Mid-Range Game 37/Anonymous Game 6: An Empire is Falling

[Magenta Albatross]

10 hours ago, Ivory Dragonfly said:

My mind just keeps coming back to falcon having a vote manipulated off them, saving them from the lynch.

 

The moving a vote to someone else was a heritage specific role.

This is removing a vote entirely and i have to wonder if its the elims version of it.

Makes me wonder if Falcon was an elim being protected

Maybe it’s just me, but this post feels really, really weird. I made the mistake of voting for Amethyst for the same vote related machine they mention, which makes me think that a strategy the elims are employing is to try and set up lynches via vote manip. 

I’m going to go ahead and vote for Ivory . I looked through the rest of their posts this game, and several of them also give me a similar vibe. Like I said in a above post, I don’t really have any actual game info, so this gut read is likely the closest I’m going to be able to come to a more informed vote.

[Cream Tuatara]

So votes are currently sitting at:

Crocodile(2) Falcon, Mouse
Albatross(1) Crocodile
Falcon(1) Dragonfly
Dragonfly(1) Albatross

I have mixed feelings about a bunch of stuff. So Swan seems to be claiming to be a Rememberer, but we have already seen one of those, and they were village. If the suggestion that black roles were possible for Heritage or Glory is accurate, then maybe Swan could be Glory. Or is it reasonable for Heritage to have two Rememberers… 

I know I've been thinking about if Crocodile or Swan could be Glory with a Glory vote manipulator removing their vote to try and make them seem village. While I'm still mulling that over, I do think that if we have 3 eliminators, they're maybe more likely to not have vote manipulation, while if there happened to be only 2 eliminators, that there's a much higher chance of them having a vote manipulator. Which I think is more likely may affect my views of Swan and Croc but I've not come to a decision on that just yet I think...

Seeing Albatross's post just now, I'm curious about something.

Albatross: 8 posts - 2 per cycle, mostly non-comital, commenting on things that happen but not really engaging in the conversation. This cycle is the most they've contributed, and they've had a vote on them for most of the cycle.

Crocodile: 7 posts - 4 cycle one, 1 in each following cycle. Claims to be one of the people to ask Elandera about if Glory knew each other (like normal eliminator teams). Shared info about PMing with Vulture. I'm probably leaning slight village from reading through all their posts.

Dingo: 14 posts - 3 cycle one, 2 cycle two, 6 cycle three, 3 cycle 4 - first cycle was mostly trying to understand rules and poke votes. Disliked the poke votes and voting on inactives. This cycles posts maybe have a different feel to them, but I'm not sure if I'm reading too much into that.

Dragonfly: 6 posts - 3 cycle one, 1 cycle three, 2 cycle four. Initial thoughts were quite perceptive, and this cycle has tried to look at the voting patterns from last cycle. Tunnelling on Falcon. 

Falcon: 10 posts - 2 cycle one, 3 cycle two, 3 cycle three, 2 cycle four. Poke vote and retraction cycle one. Has been fairly open with sharing info in thread. Probably leaning village still on them for this reason.

Mouse: 8 posts - 3 cycle one, 1 cycle two, 1 cycle three, 3 cycle four. Only really basic speculation before this cycle. Their one large post this cycle is nice. Without it I would definitely lean elim on them for being active but not contributing. With it? Well, I'm leaning village on Croc and Falcon, so not sure. Still wary of them maybe.

Swan: 15 posts - 6 cycle one, 4 cycle two, 4 cycle three, 1 cycle four. They've not really said anything of value for most the game. Well... mostly speculation on if the game is faction or if there are any neutrals. Had a poke vote cycles one and two, with little reasoning behind them. They've basically claimed Rememberer, but I'm probably leaning elim on them.

Weasel: 8 posts - 2 cycle one, 5 cycle two, 1 cycle four. Has shared a few suspicions here and there, though could do with finishing their lists. Interstingly their suspicion list here are all dead now other than Mouse. Wouldn't mind getting their completed thoughts. Possibly slight elim lean on them.

So that's elim leans on Swan and Weasel. Might just do one more read through of some posts before putting down a vote.

Edit: I think I will go voting on Coral Swan. With no indication yet that there's any value to art beyond the fact a role that creates it exists, it feels like a role that could easily fit on a 3 player Elim team.

Edited September 17, 2019 by Cream Tuatara

[Mauve Crocodile]

Hmmm... OK. Albatross.

Out of everyone, the people I'm most suspicious of are Swan and Mouse. Mouse is a gut read, and they've been pretty hyperfocused on vote manipulations (admittedly, there hasn't been that much else to talk about so far, which is pretty frustrating) - I could imagine that kind of focus being an Eliminator trying to keep track of the threat of vote manipulations, which could make a big difference with the number of votes being as narrow as it is. Swan seems to be claiming Rememberer, which makes me suspicious - if there were 2 Rememberers, I think it would be more likely to have one villager and one Elim Rememberer than 2 Village Rememberers, though that probably depends slightly on what the art does, if it does anything at all, which seems to still be a mystery.

Unfortunately, neither of them have a vote on them already, and I'd prefer not to die this cycle... But I don't think Falcon or Dragonfly are the most suspicious right now...

Coral Swan. I trust my guesses based on role distributions more than my gut reads based on what's been posted in the thread.

[Azure Mouse]

I don’t quite understand the lynch against Swan. We’ve seen three roles: Head Arbiter, Striker, and Rememberer. Out of 18 players, it’s possible that there could be two Rememberers that are Village. 

Honestly, I don’t think the Croc lynch has much weight to it. I know I pushed for it, but it relies heavily on a lot of variables we can’t confirm. Ivory’s post is giving me really bad vibes.

 Ivory Dragonfly

Mauve Crocodile

[Elandera]

One hour left to submit any votes or actions!

[Indigo Weasel]

27 minutes ago, Cream Tuatara said:

Weasel: 8 posts - 2 cycle one, 5 cycle two, 1 cycle four. Has shared a few suspicions here and there, though could do with finishing their lists.

Yeah... I'm really sorry about that. I keep saying next time I sit at a computer I'll get it done, but I have been really struggling for motivation to do... anything, really, this week. Even my minimal posting has been a bit of a struggle for me.

Honestly, if I died, it would be a bit of a relief to me. :'(  

30 minutes ago, Cream Tuatara said:

Interstingly their suspicion list here are all dead now other than Mouse

Wait, really?
Lol
Well, sort of. I mean, I did only look at 4 players total, and looked at them in order of the player list, but that is pretty funny.

What would people think of lynching Mouse to complete the murderation of everyone on that list? xD

[Melon Dingo]

So, I think the votes are something like:

Dragonfly(2): Mouse, albatross

swan(2): croc, tuatara

falcon(1): dragonfly

croc(1): falcon

I looked over dragonfly and swan's posts. I agree with Tuatara on swan's posts, I think. I doubt I've said much of value here, but most of swan's responses in this cycle and the previous one where because of people(well, me) voting on them. They did have a reasonable response every time, but I'd think a villager would be more proactive in trying to find the wolves?

While dragonfly only has a couple of posts, but they seemed to be trying to figure out who is evil at least, so I think they might be village?

So I'm putting my vote back on Coral Swan.

[Elandera]

Turn is over. New one will be posted shortly.

[Elandera]

Delicate wings spread behind her back, moving gently forward and back as she stepped into the feast hall. Candlelight danced off the thin, translucent wiring that gave the wings its structure. It made her ivory dress glow with a soft light, and caught the eye of more than one masquerader. 

The dragonfly allowed herself to grin, knowing it would be mostly covered by the golden filigree mask. It was exactly the reaction she’d hoped when she’d begun designing the costume.

In a time of threat, one did not run. Stand tall and face whatever comes.

I’m here. Now come and get me.

The dragonfly flitted from conversation to conversation through the night. She watched closely to those she greeted. Nervous eyes glance around, suspicious of the unknown people behind the masks. Despite the doubt that edged its way into her mind, she kept her face serene and eyes confidently on whoever was speaking.

As the hours passed, she noticed more eyes glancing in her direction. More people whispering fervently as she left their circles.

“Do you think she’s one of them?”

“No one else would dare be so bold.”

“She has to be sending a message for the Glory faction. They think they’re close to finally taking control of the empire.”

No matter. She would not be cowed.

Nor would her accusers. The questions grew, and more eyes watched her. More people dispersed as she approached.

Soon, she stood alone, a pillar of fire in the center of the hall as the light played off her costume. The dragonfly did not flinch as the strikers came for her. She did not look down, or look away. She locked eyes with everyone who dared accuse her of treachery.

You will know soon. Hopefully before the empire falls.

---

The emperor watched sadly as the dragonfly was escorted from the hall. Another person whom he thought he could trust taken away to their death. He could only hope they were the real threat.

It must be done. For the Rose Empire.

The words were little comfort as he scanned the rest of the thinning crowd. His power was waning. 

Footsteps and shifting fabric warned him of someone stepping up beside him. Careful to avoid hitting the person with the crocodile jaws, he stepped back and turned.

A man in black robes and a porcelain white mask stood before him, hands clasped behind his back as he looked out over the gathering.

“Do you think all this is wise?” His quiet voice was muffled by the mask. 

The emperor held back a glare for man audacious enough to question him. He did not appreciate the criticism, but knew it would do no good to reveal himself.

“If nothing else, it gives the people hope as they see their leaders dwindle.”

“When was the last time you spent time with the people outside these halls, emperor?”

That gave him pause. Recovering quickly, he leveled a glare at the stranger. Criticism was one thing. This? This was sheer stupidity.

“The people love that we bring joy into their lives.”

“They’d rather have food on their tables. No matter. They will have a better emperor soon.”

“You dare threaten me?” The emperor felt his anger rise. He bared his teeth, feeling as though he were the crocodile he portrayed.

“We have you backed against a wall,” said the man in a calm voice. He turned slowly to face the emperor finally. “Either get out of the way or be crushed.”

“I will not–”

The man stepped forward, closing the gap between them before the emperor could react. “Then you will die.”

A thin rod of metal pierced through the tough skin of his costume and into his heart. Prongs on either side of the blade followed, hitting his lungs. The emperor tried to cry out, but could not force enough air out to do anything more than whisper and gasp.

The stranger held him for a second, driving the sai upward still. Pain shot through the emperor’s body as he collapsed, held upright only by the prongs.

“Die knowing you could not stop us.”

---

Ivory Dragonfly was lynched! They were a member of the Heritage Faction
Mauve Crocodile was killed! They were the Emperor.

Vote Count:

Coral Swan (2) - Cream Tuatara, Mauve Crocodile, Melon Dingo
Emerald Falcon (1) - Ivory Dragonfly
Ivory Dragonfly (2) - Azure Mouse, Magenta Albatross
Mauve Crocodile (1) - Emerald Falcon

Player Count

Spoiler

1. Amber Vulture Head Arbiter of the Heritage Faction
2. Amethyst Scorpion Rememberer of the Heritage Faction
3. Azure Mouse
4. Charcoal Hyena Heritage Faction
5. Chartreuse Penguin Heritage Faction
6. Coral Swan
7. Cream Tuatara
8. Emerald Falcon
9. Fuchsia Ostrich Striker of the Heritage Faction
10. Indigo Weasel
11. Ivory Dragonfly Heritage Faction
12. Magenta Albatross
13. Mauve Crocodile Emperor
14. Melon Dingo
15. Mint Heron Heritage Faction

Revealed Rules and Roles

Spoiler

Head Arbiter of the Heritage Faction - Change the vote of someone who’s already voted
Rememberer - Has a 50% chance to receive an order to create a piece of art each turn. They cannot use the art, but can send it to other players
Striker - Has access to a kill they can use up to three times per game
Emperor - Redirect an action onto another target

Reminder: Rules for Anonymous Accounts:

Spoiler

There are a number of rules associated with the use of an Anonymous Account. Please follow them carefully. Given the potential for abuse of Anonymous Accounts, any rule breaking using the accounts will be dealt with harshly.

1) Do not change the password of the anonymous account you are issued.

2) Do not use the anonymous accounts to PM any non-anonymous account, other than the account of the GM. Please do not use your normal accounts to PM anonymous accounts.

3) Do not change anything cosmetic about the accounts, including member title, username, signature, and avatar.

4) Do not reveal your identity or explicitly claim to be another player.

Please check which account you are on prior to submitting a post on the thread. If you do post from the wrong account, tag a moderator (Fifth Scholar or Alvron first) so it can be addressed as quickly as possible.

Rule Reminder:
PMs are open
No vote minimum
Tied lynches will be decided at random and one person will be lynched

This cycle will close Thursday, September 19th at 11 a.m. PST

Edited September 18, 2019 by Elandera

[Indigo Weasel]

@Melon Dingo Was it Croc who told you this, or someone else?

[Melon Dingo]

12 minutes ago, Indigo Weasel said:

@Melon Dingo Was it Croc who told you this, or someone else?

Ehm yes, it was. I don't know if they told anyone else, but they did say they where going to PM Coral swan as well to see if they could get them to own up about their role (though they later PM'd me that Swan hadn't responded yet). I don't know if they claimed their role to swan or anyone else though.

edit: waitwaitwaitwaitwait @Elandera. Penguin is alive according to the current player list. Does that mean there is a role that can restore people back to life and functionality? That'd be awesome, and also helpful because we know that penguin is heritage.

Edited September 17, 2019 by Melon Dingo

[Elandera]

8 minutes ago, Melon Dingo said:

Ehm yes, it was. I don't know if they told anyone else, but they did say they where going to PM Coral swan as well to see if they could get them to own up about their role (though they later PM'd me that Swan hadn't responded yet). I don't know if they claimed their role to swan or anyone else though.

edit: waitwaitwaitwaitwait @Elandera. Penguin is alive according to the current player list. Does that mean there is a role that can restore people back to life and functionality? That'd be awesome, and also helpful because we know that penguin is heritage.

Oh, no. That was a mistake in my copying process. I'll fix it now. Thanks for finding it!

[Emerald Falcon]

@Elandera, was it intentional that my vote on Mauve Crocodile was removed from the write-up?

[Melon Dingo]

4 minutes ago, Elandera said:

Oh, no. That was a mistake in my copying process. I'll fix it now. Thanks for finding it!

Awwww, I'd been hoping for a Shai-like forger role.

[Elandera]

Just now, Emerald Falcon said:

@Elandera, was it intentional that my vote on Mauve Crocodile was removed from the write-up?

Nope . I just missed it in my spreadsheet. (I'm too tired for this )

[Coral Swan]

Quote

Swan: 15 posts - 6 cycle one, 4 cycle two, 4 cycle three, 1 cycle four. They've not really said anything of value for most the game. Well... mostly speculation on if the game is faction or if there are any neutrals. Had a poke vote cycles one and two, with little reasoning behind them. They've basically claimed Rememberer, but I'm probably leaning elim on them.

Quote

Edit: I think I will go voting on Coral Swan. With no indication yet that there's any value to art beyond the fact a role that creates it exists, it feels like a role that could easily fit on a 3 player Elim team.

Quote

Swan seems to be claiming Rememberer, which makes me suspicious - if there were 2 Rememberers, I think it would be more likely to have one villager and one Elim Rememberer than 2 Village Rememberers, though that probably depends slightly on what the art does, if it does anything at all, which seems to still be a mystery.

I am not a Rememberer!  I am a Bloodsealer in the Heritage faction.  I am able to make a skeletal each turn.  I can sacrifice a skeletal to roleblock a player.

Edited September 17, 2019 by Coral Swan

[Emerald Falcon]

8 minutes ago, Coral Swan said:

Quote

I think I will go voting on Coral Swan. With no indication yet that there's any value to art beyond the fact a role that creates it exists, it feels like a role that could easily fit on a 3 player Elim team.

I am not a Rememberer!  I am a Bloodsealer in the Heritage faction.  I am able to make a skeletal each turn.  I can sacrifice a skeletal to roleblock a player.

I can confirm that the items that I picked up are just for flavor. They have no use to anyone. Elandera was only trying to help a sad, roleless player enjoy themselves. Ok, so at this point, we are likely 4-3. That means that there are likely three people who are willing to vote together, as long as one of the remaining four does not vote on an elim. Also, all of the remaining 4 must vote together to stop an elim hammer.

I'm willing to believe Swan's claim, and I have put Tuatara as village as well. If those two trust each other. That leaves me with the options of Mouse, Weasel, Albatross, and Dingo. If I'm right about Tuatara and Swan, then three of those four are Elim.

If we can get one person as an elim that most of us agree on, that would be the person to vote for. Until I can perform further analysis, I would be willing to vote for any of those four.  

 

Edited September 17, 2019 by Emerald Falcon

[Cream Tuatara]

I'm really not happy about the vote removed from the Swan lynch... I need to think...

@Coral Swan This would be a good cycle to stop making the things and use one then. You've got a 1 in 3 chance of blocking the kill or stopping the infernal vote remover from messing with another lynch. Either is probably a good thing at this point.

@Emerald Falcon I'd lean towards Mouse or Weasel of those four.

Edited September 17, 2019 by Cream Tuatara

[Melon Dingo]

12 hours ago, Coral Swan said:

I am not a Rememberer!  I am a Bloodsealer in the Heritage faction.  I am able to make a skeletal each turn.  I can sacrifice a skeletal to roleblock a player.

Oof, if this is true, then I apologize for almost lynching you. Even if we make a mistake now, a couple of lucky roleblocks could  mean we still pull through.

Regarding the wolves, I'm really not sure. I don't think I want to lynch swan because if they have the role they claim, they might be really important if we don't lynch a wolf today, or the wolves have some form of vote manipulation, but they didn't really seem to be hunting for wolves in the thread. On the other hand, just about everyone else has done work to find the wolves, or at least pretended to do so, so that's not really a helpful metric.

I think I'm most suspicious of Falcon, mouse and Albatross? Albatross hasn't really said much, while falcon and mouse where both voting for crocodile with really strange reasoning. @Emerald Falcon, you still haven't explained why crocodile getting their votes removed made him look evil.

[Emerald Falcon]

Because it had happened twice on a person Mauve had voted on, I thought it was more likely that Mauve was cancelling his vote in some way or another. It could have been a simple remove, or he may have been able to place a hidden vote. Knowing that we had failed to lynch an Elim so far, I thought that it was a decent possibility that there was vote manipulation on the elim team, and this seemed to be a likely candidate.

 

[Cream Tuatara]

Okay. I think I'm ready to put a vote down on Azure Mouse.

Already someone I was borderline suspicious of on my suspicion list from last cycle, I nevertheless asked communicated some info to them in PMs towards the end of last cycle because I was unsure and willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. They acknowledged my message around 27 hours ago, but didn't follow up. 13 hours ago I prompted them for a response, which they saw 12 hours ago. I have since seen them on 10 hours ago and 3 hours ago, and have yet to respond. As I was passing on some information that would be useful for working against the eliminators, and the response I was looking could have been satisfied with a yes or no, it worries me that I've not gotten a response, when we're almost halfway through this cycle and this is probably the most important one of the game. Feels to me like an eliminator choosing to delay their response to prevent village from acting on it, when a villager should have been able to easily respond. Add on the fact that Dingo and Falcon have also expressed suspicion of Mouse, so unless anyone has a better idea, that's where I'm going to vote.

[Melon Dingo]

2 minutes ago, Cream Tuatara said:

Already someone I was borderline suspicious of on my suspicion list from last cycle, I nevertheless asked communicated some info to them in PMs towards the end of last cycle because I was unsure and willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. They acknowledged my message around 27 hours ago, but didn't follow up. 13 hours ago I prompted them for a response, which they saw 12 hours ago. I have since seen them on 10 hours ago and 3 hours ago, and have yet to respond. As I was passing on some information that would be useful for working against the eliminators, and the response I was looking could have been satisfied with a yes or no, it worries me that I've not gotten a response, when we're almost halfway through this cycle and this is probably the most important one of the game. Feels to me like an eliminator choosing to delay their response to prevent village from acting on it, when a villager should have been able to easily respond. Add on the fact that Dingo and Falcon have also expressed suspicion of Mouse, so unless anyone has a better idea, that's where I'm going to vote.

Could you share what you asked them? Because this kinda reads like 'I send them a thing, but they didn't send a thing back, and that'd have been a simple and important thing, so I'm suspicious', and that's not very helpful  

@Emerald Falcon, So are you saying that you thought that Mauve had an ability that allowed them to only remove their own vote, and that was somehow a role an elim would likely have? Because I'm still failing at following your reasoning here.

[Cream Tuatara]

23 minutes ago, Melon Dingo said:

Could you share what you asked them? Because this kinda reads like 'I send them a thing, but they didn't send a thing back, and that'd have been a simple and important thing, so I'm suspicious', and that's not very helpful  

@Emerald Falcon, So are you saying that you thought that Mauve had an ability that allowed them to only remove their own vote, and that was somehow a role an elim would likely have? Because I'm still failing at following your reasoning here.

Maybe I'll PM you. Not sure if I'm ready to share the details in thread just yet.

My take on it was that there seems to be someone who is able to remove a vote from someone else. Village vote manipulators tend to not use their abilities unless they feel strongly about someone involved in the lynch (like being threatened themselves). There's been no indication that that's the case. Eliminators however know who their allies are, and when they're not threatened, they can use their ability on whoever they want because it doesn't really concern them exactly who is lynched. And that's much more how it looks like the vote remover has been using their ability. If you view the vote remover as being an eliminator then, would you expect the votes they remove to be villager votes, or eliminator votes? If you think that having your vote removed by an eliminator makes someone seem sorta village, then it could be a good tactic to do it to yourself, when it doesn't matter, to try and gain some trust.

It was certainly something I was thinking about earlier, and brought up a couple of times, but it's basically playing the IKYK game. I don't know if that's exactly what Falcon was saying, but that was my take on it at least.

[Melon Dingo]

Tuatara send me a PM with some details on the reasons behind their suspicion, and I think I get it a bit better now. It's enough for me to put my vote on Azure mouse for now when combined with my suspicion that mouse and falcon where trying to get croc lynched to get rid of the emperor without having to risk a kill getting redirected, at any rate.

Edited September 18, 2019 by Melon Dingo

[Emerald Falcon]

I'll add my vote onto Azure Mouse for now, though I would still like to hear from Coral Swan as to their suspicions, as they are the other person I'm willing to trust this cycle.