Fractalfire Posted November 3, 2019 Report Share Posted November 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Lunu’anaki said: If that is the case it could also mean that Odium has taken it upon himself to eliminate any Shards which break the original agreement, seeing as he eliminated Devotion and Dominion early on and went after Cultivation and Honor soon after. We know from the letters that these Shards broke the agreement by staying together rather than going their own separate ways. Interestingly, WoB says that Honor did NOT break the agreement (and it wasn't even a loophole). Quote Mason Wheeler One of the Letters in Oathbringer suggests that the Shards had a pact to all go their separate ways. And some of them held to it and some of them didn't? Brandon Sanderson Yes. Mason Wheeler Out of all of them, how is it possible that one of the ones that didn't is the one whose nature is to obsessively keep your word at all costs? Brandon Sanderson He would argue that he kept his word. Mason Wheeler Okay, so loophole. Brandon Sanderson He wouldn't even call it a loophole. Legion Release Party (Sept. 19, 2018) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunu’anaki Posted November 4, 2019 Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 5 hours ago, Fractalfire said: Interestingly, WoB says that Honor did NOT break the agreement (and it wasn't even a loophole). Well, Honor thinks that, but Endowment doesn’t seem to, and who knows what Odium thinks of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fractalfire Posted November 4, 2019 Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Lunu’anaki said: Well, Honor thinks that, but Endowment doesn’t seem to, and who knows what Odium thinks of it. Hmm... She only mentions Aona and Skai as having broken the pact. Perhaps Honor (and maybe Cultivation) did not agree to the terms? Oh wait... she actually says "It was agreed that we would not interfere with one another." Perhaps the only thing explicitly forbidden was interfering with another Shard and Endowment just disapproves of them settling on the same planet because of the likelihood of that going wrong.. In which case, Honor would be fine with Cultivation so long as he did not stop any of her plans. Edited November 4, 2019 by Fractalfire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunu’anaki Posted November 4, 2019 Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Fractalfire said: Hmm... She only mentions Aona and Skai as having broken the pact. Perhaps Honor (and maybe Cultivation) did not agree to the terms? Oh wait... she actually says "It was agreed that we would not interfere with one another." Perhaps the only thing explicitly forbidden was interfering with another Shard and Endowment just disapproves of them settling on the same planet. In which case, Honor would be fine with Cultivation so long as he did not stop any of her plans. Ahhh good point. Well, hopefully we get some more info on the shard's agreement from Hoid or someone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honorless Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 On 11/4/2019 at 2:11 AM, Lunu’anaki said: Is it possible that a shards broken promise leads directly to their death? I have a couple of theories on this: 1. It could be that there's something inherent in the nature of all Shards, that causes them to became slowly unraveled, or untied from there connection with the power upon the event that they break a promise to another Shard. Perhaps something leftover from Adonalsium? A rule he left in place to never break a promise he made to himself, or to anyone? 2. It could be linked to the agreement the shards made with eachother when they took up the Shards in the first place. A binding contract of some kind that limits them or conducts how they interact with each other. There's this interesting WoB: Quote Questioner All the Shards basically agreed not to settle on the same planet. Six of them - that we know of - immediately, basically broke that. Brandon Sanderson So... they did not make an oath to it. There was a suggestion made... and perhaps the people who made the suggestion did not understand that, if you want the Shards to do something, you need an actual Oath. And they did not get one. Tel Aviv Signing (Oct. 18, 2019) i don't think the Mist Spirit's case should be taken as an example. It was Leras but it was also Leras' Cognitive Shadow. Leras sacrificed a large chunk of his Cognitive self to create Ruin's prison, what was left was a Cognitive impression. Leras was dead, in a way, but he also hadn't died yet, as we see in HoA and Secret History. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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