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Oltux72

Medaillons based on hemalurgy?

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We are frequently assuming that medaillons are based on the feruchemy of nicrosil. That requires a leap of faith on how somebody who is not a feruchemist should be able to tap a nicrosil metalmind. But there is a way to grant such powers. Is it possible that ettmetal or its alloys give you the ability to make a hemalurgic spike that works by mere touch of the recipient? The name 'exciser' sounds pretty hemalurgical.
If Kelsier really was the Survivor he had knowledge about hemalurgy and even advanced techniques used to staple back a shadow.

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ive seen alot of theories about the excisor being some form of hemalurgy it does make sense this wob says it should be possible to make a medallion without hemalurgy but brandon said hed have to check his notes wheter that offers any credance to medallions not realling that heavily on feurchemy who knows but we do know honorblades and nicrosil medallions work under the same base principles when it comes to giving powers so if it rellies alot on a modifed form of hemalurgy then honor baldes will possibly have somthing similer going on as well

Yata

If you have 32 Misting and Ferring, every kind possible, without using Hemalurgy, you can craft a medallion? Without the aftermath of the--

Brandon Sanderson

So could you craft a medallion... without-- oh. That should be possible, but this is one of the things where I have to dig out the notes and double-check myself. But this should be possible.

Oathbringer London signing (Nov. 28, 2017)

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Do Honorblades bestow their abilities similar to an Identity-free nicrosilmind with other Metalborn abilities?

Brandon Sanderson

Yeah, these are working on similar principles. Same principle, divergent applications by the magic system, but yeah, I would say, they come back to the same principles.

Orem signing (March 10, 2018)

 

 

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Brandon has explained that you do tap nicrosil when using a medallion; it's something special about what's been stored in that metalmind. Emphasis mine:

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Brandon Sanderson

So one of the things people have been asking about a lot the nature of Identity and its uses for accessing other people's metalminds, and things like this right. And I hedged a little bit when somebody asked me... *inaudible*...send people into spirals of confusion, so I'm gonna clarify it for now. So, someone comes in and says, we need a blank metalmind, anybody can use that. I'm like, yes but, the reason that it's a hedge is that you need to actually be a feruchemist to access it, right, you can't just hold the blank metalmind not being a feruchemist, even though it's somebody else's investiture that's been blanked, right. So people keep kind of missing this thing. I'm hedging in the sort of, you don't quite have it, I've kind of dodged it, but I worry that it's just going to be confusing.

So the issue is, you need two things from one of these. You need something that makes you a feruchemist, and then you need a metalmind that somebody else has filled with blank investiture, ok. Now if you can get pure investiture, that can be used by anybody, regardless, ok, you need it in pure form though. But, so there are some other tricks with this as well that don't make it...so anyway, you've got a couple of things that can go on. So you've got a blank metalmind, right, with nothing. You need either investiture, to be able...like you need to be the right type. There are ways to access that if you are completely blank also, if you were a blank slate, but that is still...kind of hard. It's even harder if you are blank, and the metalmind is not blank, but that's not what they're doing in Mistborn right now. You are tapping investiture, gaining the ability of feruchemy and then you are drawing out a blank metalmind, ok. That's the one you need to be...and everything else I'm hedging on intentionally, and I'm worried I hedged in a way that made it sound confusing, ok. So you know now what they're doing. You know that there are other things possible. But I don't want you to think that you have the explanations for how all those things happen, ok.

Arcanum Unbounded Seattle signing (Dec. 1, 2016)

 

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