Karger Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 6 hours ago, The Last Post said: KIP KIP KIP KIP Kaladin! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Sorana Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 *waves at @AonEne* 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Archivist Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 *waves back at @Blessing of Potency* 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AonEne Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Sorana said: *waves at @AonEne* *tackles Sorana in a hug because waving back is for pedestrians* Spoiler No offense to everyone who waved back, I’m just being weird 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Sorana Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, AonEne said: *tackles Sorana in a hug because waving back is for pedestrians* *hugs Ene tightly laughing happily* 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AonEne Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Sorana said: *hugs Ene tightly laughing happily* *dances around, also laughing* 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CahiraCelosial Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 @The Last Post I don't think so either. I mean I've seen you around, but I can be a forum lurker sometimes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosharan A.C. Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 (edited) Dang it I’m first. @Mist, do you wanna have a PM to throw some ideas around or something? edit: Also question, are we posting our arguments within the 48 hours or after them? Edited April 23, 2020 by Rosharan A.C. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar Blessing Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 10 hours ago, The_Archivist said: *waves back at @Blessing of Potency* sooo. I haven't really talked to you so hello, I'm Po! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosharan A.C. Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 11 minutes ago, Rosharan A.C. said: Also question, are we posting our arguments within the 48 hours or after them? Ah nevermind. Just read through the first post again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retrac Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 @The Awakened Salad I would like to join in the next game if you don't mind. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 (edited) *Growls intensely desiring a good rip as all of the positive friendly energy surrounds and smothers* also @Mist and @Rosharan A.C. I don't want to rush you but if we both want to get in at least one rebuttal you should probably respond soon. Edited April 23, 2020 by Karger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar Blessing Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, Karger said: *Growls intensely desiring a good rip as all of the positive friendly energy surrounds and smothers* *Waves at them while smiling broadly* 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Archivist Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Blessing of Potency said: sooo. I haven't really talked to you so hello, I'm Po! Hi! I'm Archivist! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mist Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 Blushweaver would not be willing to leave the Court of the Gods, and it would be difficult to leave it, as Returned need Breath. While Stormlight can stand in, the Returned in Hallandren do not know that. Elhokar, as politically inept as he is, would not be able to politically navigate the Court of the Gods. Blushweaver, because of her divine Breath, is immortal. Elhokar is not immortal and not able to become immortal with his world's magic system. Blushweaver, if she were able to continue in a relationship, would choose Lightsong over Elhokar. Aesudan and Blushweaver both had ambition, meaning Elhokar would be attracted to them. The first relationship ended badly. Why would the second not? While Lightsong was wise, Elhokar is not skilled, relying on his uncle and luck. I disagree that Elhokar and Blushweaver could help each other. Blushweaver channels her intentions in distracting ways. For her to help Elhokar channel in productive ways would be the blind leading the blind. Elhokar is not a strong man; he would not be able to help Blushweaver be a strong woman. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosharan A.C. Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 (edited) Yeah that. You beat me to it . Although there are some ways that Elhokar and Blushweaver seem to compliment each other, these only help their cause if they somehow get past the many, many reasons why they don’t fit together. And even if they did, lots of those reasons wouldn’t go away. In the end there are to many differences in them that would avert the other person. Edited April 23, 2020 by Rosharan A.C. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Doomstick Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 7 hours ago, CahiraCelosial said: @The Last Post I don't think so either. I mean I've seen you around, but I can be a forum lurker sometimes. *high fives* 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Awakened Salad Posted April 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 6 hours ago, Retrac said: @The Awakened Salad I would like to join in the next game if you don't mind. I’ll add you to the list! Round one is (approximately) half way through! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CahiraCelosial Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 @The Last Post *High fives back* 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghanderflaffle Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 Elhokar can be forceful if he chooses to be. We see him changing to be more forceful with Dalinar when he chooses to take his expedition. Blushweaver would find him interesting, as I believe part of the reason she was attracted to Lightsong was the fact that he wasn’t great at politics at the beginning, yet had to learn fast. Elhokar would certainly be attracted to Blushweaver because of her ambition and form, as she is a beautiful woman. If Blushweaver had to leave the Court of the Gods, I do believe that Elhokar would use all the researchers he has at his disposal to find a way to keep her alive and eventually discover that he can use Stormlight to help her. Blushweaver would certainly be a great match for the Alethi court, and she could help guide Elhokar through it until he learns his way. He wouldn’t be content with his wife leading everything, as it isn’t the Alethi way, so he would try to learn his way around politics by watching her. I believe Blushweaver finds change interesting and attracting, and Elhokar would certainly be in the process of change. Let's go @Karger! Sorry I wasn’t on yesterday. Storms, I love debating. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 30 minutes ago, Ghanderflaffle said: Let's go @Karger! Sorry I wasn’t on yesterday. Storms, I love debating. Great to have you back now! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destruction Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 @The Awakened Salad I would like to join in next game if that wouldn't be too much work for you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosharan A.C. Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 (edited) As a Returned, Blushweaver is very different from regular beings. Physically, Returned are stronger, faster, and embody physical perfection. Because of her divine status, Blushweaver is much more than a regular human. She is godlike, and that’s how people treat her. Consequently, her perspective is also very different from normal beings. To her, humans are average, and rarely deserve special attention. Perhaps Elhokar can be forceful and adept sometimes. Perhaps he is very similar to Lightsong in certain ways. But there’s one thing he lacks: He’s not a Returned. To Blushweaver, Elhokar doesn’t deserve any kind of attention or help, even if he is a king. In Warbreaker, she treats Siri with little respect, even before Siri and Lightsong become friends. This shows that she has little to no regard for royalty. For all she cares, Elhokar is a toy and a tool to get what she wants. Even if they did fall in love, their ways are too different to make either happy. Suppose they did like each other. Suppose, something outrageous happens and they completely fall in love. There are two options now: Elhokar can come to live in the Court of Gods, or Blushweaver can come live in Alethkar. Elhokar can show strength sometimes, but deep down he has an intense paranoi that would only increase in a place like the Court of Gods. Being somewhere where he is regarded as puny, among gods who could squish him if they wanted, would dramatically increase his fear. He would never be able to shake this intense anxiety, and as a result he would never be able to really be happy. In Blushweaver’s case, living anywhere else would be dull, boring, and not worth her time. In the Court of Gods, she can eat anything she wants, do anything she wants, and all whenever she wants it. Even if Elhokar had enough time and resources to find a way for her to stay alive on Roshar, the Alethi Court would be nothing like how she is used to living. Elhokar would likely give her whatever she wants, but the speed, the ease in which she gets it could never match the Court of Gods. And, the way she is treated would drastically change. She would be revered as a queen, but not a god. The Alethi have their own religion, completely separate from what Blushweaver is used to. Maybe she would be astounding. Maybe she would seem divine. But to them, she’s still no god. Even if she loved Elhokar, she would never tolerate living in this way. So, even if Blushweaver somehow went against her nature, her upbringing, and everything she has learned and fell for Elhokar, being with him still wouldn’t make her happy. Elhokar could very likely fall in love with her, but at what cost? Neither are alike enough to have a normal, healthy relationship, and trying to live in the other’s situation would only make their own worse. In conclusion, Blushweaver and Elhokar could never be able to have lasting happiness together. Edited April 24, 2020 by Rosharan A.C. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 On 4/23/2020 at 3:35 PM, Mist said: Blushweaver would not be willing to leave the Court of the Gods, and it would be difficult to leave it, as Returned need Breath For the romance to happen at all the two of them would have to meet. Blushweaver could take a stock of breaths with her and then use stormlight afterward. On 4/23/2020 at 3:35 PM, Mist said: Returned in Hallandren do not know that Vasher and potentially some the priests do. On 4/23/2020 at 3:35 PM, Mist said: Elhokar, as politically inept as he is, would not be able to politically navigate the Court of the Gods Like Lightsong? On 4/23/2020 at 3:35 PM, Mist said: Blushweaver, because of her divine Breath, is immortal. Elhokar is not immortal and not able to become immortal with his world's magic system. He is probably wealthy enough to afford the fifth heightening(being King has perks). On 4/23/2020 at 3:35 PM, Mist said: Blushweaver, if she were able to continue in a relationship, would choose Lightsong over Elhokar. Lightsong is dead. On 4/23/2020 at 3:35 PM, Mist said: Aesudan and Blushweaver both had ambition, meaning Elhokar would be attracted to them. The first relationship ended badly. Why would the second not? Because Blushweaver is not an idiotic selfish megalomaniac? On 4/23/2020 at 3:35 PM, Mist said: While Lightsong was wise, Elhokar is not skilled, relying on his uncle and luck. Lack of political skill is not the same as lack of wisdom. Elhokar did demonstrate some and could have learned more given time. On 4/23/2020 at 3:35 PM, Mist said: For her to help Elhokar channel in productive ways would be the blind leading the blind. Elhokar is not a strong man Elhokar does not subscribe to the toxic masculinity of the alethi court. That does not mean he is not strong. 48 minutes ago, Rosharan A.C. said: He’s not a Returned. To Blushweaver, Elhokar doesn’t deserve any kind of attention or help, even if he is a king And a Lightweaver? 48 minutes ago, Rosharan A.C. said: In Warbreaker, she treats Siri with little respect, even before Siri and Lightsong become friends. This shows that she has little to no regard for royalty. For all she cares, Elhokar is a toy and a tool to get what she wants. The annotations say that her actions are motivated by jealousy. She feels threatened by royalty. That indicates that to some degree she respects it. 50 minutes ago, Rosharan A.C. said: Neither are alike enough to have a normal, healthy relationship, and trying to live in the other’s situation would only make their own worse. In conclusion, Blushweaver and Elhokar could never be able to have lasting happiness together. I don't find paranoid living in a castle or leading a personality cult particularly healthy. A relationship that requires work, compromise, and commitment on the other hand... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mist Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Karger said: I don't find paranoid living in a castle or leading a personality cult particularly healthy. A relationship that requires work, compromise, and commitment on the other hand While their previous lives weren't healthy, this relationship also would not be healthy. 14 minutes ago, Karger said: He is probably wealthy enough to afford the fifth heightening(being King has perks). Currencies likely do not exchange well between spheres and whatever Nalthis uses. 15 minutes ago, Karger said: Lightsong is dead. So is Blushweaver. 16 minutes ago, Karger said: And a Lightweaver? Elhokar is only a fledgling Lightweaver, something foreign to Nalthis and slightly taboo in his own world. Is Blushweaver's jealousy before or after Siri meets Lightsong? She is a god, higher than royalty. Edited April 24, 2020 by Mist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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