BlueNinja Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 (edited) I was perusing the Arcanum when I came across a WoB that came with a potential option for the 4th Ideal of the Windrunners. The one suggested is, ""I will forgive myself for those I've failed to protect". Personally, I believe the fourth Ideal may be more along the lines of: I recognize that I must kill to protect OR I will protect the masses by stopping the few. In essence my idea is that Kaladin and all Windrunners will have to recognize that conflict will occur and that the average person (Singer or Human) can be caught in the struggle for power between greater forces than themselves. Therefore, to protect as many as they can Windrunners will have to kill or disable the greater forces of evil, and as a result their underlings. I may be completely incorrect. Please let me know your thoughts. Edited February 11, 2020 by BlueNinja 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honorless Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 (edited) Here are some of the latest topics discussing the same: https://amp.reddit.com/r/Stormlight_Archive/comments/7e8j20/oathbringer_fourth_ideal/ https://amp.reddit.com/r/Stormlight_Archive/comments/7dzq3h/oathbringer_the_fourth_ideal_of_the_windrunners/ Edited February 14, 2020 by Honorless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueNinja Posted February 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 Thank you very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honorless Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 It's a good guess for the Fourth Ideal, @BlueNinja. I like it. You can't protect all of them, and sometimes staying your hand to assuage your conscience can lead to greater disasters which could've been prevented. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsecaller_17.5 Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 13 hours ago, BlueNinja said: I was perusing the Arcanum when I came across a WoB that came with a potential option for the 4th Ideal of the Windrunners. The one suggested is, ""I will forgive myself for those I've failed to protect". Personally, I believe the fourth Ideal may be more along the lines of: I recognize that I must kill to protect OR I will protect the masses by stopping the few. In essence my idea is that Kaladin and all Windrunners will have to recognize that conflict will occur and that the average person (Singer or Human) can be caught in the struggle for power between greater forces than themselves. Therefore, to protect as many as they can Windrunners will have to kill or disable the greater forces of evil, and as a result their underlings. I may be completely incorrect. Please let me know your thoughts. I just have to say how happy it makes me that my question is provoking discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honorless Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 @BlueNinja, you linked the WoB directly below the one you were actually trying to link to 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueNinja Posted February 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 3 hours ago, Honorless said: @BlueNinja, you linked the WoB directly below the one you were actually trying to link to Fixed now. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Oltux72 Posted February 25, 2020 Report Share Posted February 25, 2020 On 11/02/2020 at 4:23 AM, BlueNinja said: I was perusing the Arcanum when I came across a WoB that came with a potential option for the 4th Ideal of the Windrunners. The one suggested is, ""I will forgive myself for those I've failed to protect". This fits ill with the recording. In fact of the many hypotheses it fits least, as it implies that you want to protect everybody. The recording contradicts that. It does not explain the connection between Kaladin's breakdown in Kholinar and the fourth oath. On 11/02/2020 at 4:23 AM, BlueNinja said: Personally, I believe the fourth Ideal may be more along the lines of: I recognize that I must kill to protect OR I will protect the masses by stopping the few. But their mission is not to protect the masses. Syl explicitely rejects the idea that for the good of the country Elhokar should be eliminated. On 11/02/2020 at 4:23 AM, BlueNinja said: In essence my idea is that Kaladin and all Windrunners will have to recognize that conflict will occur and that the average person (Singer or Human) can be caught in the struggle for power between greater forces than themselves. That fits the theme of the battle in the palace. On 11/02/2020 at 4:23 AM, BlueNinja said: Therefore, to protect as many as they can Windrunners will have to kill or disable the greater forces of evil, and as a result their underlings. That is a very utilitarian interpretation which arguably conflicts with the Honorsprens' undertsanding of "journey before destination". Nor are the Windrunners about justice. "You are not a Skybreaker". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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