What about the rest of the stanza? How does that look like a prophecy? We question if....we dare to have them again. Edited April 18, 2020 by CameronUluvara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The description that Jasnah reads of Truthwatcher spren sounds-or looks?- like Timbre. Is this confirmed, that Venli is going to be a Truthwatcher? And how does Timbre keep a voidspren captive?
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