+Child of Hodor Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 Theory: Hoid is gathering up magic from all the Shards for some purpose. Odium is of the Shards. He will cut a deal with Rayse to get some of Odium’s magic. Hoid’s Mission He was in Elantris to try and become an Elantrian. He was on Scadrial to get a bead of Lerasium. He was on Roshar to become a Radiant which he has as of OB. There is one more Shard in this system whose magic he needs. Hoid will go to Braize Brandon said “has Hoid been to Braize” is one of the biggest RAFOs https://wob.coppermind.net/events/221/#e6196 In WoK Ch 57 Hoid tells Kaladin his purpose in Roshar was to “chase an old acquaintance, but I spend most of my time hiding from him instead” In WoR Ch. 67 he tells Dalinar he’s willing to “watch this world crumble and burn to get what I need.” He doesn’t want Odium to win, which is why he’s sending all those letters. But he is going to help Odium out in exchange for voidbinding powers to add to his collection. i predict the book 4 epilogue is Hoid on Braize talking to Rayse. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashspren Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 57 minutes ago, Child of Hodor said: Hoid on Braize talking to Rayse. Nice, that rhymes. (Just a gut reaction, sorry. ) 58 minutes ago, Child of Hodor said: There is one more Shard in this system whose magic he needs. Actually, there are two more. Yes, if he wants Odium's power, he would have to cut a deal with Rayse. That being said, he also needs the power of Cultivation. I think it's more likely that the Book 4 epilogue will show Hoid getting a boon/bane from the Nightwatcher. Hoid really despises Rayse, and I truly believe that it would take a life-threatening event to force him into a deal. However, with the presence of Nightblood on Roshar... well, that leaves room for some very interesting occurrences. If Odium gets his hands on Nightblood, then perhaps a deal isn't too far off. In my opinion, your idea of Hoid on Braize talking to Rayse sounds like a perfect, suspenseful epilogue for Book 5, closing out the first arc. I love the idea of it! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatbringer Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, Ashspren said: I think it's more likely that the Book 4 epilogue will show Hoid getting a boon/bane from the Nightwatcher. I love this idea. Hot take: Cultivation's Vessel is an old flame of Hoid's from back om Yolen. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashspren Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 Just now, Goatbringer said: I love this idea. Hot take: Cultivation's Vessel is an old flame of Hoid's from back om Yolen. Wonder how Tanavast is feeling about that... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormfather-in-Law Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, Ashspren said: Wonder how Tanavast is feeling about that... He probably feels dead inside. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashspren Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, Stormfather-in-Law said: He probably feels dead inside. And thanks to Odium, he's dead on the outside too! Gotta love heartbreak. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 Given that Hoid hates Rayse a lot, I think it's more likely that Hoid will work to destroy Rayse, and then maybe make a deal with his successor. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, RShara said: Given that Hoid hates Rayse a lot, I think it's more likely that Hoid will work to destroy Rayse, and then maybe make a deal with his successor. Something like that. Or maybe make a deal with one of the unmade and then possibly double cross them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashspren Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 10 minutes ago, RShara said: Given that Hoid hates Rayse a lot, I think it's more likely that Hoid will work to destroy Rayse, and then maybe make a deal with his successor. As much as this idea appeals to me, I think Rayse is going to stick around for a little while. Rayse himself–– and not just Odium–– is shaping up to be the main antagonist of the Stormlight Archive, so I would be surprised if he was gone before Book 10. 2 minutes ago, Karger said: Something like that. Or maybe make a deal with one of the unmade and then possibly double cross them. I think this is more likely. Given that an Unmade isn't quite at the same level as a Shard, this leaves more plausibility for Hoid being able to outplay them. Granted, I'm still kind of hooked onto the idea of Nightblood being used to threaten Hoid's life. We know that Nightblood could potentially kill him, and now that Vasher-as-Zahel has brought it to Roshar, I'm looking forward to an interaction between the two. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honorless Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 All the Odium derived magic seem to take something from the wielder ("give me your pain"). I don't think Hoid would want something that is detrimental to himself. He forwent Ruin's magic due to the damaged Spiritweb as a backdoor into the mind thing that was built into Hemalurgy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashspren Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 11 hours ago, Dreamer said: All the Odium derived magic seem to take something from the wielder ("give me your pain"). I don't think Hoid would want something that is detrimental to himself. He forwent Ruin's magic due to the damaged Spiritweb as a backdoor into the mind thing that was built into Hemalurgy. Right. And while the Nightwatcher might also give him a bane, he’s also getting a boon out of it... so, unless Hoid was actually an old flame on Yolen, it should balance out. Additionally, Hoid and Cultivation have the same goal: stop Rayse. That makes a deal a bit more palatable. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalke219 Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 Spoiler What about Ruin? Think he would use hemalurgy? Would that be the only way to gain the power of that shard? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honorless Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Chalke219 said: Hide contents What about Ruin? Think he would use hemalurgy? Would that be the only way to gain the power of that shard? Quote Ruro272 (paraphrased) Does Hoid have a Hemalurgically charged Nicrosil spike? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) It's... unlikely. Hoid would not want to open himself to the influence of Shards so using Hemalurgy on himself is unlikely. Although Hemalurgy is the easiest way to get other powers, he'd more likely do things the hard way. Minicon 2015 (April 2, 2015) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isilel Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 5 hours ago, Chalke219 said: Hide contents What about Ruin? Think he would use hemalurgy? Would that be the only way to gain the power of that shard? Spoiler There is also Feruchemy, it is half from Ruin's power. I think that there is a WoB that Hoid tried to obtain it in WoA/HoA. Concerning Odium's power, I am not sure if Hoid would want connection to him at this time. But he can convince Sja-Anath to corrupt his Cryptic in a pinch, I guess? Thus getting access to powers of all 3 Shards in Rosharan system through one tidy Nahel bond package. Odium doesn't need Nightblood to quash Hoid like a bug, BTW. Didn't Hoid tell as much to somebody in SA at some point? Maybe Dalinar? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 20 minutes ago, Isilel said: Reveal hidden contents There is also Feruchemy, it is half from Ruin's power. I think that there is a WoB that Hoid tried to obtain it in WoA/HoA. Odium doesn't need Nightblood to quash Hoid like a bug, BTW. Didn't Hoid tell as much to somebody in SA at some point? Maybe Dalinar? Yeah WoK he talked about it, I think if a bunch of fused got together and used division Hoid would eventually die. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NameIess Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 On 3/19/2020 at 6:02 PM, Booknerd said: Yeah WoK he talked about it, I think if a bunch of fused got together and used division Hoid would eventually die. Or Odium could just kill him himself. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Nameless said: Or Odium could just kill him himself. Well yeah but I'm trying to find an easier way to kill him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NameIess Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 Just now, Booknerd said: Well yeah but I'm trying to find an easier way to kill him. Or you just tie him up in chains made of living beings, so that he can't break them, and repeatedly hemalurgicly spike healing out of him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 Just now, Nameless said: Or you just tie him up in chains made of living beings, so that he can't break them, and repeatedly hemalurgicly spike healing out of him. Exactly what being are you making chains out of? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NameIess Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Booknerd said: Exactly what being are you making chains out of? Fused carapace. They have the order that can grow weapons and stuff out of it, so why not chains? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Nameless said: Fused carapace. They have the order that can grow weapons and stuff out of it, so why not chains? I don't know how much that would count if Hoid sees them as cognitive shadows he could harm them, or if he sees carapace as closer to fingernails he could probably break them 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NameIess Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 Just now, Booknerd said: I don't know how much that would count if Hoid sees them as cognitive shadows he could harm them, or if he sees carapace as closer to fingernails he could probably break them Then put pain receptors in them 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joesleepsalot Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 8 hours ago, Nameless said: Then put pain receptors in them Nameless aka Morgoth lol, my money is that your theory gets a tipping-of-the-hat by Brandon by the end of the series. That guys definitely does read this stuff 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 On 3/18/2020 at 1:25 PM, Ashspren said: As much as this idea appeals to me, I think Rayse is going to stick around for a little while. Rayse himself–– and not just Odium–– is shaping up to be the main antagonist of the Stormlight Archive, so I would be surprised if he was gone before Book 10. I think this is more likely. Given that an Unmade isn't quite at the same level as a Shard, this leaves more plausibility for Hoid being able to outplay them. Granted, I'm still kind of hooked onto the idea of Nightblood being used to threaten Hoid's life. We know that Nightblood could potentially kill him, and now that Vasher-as-Zahel has brought it to Roshar, I'm looking forward to an interaction between the two. Well, I was saying it was more likely, not that either of them are very likely 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashspren Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 10 hours ago, RShara said: Well, I was saying it was more likely, not that either of them are very likely Thanks for clarifying 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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