NameIess Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 Okay, I know that this topic has been brought up before, but I have new rules. Scadrial Era 1, versus Roshar after the last desolation but before the Recreance. They are fighting on a neutral planet, with no affect from differing gravity's or diseases. the different factions of Roshar have combined together to defeat Scadrial, the knights radiant are at full capacity, with three bondsmiths, about 200 Radiants of the fourth or fifth ideals per order, (based off of Dalinar's vision of the Windrunners and Stonewards) and then an unknown but probably larger number of second and third ideal Radiants, and an even larger number of squires. Scadrial has the kolloss, the steel inquisitors, an uncertain amount of Mistborn, somwere from 30-60, kandra who are bound by the first contract, The Lord Ruler, and mistings, of which there is an uncertain amount. Both sides have whatever armies they can muster in one year, Roshar has access to refiling stormlight, not unliminted, but what they would get from storms normally, but no Heralds. who would win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 You have Scadrial a Fullborn. Roshar loses. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NameIess Posted October 13, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 How can a fullborn kill 2,000 Radiants with shardplate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) Steel compounding allows him to move fast enough you can't see him visually, gold compounding outperforms stormlight healing (he's been decapitated and regrow from being burned to a skeleton), he can alter his mass/weight enough to basically be a living bomb fter a steelpush. He's probably strong enough with allomancy to push blades and plate. They can't touch him and even if they do he heals back and between pewter/pewter he could rip their plate apart and take their heads off faster than can be seen. Fullborn are stupidly OP, and TLRs death was due to his own arrogance and stupidity. If they're actually actively using the abilities we know they have the only things we know of to contend with them are another Fullborn or a Shard. Edit: they are basically impossible to produce naturally because the genes for Allomancy and Feruchemy interfere with each other and only one has ever existed... And there's a good reason for that from a writing perspective. They're entirely OP and need to stay gone. Edited October 13, 2019 by Calderis 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, Calderis said: Fullborn are stupidly OP, and TLRs death was due to his own arrogance and stupidity. But the elsecallers can eliminate his metalminds and metal supply. Even at fill steal compounded speed he is only moving a few hundred miles per hour and he is fighting people with healing abilitites. As soon as his steal metalminds are gone he can be pined down and destroyed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NameIess Posted October 13, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, Calderis said: TLRs death was due to his own arrogance and stupidity Exactly, TLR is stupid and arrogant enough to see a Knight Radiant, laugh at them, and then let them stab him with a shardblade without running f-gold at a high enough rate to survive, (if you can survive a shardblade with f-gold). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Karger said: But the elsecallers can eliminate his metalminds and metal supply. Even at fill steal compounded speed he is only moving a few hundred miles per hour and he is fighting people with healing abilitites. As soon as his steal metalminds are gone he can be pined down and destroyed. One, that's going to take locating them and Soulcasting them prior to him hitting you. Two, the more invested something is, the harder it will be to soulcast. Good luck with that. 3 minutes ago, Llstml said: Exactly, TLR is stupid and arrogant enough to see a Knight Radiant, laugh at them, and then let them stab him with a shardblade without running f-gold at a high enough rate to survive, (if you can survive a shardblade with f-gold). There's a very big difference between a seemingly fragile young Mistborn girl, and a battlefield full of power armored magical enemies. I don't think he's going to toy with them, he's going to end it so he can go back to waiting for the Well. And F-gold can definitely heal shardblade wounds. Quote Questioner If a Shardblade was put through Wayne's eye, would he able to use his ability to [heal the wound]? Brandon Sanderson Yes, he should be able to heal that. Oathbringer Leeds signing (Dec. 1, 2017) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Calderis said: One, that's going to take locating them and Soulcasting them prior to him hitting you. TLR can't effect the CR. Just retreat their and do so at your leisure. 2 minutes ago, Calderis said: Two, the more invested something is, the harder it will be to soulcast. We have hundreds of elsecallers with us. If they work together they can probably pull it off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Karger said: TLR can't effect the CR. Just retreat their and do so at your leisure. How did they reach this middle ground planet for war in Era 1? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NameIess Posted October 13, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) Okay, but they still regenerate, have living shardplate, which may be indestructible while they have stormlight, Quote The helm, he realized, noticing that it was gushing stormlight from its numerous cracks, yet somehow hadn't exploded. It had somehow fed upon his stormlight. also, is there a limit to the amount of an attribute that you can store in a metalmind? because that would put a limit on TLR'd healing/strength/speed as he normally doesn't cover himself in metal. they were teleported there by a bunch of fans who wanted to see who would win. starting a war that would have massive causalities for their own entertainment Edited October 13, 2019 by Llstml 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Calderis said: How did they reach this middle ground planet for war in Era 1? It does not say. However unless both sides are sticking around the perpendicularity(which the Radiants would be stupid to do). This will not help. 1 minute ago, Llstml said: also, is there a limit to the amount of an attribute that you can store in a metalmind? because that would put a limit on TLR'd healing/strength/speed as he normally doesn't cover himself in metal. There is. It depends on the mass of the metal. Edited October 13, 2019 by Karger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NameIess Posted October 13, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) So TLR would eventually run out of attributes and die. Edit- actually he would run before he ran out Edited October 13, 2019 by Llstml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Llstml said: Okay, but they still regenerate, have living shardplate, which may be indestructible while they have stormlight, Radiants are more limited in healing than with F-gold, and the plate healing is going to further drain them of stormlight, diminishing their healing. In the "deleted scene" of Jasnah in Shadesmar, is said that crushing a radiants head will outright kill them, so I'd have to assume that decapitation would manage it. 3 minutes ago, Llstml said: also, is there a limit to the amount of an attribute that you can store in a metalmind? because that would put a limit on TLR'd healing/strength/speed as he normally doesn't cover himself in metal. There is... But the bands show us that that's ridiculously large and that's not even the main source of his power. Compounding is. Go ahead and kill his metalminds, he's still going to have the metals inside him, which with gold could be literally full size metalminds and he'd be fine and able to burn them. He could replace them and fill a new piece of metal at any time because that's how compounding works. You burn filled metal to get power that you can then dump back into more metal and have essentially infinite power. 4 minutes ago, Karger said: It does not say. However unless both sides are sticking around the perpendicularity(which the Radiants would be stupid to do). This will not help. He could stay on the Cognitive side and attack any who cross over. Or he could have forces waiting on the Cognitive side where Soulcasting isn't going to help much in the fist place to harass anyone trying to get t him that way. All assuming they can mange to do anything to him in the first place. These debates come up regularly. Fullborn are gone for a reason and I'm happier for it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 40 minutes ago, Calderis said: He could stay on the Cognitive side and attack any who cross over. Or he could have forces waiting on the Cognitive side where Soulcasting isn't going to help much in the fist place to harass anyone trying to get t him that way. All assuming they can mange to do anything to him in the first place. What does this neutral planet's CR look like? If it is like Roshar's see of spheres then TRL will probably sink. Side note. Does the sea of spheres have a bottom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 13 minutes ago, Karger said: What does this neutral planet's CR look like? If it is like Roshar's see of spheres then TRL will probably sink. Side note. Does the sea of spheres have a bottom? Yes. They walk along it in OB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Calderis said: Yes. They walk along it in OB. Ah Right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aon Tia Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 Don’t the Rosharans have honor too? And cultivation? If TLR came to destroy or conquer roshar, then the two shards will definitely get active and they certainly are more powerful than one fullborn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 4 hours ago, The traveller said: Don’t the Rosharans have honor too? And cultivation? If TLR came to destroy or conquer roshar, then the two shards will definitely get active and they certainly are more powerful than one fullborn That's not the scenario, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NameIess Posted October 13, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) Shallan survived a crossbow bolt to the head in OB, and TLR might not have metals in him, when Vin ripped his Atium minds off of him, he immediately started aging, also if he had steel charged up, why didn't he use it when Vin ripped his Atium metalminds of?, he could have gotten them back on by using speed. 4 hours ago, The traveller said: If TLR came to destroy or conquer roshar, then the two shards will definitely get active and they certainly are more powerful than one fullborn On Roshar, TLRs army would be destroyed by the storm, on Scadrial, the Rosharans would be blindsided by the mists, that is why I made it a neutral planet. Edited October 13, 2019 by Llstml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aon Tia Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 @Llstml oops missed the neutral planet part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aon Tia Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 16 minutes ago, Llstml said: Shallan survived a crossbow bolt to the head in OB KRs would not survive beheadings though unlike TLR. And mistborn if they have duralumin and atium, and then the steel inquisitors I still think that scadrial will win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthless of Shinovar Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 One side note that I know isn’t part of the scenario, but if the ten heralds were allowed in the fight, and had the access to the unlimited investiture, could the heralds beat TLR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NameIess Posted October 13, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 How would a Mistborn kill a KR with full shardplate, a sword that can cut through anything that is not heavily invested, and regeneration powers, along with differing powers based on their order. Also Truthwatchers (and maybe Edgedancers) can survive having their head crushed, Renarin did so several times when fighting the thunderclast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Llstml said: How would a Mistborn kill a KR with full shardplate, a sword that can cut through anything that is not heavily invested, and regeneration powers, along with differing powers based on their order. Also Truthwatchers (and maybe Edgedancers) can survive having their head crushed, Renarin did so several times when fighting the thunderclast. TLR can literally move faster than the speed of sound. He would be able to bash through Plate with compounded pewter strength and crush or remove the head before the Radiant even saw him coming and likely cause too much trauma for the Stormlight to heal fast enough to keep the Radiant alive. Edited October 13, 2019 by RShara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatherTiempo Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) I think a coinshot, theoretically, could steelpush a shardblade into their opponent. (Brandon Sanderson said once that shard blades could be allomantically influenced) I think of you cut a Radiant in half they'll die, but I'm not sure. I think the big equalizer for future conflicts between Roshar and Scadrial ( oh yes I predict awesomeness) will be the technology of Scadrial. Edited October 13, 2019 by FatherTiempo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts