stormbourne Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 what name do you think the greater shards will be called we have harmony so far but what do you think the other 119 combinations could be called? i like discipline being odium+honour 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, stormbourne said: discipline being odium+honour That sounds more like Vengeance(Cultivation calls Dalinar child of Odium and Child of Honor based on his actions at The Rift). The different Honor Cultivation Combinations are the Radiant spren. Edited August 25, 2019 by Karger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elegy Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 Cultivation and Honor combined would probably be Radiance, yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthless of Shinovar Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 Ambition and Dominion would be unstoppable, but I don’t know what their name would be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elegy Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 Ambition and Dominion combined would probably be ... Capitalism? And Ambition and Odium would be called Evil (very obvious winking). 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsecaller_17.5 Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) Honor and Odium: Retribution Odium and Devotion: Passion Ambition and Dominion: Conquest Devotion and Dominion: Nobility Dominion and Odium: Tyranny Ambition and Honor: Discipline Autonomy and Dominion: Democracy Cultivation and Ruin: Transition Devotion and Honor: Loyalty And wouldn’t it be other 239? 16 x 15 - 1? Edited August 26, 2019 by Truthwatcher_17.5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twenty second of the sun Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 I don't think Devotion and Dominion would necessarily be called the shard of Nobility , We have seen on multiple occasions that nobility is rarely associated with a devotion the the people they govern . I would say that dominion and devotion would be the shard Benevolence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsecaller_17.5 Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, twenty second of the sun said: I don't think Devotion and Dominion would necessarily be called the shard of Nobility , We have seen on multiple occasions that nobility is rarely associated with a devotion the the people they govern . I would say that dominion and devotion would be the shard Benevolence My thought was benevolent rule. Not necessarily how nobles behave, but rather the perfect and ideal for how they should behave. Edit: to clarify a good leader is devoted to those he leads Edited August 26, 2019 by Truthwatcher_17.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezzik Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 2 hours ago, Truthwatcher_17.5 said: wouldn’t it be other 239? 16 x 15 - 1? If you include shards we don't know yet. Here is an old thread with a spreadsheet and everything. https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/52846-combined-shards/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormbourne Posted August 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 5 hours ago, Truthwatcher_17.5 said: Honor and Odium: Retribution Odium and Devotion: Passion Ambition and Dominion: Conquest Devotion and Dominion: Nobility Dominion and Odium: Tyranny Ambition and Honor: Discipline Autonomy and Dominion: Democracy Cultivation and Ruin: Transition Devotion and Honor: Loyalty And wouldn’t it be other 239? 16 x 15 - 1? the the combination of greater shards that are a mix of two shards is 15+14+13.....+2+1=120-1 cause harmony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TheFoxQR Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 Dominion + Honor -> Reign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsecaller_17.5 Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 9 hours ago, stormbourne said: the the combination of greater shards that are a mix of two shards is 15+14+13.....+2+1=120-1 cause harmony Right, I see it now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twenty second of the sun Posted August 28, 2019 Report Share Posted August 28, 2019 what would be the difference between Honor + Dominion and Devotion + Dominion ? then and if you say reign then I will have to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philomath Posted August 28, 2019 Report Share Posted August 28, 2019 I have a head cannon that Devotion+Dominion= Zeal. No one has speculated with Endowment yet. Endowment+Devotion= Grace or Condescension Endowment+Honor=Loyalty (though I like that one better as Devotion+Honor) or maybe Promise Endowment+Odium= Corruption, Infection, Virulence Endowment+Autonomy= Freedom, Salvation, Rebellion Endowment+Ambition= Glory? Pride? Ascension? Inspiration? Cultivation is a little hard to combine. Everything I think of combining it with just basically becomes... Cultivation. So a few slightly less than serious Cultivation options: Endowment+Cultivation= Teacher Cultivation+Dominion=Imperialism Cultivation+(hypothetical shard) Ingenuity= Industrialization, Mad Scientist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsecaller_17.5 Posted August 29, 2019 Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 I know the reasoning behind Honor+Cultivation being Radiance but I don’t like it just because it doesn’t say anything about their intent. I only have rough ideas but maybe Promotion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted August 29, 2019 Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 (edited) On 8/25/2019 at 7:15 PM, Truthless of Shinovar said: Ambition and Dominion would be unstoppable, but I don’t know what their name would be Unstoppable duh. 12 minutes ago, Truthwatcher_17.5 said: I know the reasoning behind Honor+Cultivation being Radiance but I don’t like it just because it doesn’t say anything about their intent. I only have rough ideas but maybe Promotion? Communism(the literal rather then soviet sense of the word)? Development(most positive human interactions are based on these two intents after all)? Edited August 29, 2019 by Karger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vindo Posted August 29, 2019 Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 Im trying to think what would make Valor. Maybe Honor + Ambition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantus Posted August 29, 2019 Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 9 hours ago, Vindo said: Im trying to think what would make Valor. Maybe Honor + Ambition? Hmm... given the martial overtones of Valor, I think Valor=Honor + Devotion + Odium [+Ambition] Though I suppose it would all depend on the Host's interpretations of each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormbourne Posted August 29, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 15 hours ago, Vindo said: Im trying to think what would make Valor. Maybe Honor + Ambition? A knight is sworn to valour, His heart knows only virtue, His blade defends the helpless, His might upholds the weak, His word speaks only truth, HIS WRATH UNDOES THE WICKED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philomath Posted August 29, 2019 Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 20 hours ago, Vindo said: Im trying to think what would make Valor. Maybe Honor + Ambition? Maybe Honor+Preservation? I could see that as Courage or Valor or Protection. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elegy Posted August 30, 2019 Report Share Posted August 30, 2019 12 hours ago, Philomath said: Maybe Honor+Preservation? I could see that as Courage or Valor or Protection. Courage is something associated with change/the willingness to inspire change in my book, so I'd rather associate it with Ruin and/or Cultivation. I guess Dependability would make sense for Preservation and Honor - Stoneward style. But Protection also works! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormbourne Posted September 2, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2019 what would foresight be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bxcnch Posted September 16, 2019 Report Share Posted September 16, 2019 On 8/26/2019 at 2:12 AM, Truthwatcher_17.5 said: Autonomy and Dominion: Democracy The way I understand Autonomy's intent I'd suggest Anarchy instead. In Anarchy, everybody is governing only themselves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsecaller_17.5 Posted September 16, 2019 Report Share Posted September 16, 2019 17 minutes ago, bxcnch said: The way I understand Autonomy's intent I'd suggest Anarchy instead. In Anarchy, everybody is governing only themselves. I like that, that’s much better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted September 17, 2019 Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 Personally, I think that the shard names we know are flawed to begin with. As I've stated plainly elsewhere, I think that Unity is a reinterpretation of Honor. Because of this, I don't think judging what these combinations would accurately be called is possible. For instance, take a look at Harmony. Ruin is deatruction/decay/entropy/death. Preservation is stasis/stillness/persistence /maintenance. Ruin is inherently negative. Preservation is neutral. A balance between the two should not be Harmony. It should still be negative. Harmony is the way in which Sazed interprets and balances those two forces within himself, not so much what he truly is. Between the fact that I think the names of the Shards we know are just the interpretations of something deeper by the original Vessels, and that Harmony seems to be more a relational description than an accurate new intent, I think we're in for some very big surprises in the future that will upset what we think we know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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