Kalaksbreath Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 (edited) what would happen if you attacked an unmade with nightbood? We know that night blood is very powerful and I wonder in you attacked an unmade with nightblood if he would be able to do any damage. (Edit) We know that nightblood has an obsession with "destroying evil" and I would think that he would be eager to destroy the unmade because they are quite evil. Edited October 10, 2019 by Kalaksbreath 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 It's very likely that Nightblood would eat them completely, preventing them from escaping to take new bodies, and sending them Beyond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalaksbreath Posted October 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 minute ago, RShara said: It's very likely that Nightblood would eat them completely, preventing them from escaping to take new bodies, and sending them Beyond. so nightblood is a way the knights could kill the unmade. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantus Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 31 minutes ago, Kalaksbreath said: so nightblood is a way the knights could kill the unmade. Yup. A Larkin might be able to pull it off too, so long as it doesnt fill up before the unmade if fully eaten. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Kalaksbreath said: so nightblood is a way the knights could kill the unmade. In theory. 1 hour ago, Quantus said: Yup. A Larkin might be able to pull it off too, so long as it doesnt fill up before the unmade if fully eaten. It almost certainly would. Also Larkin have trouble with spren as they are identity locked and this is the kind of spren that has a high level identity I doubt a Larkin would be effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilphon Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 I mean, personally I'm sceptical of the idea that it would be that easy. But I would describe it as an experiment that's well worth trying. Maybe test it out on Ashertmarn; he feels like the one that's least likely to attack pre-emptively and ruin the science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Gilphon said: I mean, personally I'm sceptical of the idea that it would be that easy. But I would describe it as an experiment that's well worth trying. Maybe test it out on Ashertmarn; he feels like the one that's least likely to attack pre-emptively and ruin the science. Keep in mind that to use Nightblood this way (I have large misgivings about the effectiveness of using a Larkin) you would also have to have enough investature to fuel him throughout the experience and if that much is available to you then odds are the Unmade is considerably down the threat level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalaksbreath Posted October 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 47 minutes ago, Karger said: Keep in mind that to use Nightblood this way (I have large misgivings about the effectiveness of using a Larkin) you would also have to have enough investature to fuel him throughout the experience and if that much is available to you then odds are the Unmade is considerably down the threat level. Have Dalinar open up a perpendicularity I know we have WoB saying bad things would happen if you did that but they don’t know that and I want to see what would happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, Kalaksbreath said: Have Dalinar open up a perpendicularity I know we have WoB saying bad things would happen if you did that but they don’t know that and I want to see what would happen. Dalinar can't open those just on command. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalaksbreath Posted October 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 18 minutes ago, Karger said: Dalinar can't open those just on command. How sure are we on that because at the end of OB Kaladin says “Dalinar had been able to summon the strength to overcharge him with Stormlight, though it was obviously exhausting to do so.” Pg. 1211 that seams to me like he had done something like opening a perpendicularity to fill Kaladin with Stormlight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Kalaksbreath said: How sure are we on that because at the end of OB Kaladin says “Dalinar had been able to summon the strength to overcharge him with Stormlight, though it was obviously exhausting to do so.” Pg. 1211 that seams to me like he had done something like opening a perpendicularity to fill Kaladin with Stormlight. Completely sure. Sources: Reddit Idaho Falls signing (Dec. 29, 2018) #2 Share Copy Play/Pause Questioner Dalinar Ascends, right? Like, right then, there. Brandon Sanderson I have RAFO'd that. Whether he is Ascending or not is a RAFO. Questioner Okay, because I know he kind of mentions from that, I don't know how to say his name but the older guy who has the Diagram-- Brandon Sanderson Taravangian, yeah. Whether that deserves to be a capital "A" or not is a matter of argument. It can be disputed. Questioner I guess my main question would just be Dalinar's now able to pull Stormlight and give it to people now. Brandon Sanderson He definitely can. That is a Bondsmith power, so. Questioner That is a Bondsmith power, okay. Brandon Sanderson That is specifically a Bondsmith power. Questioner Because my roommate was saying well, the Stormfather was surprised he could do that or was the Stormfather surprised that he was able to bridge-- Brandon Sanderson He was surprised by what was happening to Dalinar as a whole. Questioner Oh okay, that's what I thought because I was like, because I felt like the Stormlight, that power would be a Bondsmith power. Brandon Sanderson Let's say that the Stormfather and Odium were seeing something in Dalinar that, perhaps, the average person watching even who is knowledgeable about Surges would not completely understand... But he will be able to use that power and Bondsmiths in the past have used that same power. Footnote: Brandon clarified that he might have been unintentionally misleading in his answers to this question during his Stormlight 4 Update 1. Meanwhile the Stormfather clearly states that Dalinar is the first to do what you describe. Edited October 11, 2019 by Karger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalaksbreath Posted October 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 15 minutes ago, Karger said: Completely sure. Sources: Reddit Idaho Falls signing (Dec. 29, 2018) #2 Share Copy Play/Pause Questioner Dalinar Ascends, right? Like, right then, there. Brandon Sanderson I have RAFO'd that. Whether he is Ascending or not is a RAFO. Questioner Okay, because I know he kind of mentions from that, I don't know how to say his name but the older guy who has the Diagram-- Brandon Sanderson Taravangian, yeah. Whether that deserves to be a capital "A" or not is a matter of argument. It can be disputed. Questioner I guess my main question would just be Dalinar's now able to pull Stormlight and give it to people now. Brandon Sanderson He definitely can. That is a Bondsmith power, so. Questioner That is a Bondsmith power, okay. Brandon Sanderson That is specifically a Bondsmith power. Questioner Because my roommate was saying well, the Stormfather was surprised he could do that or was the Stormfather surprised that he was able to bridge-- Brandon Sanderson He was surprised by what was happening to Dalinar as a whole. Questioner Oh okay, that's what I thought because I was like, because I felt like the Stormlight, that power would be a Bondsmith power. Brandon Sanderson Let's say that the Stormfather and Odium were seeing something in Dalinar that, perhaps, the average person watching even who is knowledgeable about Surges would not completely understand... But he will be able to use that power and Bondsmiths in the past have used that same power. Footnote: Brandon clarified that he might have been unintentionally misleading in his answers to this question during his Stormlight 4 Update 1. Meanwhile the Stormfather clearly states that Dalinar is the first to do what you describe. thank you for clarifying that so Dalinar can infuse other KR with stormlight and also somewhat unrelated but do you think Dalinar will be able to use that power to infuse the pilar in the basement of Urithiru or do we have WoB on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 10 minutes ago, Kalaksbreath said: but do you think Dalinar will be able to use that power to infuse the pilar in the basement of Urithiru or do we have WoB on that. To the best of my knowledge. Every question of that nature has been RAFOed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalaksbreath Posted October 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, Karger said: To the best of my knowledge. Every question of that nature has been RAFOed. that's what I thought but do you think he will be able to or you don't want to speculate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) Just now, Kalaksbreath said: that's what I thought but do you think he will be able to or you don't want to speculate. I do not think that having Dalinar zap the pillar with some stormlight will instantly fix everything(with the Sibiling and the tower). Edited October 11, 2019 by Karger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalaksbreath Posted October 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, Karger said: I do not think that having Dalinar zap the pillar with some stormlight will instantly fix everything(with the Sibiling and the tower). I agree with that to an extent but I think there is a good chance that it will be part of the solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 44 minutes ago, Kalaksbreath said: I agree with that to an extent but I think there is a good chance that it will be part of the solution. That is certainly one possibility. I am in the until someone Sibling bonds the problem will not get solved camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aon Tia Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 If not navani then who else do you think can bond the sibling? Rushu? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) 30 minutes ago, The traveller said: If not navani then who else do you think can bond the sibling? Rushu? Taravangian, Fen, Ialia, and Noura have a been floated as possibilities for one of the other two godspren. Edited October 11, 2019 by Karger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aon Tia Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 I like the idea of den being a radiant and even noura but these two are for nightwatcher sibling should be someone who is into fabrial technology Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantus Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 14 hours ago, Karger said: In theory. It almost certainly would. Also Larkin have trouble with spren as they are identity locked and this is the kind of spren that has a high level identity I doubt a Larkin would be effective. I completely forgot about that, you're right. If it could eat an Unmade, I would expect it should have been able to eat that Fused (rather than just drain it) and it would have eaten the spren right out of any farbial it was near. And given how the stormlight usually streams out from the gem tot he larkin's mouth, worst case would be that a larking trying might give the Unmade enough leverage to escape. 8 hours ago, The traveller said: I like the idea of den being a radiant and even noura but these two are for nightwatcher sibling should be someone who is into fabrial technology I like Navani for the Sibling that reason, thought I also really like the idea of Rlain for the Sibling to be a Bridge and help Unite the two races. In that instance Navani could also for the Nightwatcher. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilphon Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 Sorry, for clarification, why exactly would you need a whole bunch of investiture with you to use Nightblood against an Unmade? Like, you'd obviously need some in order to safely unsheathe him in the first place, but once that's done, couldn't you just kind of stick him in there and led him feed off the Unmade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aon Tia Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Quantus said: I completely forgot about that, you're right. If it could eat an Unmade, I would expect it should have been able to eat that Fused (rather than just drain it) and it would have eaten the spren right out of any farbial it was near. And given how the stormlight usually streams out from the gem tot he larkin's mouth, worst case would be that a larking trying might give the Unmade enough leverage to escape. I like Navani for the Sibling that reason, thought I also really like the idea of Rlain for the Sibling to be a Bridge and help Unite the two races. In that instance Navani could also for the Nightwatcher. Rlain could bond nightwatcher and attain nightform just kidding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Gilphon said: Sorry, for clarification, why exactly would you need a whole bunch of investiture with you to use Nightblood against an Unmade? Like, you'd obviously need some in order to safely unsheathe him in the first place, but once that's done, couldn't you just kind of stick him in there and led him feed off the Unmade? You need to keep him drawn long enough for him to drain the unmade. I don't think he can work if he has no power source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantus Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Gilphon said: Sorry, for clarification, why exactly would you need a whole bunch of investiture with you to use Nightblood against an Unmade? Like, you'd obviously need some in order to safely unsheathe him in the first place, but once that's done, couldn't you just kind of stick him in there and led him feed off the Unmade? 14 minutes ago, Karger said: You need to keep him drawn long enough for him to drain the unmade. I don't think he can work if he has no power source. Also, per the WOB below I get he impression taht Drawing Nightblood is more about an act of Intent than necessarily a physical act, it's described as Unchaining a monster and that Nightbloods physical form doesnt actually matter much. On top of that, we know the Connection he makes to his wielders is not reliant on physical contact/possession. Combine those two and I dont think you could let go of the sword to protect yourself without also shutting down Nightblood (Vasher threw him a couple times and he gouged the floor but then seemed to go dormant). That being said, you might be able to simply give the Unmade the Test the way Vasher liked to do: toss him over there and let their own dark natures convince them to draw and be destroyed by nightblood, though that would be hella-risky. Quote Brandon Sanderson Nightblood Nightblood's name, by the way, is supposed to sound kind of like the names of the Returned. I played with various different ways for his powers to manifest. I liked the idea of him driving those who hold him to kill anyone nearby. It seemed to work with the concepts that have come before—a kind of unholy, sentient mix of Stormbringer and the One Ring. The strangest thing about him is the idea that his form isn't that important. The sheath is like a binding for him, keeping his power contained. So drawing him out isn't like drawing a regular weapon, but rather an unleashing of a creature who has been kept chained. Once that creature is unleashed, he becomes a weapon—even if he's unleashed only a little bit. The sheath itself turns into a weapon, twisting those around it. You don't need to stab someone with Nightblood to kill them; smashing them on the back with the sheath works just as well. It will crunch bones, but beyond that, merely touching them with the sheath when the smoke is leaking can be deadly. Warbreaker Annotations (Feb. 7, 2011) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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