Karger Posted February 7, 2020 Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 (edited) Fairly simple question. What do you guys think the "limit" is of a none harmful savantism like soothing? With Nicrobursting and savantisezed Nicrobursting both widely understood in era two will everyone just take a day to reach their limit? Are there limits? Is it just a diminishing return at a certain point? Do we have WoB information on this? Also what do you think Wax's savantism will be? Edited February 7, 2020 by Karger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantus Posted February 7, 2020 Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 Im thinking there is literally No chance of "non-Harmful" Savantism, but only because Brandon has said specifically that he is unhappy with how Savantism has been falling and he intends to rework it a bit to ensure that there is always a harmful downside. So I expect the any Limits that are revealed in the future to be more along the lines of Rosharan Soulcasting Savants where they loose themselves in the Power and die. Quote Brandon Sanderson Warning, Evgeni. I'm really considering doing a backpedal on savants. The more i think about them, the less I'm not liking how my current course has them being treated in upcoming books. I think it deviates too far from my original vision. Argent Hey, I wouldn't normally contact you directly like this, but given that you thought it important enough to reach out and let me know you might change how savants work, I figured you probably wouldn't be too upset by this message. I replied to your Facebook comment, asking if you could clarify a little bit which aspects of savantism you are thinking of keeping and/or cutting. I don't need an essay on the topic (though you know I'd love one!), just some details on what we can consider canon for theories, and what we should be careful around. Brandon Sanderson Evgeni, So here's the problem. The more I dig into savants in the later outlines, the more I feel that I'm in a dangerous area--in that I'm disobeying their original intention. (Which is that using the power so much that it permeates your soul can be dangerous, a kind of uncontrolled version of a spren bond.) And so, I don't want to let myself just start making people savants right and left. It needs to be a specific thing. Wax is the troubling one, as I have him burning so much steel that he's well on his way, but isn't showing any side effects. If I'm going to give him savant-like abilities, he needs savant-like consequences. That's the danger, just falling back on savanthood to do some of the things I want, so often that it undermines the actual point and purpose of them in the cosmere lore. So if I backpedal, it will be to contain this and point myself the right way, sharply curtailing my desire to make people savants without their savanthood being an intrinsic part of their story and conflict in life. (Like it was for Spook, and is for Soulcasting savants on Roshar.) Feel free to share this. Argent Okay, so - if you do decide to go this route, I see the story implications (larger focus on consequences, less easy to get to the point where a character can be considered a savant). What I am not sure about is the potential for a mechanical change. Would a backpedal on your side cause a conflict with information you've shared with us, in or out of your books? Are you saying that it's possible that Wax won't be considered a savant (if you can't squeeze a good ramifications plot for him that doesn't contradict the apparent lack of consequences so far, for example)? Brandon Sanderson I haven't decided on anything yet. It's mostly consequences for the future--just a kind of, "be aware I'm not 100% pleased with how Wax turned out, re: savanthood and Allomantic resonance." The idea of resonance is that two powers, combined, meld kind of into one single power. This is a manifestation of the way Shards combine. Wax was intended as a savant of the two melded powers. But without consequences in his plot, I'm not confident that I'll continue in the same vein for future books. Footnote: The first message comes from Brandon reaching out to Argent (Evgeni) on Facebook with a follow-up regarding this entry. This rest is from a Reddit PM exchange between Argent and Brandon.Miscellaneous 2016 (Dec. 15, 2016) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted February 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Quantus said: So I expect the any Limits that are revealed in the future to be more along the lines of Rosharan Soulcasting Savants where they loose themselves in the Power and die. So do you think Wax will start turning a metallic grey and be able to see a bit into the SR in the future? Edited February 7, 2020 by Karger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantus Posted February 7, 2020 Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Karger said: So do you think Wax will start turning a metallic grey and be able to see a bit into the SR in the future? Probably not unless he learned to Soulcasting. Those are the effect of Soulcasting Savantism specifically because those are the actual Investiture process that are being overused, and are thus the specific stresses that are warping the Spiritweb. Wax's current abilities are being recast as skill-based rather than savantism, so Im not sure what new direction we'll see Allomantic savantism take. If I had to arbitrarily guess how a Steel-push might become antagonistic as compared to Tin, Id say he may loose the ability complete turn off his Steel-push bubble. Or perhaps he will have increasing difficulty with the electrical devices that are emerging, by unconsciously radiating a sort of interference. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted February 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 8 minutes ago, Quantus said: Wax's current abilities are being recast as skill-based rather than savantism, so Im not sure what new direction we'll see Allomantic savantism take. If I had to arbitrarily guess how a Steel-push might become antagonistic as compared to Tin, Id say he may loose the ability complete turn off his Steel-push bubble. Or perhaps he will have increasing difficulty with the electrical devices that are emerging, by unconsciously radiating a sort of interference. Hm. Editing topic now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weltall Posted February 7, 2020 Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 Yeah, I like the idea of 'can't turn it off' as a possible effect of A-Steel savantism, needing to keep burning at least a small amount of the metal or he suffers some consequence and that means he's constantly pushing on nearby metal to some degree whether he wants to or not. Actually, those side effects sound a lot like what wizards do in The Dresden Files, just via a different mechanism. Given that WoB, I imagine that other forms of savantism would have similar negative consequences to balance out the gains but it would depend on the power. And I imagine that being a savant in A-Gold, Bendalloy or Cadmium could get very weird, very quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantus Posted February 7, 2020 Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 I know this is a bit off-topic being a Rosharan question, but if Soulcasting via Fabrial will so often lead to Savantism, I tend to think other Surge-mimicking Fabirals would as well. What would Regrowth Savantism look like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted February 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Weltall said: Given that WoB, I imagine that other forms of savantism would have similar negative consequences to balance out the gains but it would depend on the power. And I imagine that being a savant in A-Gold, Bendalloy or Cadmium could get very weird, very quickly. Hm. Fun times! People who need to stay inside a time bubble are kind of creepy and kind of sad. As to gold. Yikes! That would be like having your parents standing over you at all times. "You could have done this or that or this or that!" Although with gold you might be able to break the limit and start seeing SR stuff. 37 minutes ago, Quantus said: What would Regrowth Savantism look like? Miles. Edited February 7, 2020 by Karger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantus Posted February 7, 2020 Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Karger said: Miles. Maybe, but I suspect it could look different since it Regrowth can target external folks (and is generally a heavy Investiture user typcial of surges), while Feruchemy normally is too much your own natural investiture to even warp the spiritweb like that, apparently it takes extreme compounding to overcome that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draginon Posted February 7, 2020 Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 (edited) I would imagine some getting pretty bad compared to others similar to Old Magic. Heck it could vary slightly from person to person by maybe having the Savantism resemble real diseases. I could see Soothing Savantism being where your own feelings are dulled so you feel empty, or in other words depressed, while Rioting would cause you to become a bit bipolar since your feelings could change constantly. Regrowth could possibly have the effect where your body overproduces healing and you get tumors like cancer or extra body parts that cause pain since your body wasn’t built for more. This line of thought now makes me wonder if in the upcoming Era 3 there will be a group of people similar to anti-vaxxers but these people are actually kind of right since with this line of thought the Allomancy is actually causing the diseases, just going overtime and resembling them. Edited February 7, 2020 by Draginon Small clarification 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted February 9, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2020 Perhaps Wax will become magnetic and have a constant inverse stealbubble that he has to burn to counter as it drains his own soul? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friendshipspren Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 On 2/7/2020 at 11:57 PM, Karger said: So do you think Wax will start turning a metallic grey and be able to see a bit into the SR in the future? Wait kaza could see into the spiritual realm ? I thought she was just saying stuff to scare the guy trying to hit on her or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friendshipspren Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 On 2/8/2020 at 0:28 AM, Quantus said: I know this is a bit off-topic being a Rosharan question, but if Soulcasting via Fabrial will so often lead to Savantism, I tend to think other Surge-mimicking Fabirals would as well. What would Regrowth Savantism look like? Cancer maybe ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted March 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 5 hours ago, PrinceGenocide said: Wait kaza could see into the spiritual realm ? I thought she was just saying stuff to scare the guy trying to hit on her or something. I think she could see into the CR slightly. Her descriptions are just a bit too accurate for someone who was not there. I was only speculating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternal Khol Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 8 minutes ago, Karger said: I think she could see into the CR slightly. Her descriptions are just a bit too accurate for someone who was not there. I was only speculating. She did speak of the "sun" in the CR. So I think it's safe to say she could peer into the CR Any Soulcaster, fabrial or not, can see into the CR 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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