Coral Swan Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 5 hours ago, Mauve Crocodile said: There is almost certainly at least one neutral role in the game - the Forger is likely neutral, given that what they do is illegal in the source material. There may be more beyond that, as well. If Indigo Weasel comes online soon, I'd like to hear from them. Eh, I'm not so sure about the Forger being neutral. The Heritage Faction used Forgers to create works of art and stuff. 29 minutes ago, Cream Tuatara said: And it begins! That's actually quite interesting. I had assumed from the green and red for Heritage and Glory that we were looking at normal village v eliminators, but it actually says nothing about the Glory faction being eliminators with a 'night' kill either. And like you say, the wording seems to suggest multiple factions. I suppose, what's the point of a blackout game if there aren't interesting secrets? As we wait for the west coast to wake up, I'll let my vote rest on Fuchsia Ostrich. I think you forgot to colour your vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cream Tuatara Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, Coral Swan said: Eh, I'm not so sure about the Forger being neutral. The Heritage Faction used Forgers to create works of art and stuff. I think you forgot to colour your vote. Oops. Fuchsia Ostrich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amber Vulture Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 (edited) Mweh. I must go, my people need me! I agree with Coral Swan and Ivory Dragonfly and Mauve Crocodile. Blackout rules and suspiciously-phrased wincons look to me like there might be third factions or more or maybe sstretching it a bit to say 'third faction' maybe its just a lone wolf with a separate special wincon Coral Swan, Black Swan we know what the known unknowns are but what about the unknown unknowns I like my picture I am pretty birb Edited September 10, 2019 by Amber Vulture forgot crocoD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coral Swan Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 17 minutes ago, Amber Vulture said: Mweh. I must go, my people need me! I agree with Coral Swan and Ivory Dragonfly and Mauve Crocodile. Blackout rules and suspiciously-phrased wincons look to me like there might be third factions or more or maybe sstretching it a bit to say 'third faction' maybe its just a lone wolf with a separate special wincon Coral Swan, Black Swan we know what the known unknowns are but what about the unknown unknowns I like my picture I am pretty birb Birds are definitely very nice and I agree that we are very pretty birbs. Also, I think that that a third faction would probably be small, given the number of players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure Mouse Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 The premise of this game seems very political, with all of the factions and all. What if there is a way to convert players using influence? It would match the vibe I’m getting from the Glory Faction’s push for dominance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo Weasel Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 Hello everyone! Sorry I'm late! Hmm, good catch Dragonfly. The public rules do seem like they are possibly trying to mislead us. 5 hours ago, Amber Vulture said: I agree with Coral Swan and Ivory Dragonfly and Mauve Crocodile. Blackout rules and suspiciously-phrased wincons look to me like there might be third factions or more or maybe sstretching it a bit to say 'third faction' maybe its just a lone wolf with a separate special wincon Idk how many factions there would be though, as anyone in a non-public faction would immediately understand the nature of the game, where the people in the two public ones would have to figure it out. It would make more sense to me if there was a third "neutral" faction (like some people have already mentioned) which would win/lose independently of the other 2. It's also possible that instead of a third neutral faction, there are many neutral roles, each having abilities that would affect the other two factions. I don't feel like it will just be a single lone wolf though. As the wording of the public wincons are: Quote The Heritage Faction: A new threat has arisen against the Heritage Faction’s hold on the Rose Empire. The leaders must unite and remain strong if they wish to keep their hold of the empire. To win, eliminate all threats against your faction. The Glory Faction: The Heritage Faction has been in power for far too long. It is finally time to carry out years of planning. It’s time to bring down their reign. To win, eliminate anything that threatens to thwart your plans. Emphasis mine. It would seem to me that both groups likely have more things threatening them than just each other. A single neutral could do this, but it would imo, make more sense to have 3/4 neutrals instead. My picture is cute... But not as cute as my last one. ; ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuchsia Ostrich Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 10 minutes ago, Indigo Weasel said: Idk how many factions there would be though, as anyone in a non-public faction would immediately understand the nature of the game, where the people in the two public ones would have to figure it out. It would make more sense to me if there was a third "neutral" faction (like some people have already mentioned) which would win/lose independently of the other 2. It's also possible that instead of a third neutral faction, there are many neutral roles, each having abilities that would affect the other two factions. If the two public factions need to eliminate one or more players in order to win, those players are automatically a third faction regardless of quantity. True neutrals should be able to win with a public faction. Secret lose conditions(e.g. three Arbiters have died, so the Anarchist(s) win and everybody else loses, tend to at least have some forewarning, e.g. the arbiters know somebody is after them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coral Swan Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 5 hours ago, Azure Mouse said: The premise of this game seems very political, with all of the factions and all. What if there is a way to convert players using influence? It would match the vibe I’m getting from the Glory Faction’s push for dominance. That is a possibility, and it is slightly backed by this quote: Quote The leaders must unite and remain strong if they wish to keep their hold of the empire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cream Tuatara Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 Well Ostrich turned up at least. It's over halfway through the cycle and we've not seen the following yet. Amethyst Scorpion Chartreuse Penguin Magenta Albatross Mint Heron I'll move my vote there for the moment... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure Mouse Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 (edited) Well, I don't think we'll know how many factions there are until at least next cycle, once the ball starts rolling. I'm a bit excited to see what roles might be in here. Also, Magenta Albatross. Do you have any predictions about roles or distribution? Edited September 11, 2019 by Azure Mouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coral Swan Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 I think I will vote on Amethyst Scorpion. I would like to see something from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magenta Albatross Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 Hey guys! Sorry for the lack of posting, for some reason I thought this game started tomorrow, and I missed the pm. 2 hours ago, Azure Mouse said: Also, Magenta Albatross. Do you have any predictions about roles or distribution? Nope, I have no idea! Maybe there’s 3 elims, 2 Neutral and the rest Village? I honestly have no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elandera Posted September 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 I've been seeing/getting quite a few questions about the format of this game. This game does fall into the more classical village/elim format. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivory Dragonfly Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 17 minutes ago, Elandera said: I've been seeing/getting quite a few questions about the format of this game. This game does fall into the more classical village/elim format. Ah that is good to know. Thank you! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mauve Crocodile Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 I was one of the people to ask those questions, and can confirm the Glory Faction knows who the other Glory Faction members are. Indigo Weasel, Mint Heron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amber Vulture Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 Birbs everywhere all over the thread i see Anyways deilicious more classical elim/village format so potentially several loanwolves with conditions i git corrected or flap correctd tq indigo weasle Vhich leaves wrigglyworm room for winconsbut im fine with that for now Sseeming classical format all we work with can For now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melon Dingo Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 So, I'm not following the reasons for all the votes currently being thrown around? They seem almost random to me. Since it seems like the 'blackout' format means there are some secrets, so based on the book maybe there's an independent MaiPon faction? Though I can't imagine what they would need to do to win in game-terms. Maybe have one or the other faction win with their support somehow so thatt hey are in a position to increase the independence of their home, maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mauve Crocodile Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, Melon Dingo said: So, I'm not following the reasons for all the votes currently being thrown around? They seem almost random to me. They're nearly all votes on inactives who haven't come online at this stage - the theory is it discourages people trying to hide by not posting. That said, I'll probably move my vote before rollover because inactive votes are rarely useful in providing information. As for an independent MaiPon faction, that's definitely possible. I'm think it's more likely that there's an independent Neutral or two at this stage, however, simply because I don't think there's enough players for an entire hidden faction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coral Swan Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 3 hours ago, Melon Dingo said: So, I'm not following the reasons for all the votes currently being thrown around? They seem almost random to me. Since it seems like the 'blackout' format means there are some secrets, so based on the book maybe there's an independent MaiPon faction? Though I can't imagine what they would need to do to win in game-terms. Maybe have one or the other faction win with their support somehow so thatt hey are in a position to increase the independence of their home, maybe? Elandera said that this was a classical village/eliminator game, so I do not think that there is an independent faction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magenta Albatross Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 9 hours ago, Elandera said: I've been seeing/getting quite a few questions about the format of this game. This game does fall into the more classical village/elim format. Thank you, glad to see the predict was at least slightly correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerald Falcon Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 (edited) Guys, I've been thinking. I know nothing almost nothing about the rules. I don't feel comfortable voting for people yet this cycle, because I don't know if the consequences will even be normal. Mint Heron. Also, @ing people to tag them won't work to spark their inactivity because if they're inactive on their own account, they will definitely be inactive on their anonymous account. Edited September 11, 2019 by Emerald Falcon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magenta Albatross Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Emerald Falcon said: Also, @ing people to tag them won't work to spark their inactivity because if they're inactive on their own account, they will definitely be inactive on their anonymous account. Agreed. Pokes definitely become less effective with anon accounts. Random role theorizing idea, based on pure and utter speculation: We know that this game does have a more traditional elims vs. vill set up, but we do not know why this game needs to be anon. This is my speculation as to why. I’m guessing that both sides have access to forgers. Forgers (I’m guessing) have the ability to forge people, both themselves and others. They can change the identities of people, forging them into new accounts or roles that give them access to new abilities. They may start with a limited amount of soulstone (I have no idea if that’s the right name. Whatever they use to make soulstamps), and the level of forgery requires more or less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elandera Posted September 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 There is about one hour left in the turn. Get your votes and actions in now. Remember, there is no vote minimum. Vote Count: Amber Vulture (1) - Charcoal Hyena Amethyst Scorpion (1) - Coral Swan Chartreuse Penguin (1) - Cream Tuatara Magenta Albatross (1) - Azure Mouse Mint Heron (1) - Mauve Crocodile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melon Dingo Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 Ehm, what happens on a tie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elandera Posted September 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, Melon Dingo said: Ehm, what happens on a tie? One person is lynched at random of those in the tie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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