Eternal Khol Posted January 26, 2020 Report Share Posted January 26, 2020 This is probably the most telling WoB on Adonalsium I've seen Pod (paraphrased) You said at the Starsight release that [Adonalsium] was intentionally preventing the spren from accessing Surges through fabrials and such pre-Shattering. Was this a passive or active effect? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) It was kind of both - the way [Adonalsium] worked was just that the way he saw the world was the way the world worked. He didn't want the spren to be able to do that, so they couldn't. Pod (paraphrased) So did [Adonalsium] want to die? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) *makes face along with various non committal hmings* Pod (paraphrased) That at least gives credibility to the theory. Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Yeah, it gives credibility to the theory. Footnote: *I don't know how to describe the face - it definitely wasn't confirmation but it looked incriminating to meAmerican Fork High School Signing (Dec. 12, 2019) so with Adonalsium, the way he saw things was the way things were. the spren couldn't access the surges because that's what adonalsium saw, so that's the way it worked. so is this saying that whatever adonalsium wished to see, happened.? Like if there was nothing and he wanted to see a world, would it magically appears? its like the chicken and egg theory. did adonalsium want to see something, so he did? or did he see something that was already there and that's the way things were? like the spren couldn't access the surges because he saw them that way? Or they already couldn't access the surges and he saw that so that became "law" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honorless Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 Limited Omnipotence 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aon Tia Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 11 minutes ago, Honorless said: Limited Omnipotence Limited not in ability but more like limited in his imagination Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honorless Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 1 hour ago, The Traveller said: Limited not in ability but more like limited in his imagination I was thinking of how the Cosmere, whether it was created by Adonalsium or not, is still a small cluster of stars in the vastness of space 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternal Khol Posted January 27, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Honorless said: I was thinking of how the Cosmere, whether it was created by Adonalsium or not, is still a small cluster of stars in the vastness of space. So if matter, energy and Investiture are all the same thing in the Cosmere Are the edges of the Cosmere a giant prison for everything created inside? I bet everything "Cosmere" would be bound inside its borders. But what if non-Cosmere matter tried to enter? Edited January 27, 2020 by Eternal Khol Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honorless Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 (edited) There might be other... gods/entities? beyond... the territory/playground/experiment? of Adonalsium Edited January 27, 2020 by Honorless 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halyo_Alex Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, Honorless said: experiment Literally chills as soon as i read that. where's my aluminum foil hat when i need it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aon Tia Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Honorless said: There might be other... gods/entities? beyond... the territory/playground/experiment? of Adonalsium I remember Reading wobs that suggest as much 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternal Khol Posted January 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) 17 hours ago, Honorless said: There might be other... gods/entities? beyond... the territory/playground/experiment? of Adonalsium what if Adonalsium and the 16 are just a piece of an even larger entity Edited January 28, 2020 by Eternal Khol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aon Tia Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 34 minutes ago, Eternal Khol said: what if Adonalsium and the 16 are just a piece of an even larger entity I think there are wobs that day that Adonalsium was always Adonalsium etc but he did not deny the possibility of forces outside the cosmere. ok here: Quote Jeff (paraphrased) Was Adonalsium’s power original to Adonalsium? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Yes. As far as anyone knows, there was no predecessor to Adonalsium. Good question. Quote dgenio8 (paraphrased) If the force opposing Adonalsium is an entity like him/it (?), have we seen any magic that is related to this entity? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) No. All the magic you see come from the shards of Adonalsium. Quote claytonphillips Before Adonalsium shattered, was it consciously opposed by something, be it people or another cosmic force? Is whatever opposed it still around? Brandon Sanderson Yes. Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Child of Hodor Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 On 1/27/2020 at 8:21 PM, The Traveller said: I think there are wobs that day that Adonalsium was always Adonalsium etc but he did not deny the possibility of forces outside the cosmere. ok here: He did clarify that when he originally responded "yes" to there being a force opposing Adonalsium he could have meant a group of people, like the 16 vessels pre-ascension. Doesn't rule out a predecessor being or the force actually being a supernatural force, but it seems like he was trying to steer our theorizing away from that. Quote Brandon Sanderson Let's see... *reading written question aloud* "Can you tell me anything new about the force that opposed Adonalsium?" *writes* "I would count groups of people as a force." Okay? So, I'm not saying that that's what it is, but when people ask that question and leave a lot of wiggle room... because I would count groups of people as a force that opposed him. So, I have not confirmed it's a group or anything like that. The question has a lot of wiggle room. Footnote: PatrickDiomedes' personalizationArcanum Unbounded Hoboken signing (Dec. 3, 2016) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aon Tia Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 11 hours ago, Child of Hodor said: He did clarify that when he originally responded "yes" to there being a force opposing Adonalsium he could have meant a group of people, like the 16 vessels pre-ascension. Doesn't rule out a predecessor being or the force actually being a supernatural force, but it seems like he was trying to steer our theorizing away from that. That is why I specifically refrained from posting any wobs regarding forces that opposed him! I restricted myself to wobs that simply do not deny the possibility of outside forces, outside of cosmere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honorless Posted January 31, 2020 Report Share Posted January 31, 2020 (edited) On 1/30/2020 at 6:42 AM, The Traveller said: That is why I specifically refrained from posting any wobs regarding forces that opposed him! I restricted myself to wobs that simply do not deny the possibility of outside forces, outside of cosmere. Are you admitting to dissimulation & obfuscation? That being said, more relevant WoBs here: Quote Questioner Is the God Beyond, or the Unknown God, one of the Adonalsium Shardholders or is it another godlike entity? Brandon Sanderson You got [a RAFO card]. Footnote: The context around the question includes the questioner's interest in the RAFO cards, hence Brandon's "you got it" reply before handing him one.Shadows of Self Chicago signing (Oct. 12, 2015) Quote Chaos You have once said, with regard to a question about Shards being the most powerful thing in the cosmere, that some would say that other "subtle forces" are being manifest. Are these subtle forces related to Adonalsium's opposition? Brandon Sanderson There is belief in a God who is not one of the Shards. /r/books AMA 2015 (June 5, 2015) Quote Mestiv Cosmere is a dwarf galaxy. Does Investiture exist in other galaxies? Do those galaxies have their own Adonalsiums? Brandon Sanderson That is beyond the scope... that's a RAFO, but not a RAFO I'm going to answer, that is a RAFO that we are concerned only with the cosmere. Skype Q&A (Oct. 8, 2018) the last one is, sadly, quite telling or is it? May I introduce you to this WoB: Quote Questioner Has anyone, Shard or otherwise, tried to leave the Cosmere and will we see that on screen? Brandon Sanderson So far... yes, and I think yes, it's likely. Footnote: Followup: https://wob.coppermind.net/events/379/#e13558Starsight Release Party (Nov. 26, 2019) The follow-up: Gallumbazos I've been wondering if we were going to leave the cosmere star cluster and see how things are beyond that, guess it's confirmed. Starsight Release Party (Nov. 26, 2019) Brandon Sanderson "Tried to" is operative here. General Reddit 2019 (Dec. 11, 2019) Edited February 9, 2020 by Honorless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aon Tia Posted February 10, 2020 Report Share Posted February 10, 2020 On 1/31/2020 at 1:39 PM, Honorless said: Questioner Has anyone, Shard or otherwise, tried to leave the Cosmere and will we see that on screen? Brandon Sanderson So far... yes, and I think yes, it's likely. Footnote: Followup: https://wob.coppermind.net/events/379/#e13558Starsight Release Party (Nov. 26, 2019) The follow-up: Gallumbazos I've been wondering if we were going to leave the cosmere star cluster and see how things are beyond that, guess it's confirmed. Starsight Release Party (Nov. 26, 2019) Brandon Sanderson "Tried to" is operative here. What just happened here?!! Is it really?! What!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternal Khol Posted February 10, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2020 4 hours ago, The Traveller said: What just happened here?!! Is it really?! What!! I just saw this WoB earlier today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel Inquisitive Posted February 10, 2020 Report Share Posted February 10, 2020 16 hours ago, The Traveller said: What just happened here?!! Is it really?! What!! I wouldn't get too excited. All it says is that someone tried to leave. Other wobs have said he's going to keep all the stories in the cosmere. So I'm pretty sure when they try, they will fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ftl Posted February 10, 2020 Report Share Posted February 10, 2020 Could be somebody trying to access the Beyond, too. That seems like the sort of thing Hoid would try, or some academics from Silverlight like Khriss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draginon Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 This could mean different things: If it was a Shard the situations I’m imagining are A. The essence is tied to the Cosmere so they either started feeling weak or the power was fading B. A classic case of walking in a straight line and somehow ending up back where they started. If it was a person, like Khriss, then there might be a limit to how far you can go in the Cognitive Realm or the area outside of the Cosmere is so barren that an expedition tried seeing if there was anything else and they ran out of supplies. If it was Hoid then it was probably on a whim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friendshipspren Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 On 2/10/2020 at 8:17 AM, The Traveller said: What just happened here?!! Is it really?! What!! I think Adonalsiums investiture permeates the star cluster alone and any shard is bound to it , much like how some shards are bound to Roshar and SEL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternal Khol Posted March 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 This section from Mythwalker rang Adonalsium in my head when I read it. In Peters notes for Chapter 4 of Mythwalker, he states that the Emperor is the actual descendant of a God. "The teachings of the priesthood said that the higher a being rose on the scale of divinity, the less ruled by instinct they became. The Emperor was the only human who actually transcended worldly desires, becoming a creature of pure thought with no feeling or emotion." I feel like this is relevant to the whole "the way [Adonalsium] worked was just that the way he saw the world was the way the world worked." WoB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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