The kandra blessings : Did we get the spikes wrong ?

[Friendshipspren]

Ok , hey , I'm a new guy . Joined today actually. Hum, please move this to the proper section if I post this into a wrong forum or something. And I confess that it's probably wrong since there are WoBs directly contradicting my theories about the hemalurgic metals. (Can someone send me those if u have them ? )  Still I thought it made an interesting theory .So here's my theory :

So I was looking through the wiki and found that the 4 blessings were listed as hemalurgic iron , tin , zinc and copper.

But I disagree. the mistwraiths were created from full feruchemists , so I think they needed a part of a feruchemist's spiritweb to work on a Kandra. So I think the reason there were so few Kandra in each generation was because u needed hemalurgic spikes made by killing feruchemists. 

Therefore the four blessings would be :

A). The blessing of strength was H-Pewter, which steals feruchemical physical powers.

B). The blessing of awareness was H-Brass, which steals feruchemical cognitive powers .

C). The blessing of presence was H-gold , which steals feruchemical hybrid powers 

D). The blessing of stability was H-aluminium , which steals all powers.

Points in favor of my theory :

1). Hemalurgic copper , iron , zinc and tin steal human charecteristics. Normal humans. Not metalborn. Tlr didn't really care much about skaa and used them to make spikes indiscriminately for creating koloss. Why then limit the number of Kandra per generation to a hundred ? More Kandra meant more loyal subjects and spies and better atium Management and conservation. 

2). Feruchemists on the other hand were rare , rarer than allomancers. Hence it would make sense why so few spikes were available to the kandra.

3).If the Kandra were rebellious , wouldn't they just steal spikes from like the treasury or from the koloss or by killing or mercykilling humans ,( I mean hey there were lots of impoverished or crippled skaa who would have been almost dead due to starvation , the mistsnapping , war , gang violence or tlr's general tyranny , who could euthanized as an act of Mercy during era 1 . And even during era 2 ) and make more Kandra ? I mean , that seems like a serious lapse in security by tlr.

4). Why are Kandra with the blessing of stability so rare ? I mean , zinc spikes should be as common as iron. Wouldn't it make more sense if this blessing was due to aluminum , a rare metal which might have been experimentally used a few times and then abandoned , due to lack of the resource.

5). I think , that aluminum is perhaps the most stable and inert of all the metals. Something that is immune to all ( ?? ) forms of investiture. Wouldn't it make sense that this would grant the blessing of stability which supposedly makes a Kandra less susceptible to external control.

6). Marasi notes that Ru Luur's spike was probably pewter.

7). In many ways it seems Kandra are superior to humans . They are usually peaceful , great at defense , functionally immortal , can change morphology to suit thier professions  

( Spoiler for WoR )

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much like the singers and thier forms.

Indeed , if it weren't for the mind control.

( spoiler for oathbringer )

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 They could easily drive humans to extinction,  much like how humans drove singers to near extinction on roshar.

It seems callous of Rashek to ignore this possiblity. With allomancy becoming weaker with every generation , knowledge of mind control and duralumin being suppressed and tlr himself running out of both sanity  and his atium compounding efficiency , it might have been possible for Kandra to rise in rebellion. Even assassinate tlr and the Inquisitors themselves. Especially , if Paalm revealed how easy it was to infiltrate the ranks of the Inquisitors. Marsh did the same thing too remember. Several of the younger generations clamored for change and the kandra themselves hated being sequestered in some dank caves.

Points against my theory :

1). Perhaps tlr was afraid of Kandra overrunning humans . Or didn't wanna overcrowd them in the pits and hence limited the number of new ones per generation . 

2). Even if the Kandra were rebellious , it should have been easy for tlr , the Inquisitors , mistborn or soother mobs to get them under control. But then again , perhaps they might have removed one spike in order to remain immune to mind control , but it would have been harrowing for the kandra.

3). There seems to be WoBs stating that it was the normal power stealing H-spikes , ie, zinc ,tin,etc ,that were the blessings. This is , if true ,actually the most damning piece of evidence against my theory.

 4). Then there's the possibility that the kandra were never a security risk. I mean even 3 centuries after the catacendre  , most Kandra are peaceful and Van Dell just simply hates violence. It seems only the third generation and a few like MeLaan are the exceptions. They might actually hate themselves for being hemalurgic creations, but still if all one needs is a iron spike , then couldn't they mercykill some humans  and create young ones or scrounge some from s dead or dying koloss ? 

Potential possiblities if my theory is true :

1). Sazed is afraid of the kandra. Hence he has had the mistwraiths eradicated , resusticated into humans or atleast removed from thier sentient brethren. Whether the kandra like this or not is impossible to foresee. 

2). On one hand , the kandra seem to be peaceful creatures who willingly choose suicide even tho they are immortal.

3). On the other hand , the kandra have had centuries of practice acting and hiding thier true feelings. Then there was the dream / religious prophecy Ten Soon told Vin about Kandra ruling Scadrial once all the humans were dead. Paalm's anger at Sazed might have been atleast partially due to Sazed's oppression of the kandra. In some ways , Sazed's treatment of the kandra is worse than tlr's.

4). Perhaps some Kandra are truly loyal to Sazed , but as we saw in HoA , not all Kandra have the same view. So perhaps it's possible that some factions among the kandra including the world Hoppers?? are planning to oust him and gain control of Scadrial. Perhaps that's how Paalm first came in contact with Trell . Perhaps the ' faceless immortals ' Trell has , according to Edwarn ladrian are actually Kandra world Hoppers who defected to Trell or odium or whoever else , in order to gain greater autonomy for the kandra .

5). Finally we see Paalm using metalborn abilities and a statement saying that she had infiltrated Inquisitors. I really doubt you can infiltrate the ministry of Inquisition without displaying metalborn abilities. So is Sazed lying ? Tlr had reason to contain such knowledge from the kandra but does Sazed have similar reasons ? 

Also perhaps the spike which grants metalborn abilities might be aluminium . I mean if H-aluminum steals all powers then could it be possible that as a blessing it could grant all powers or well one power each. Perhaps this is also the reason the kandra themselves are oblivious of this knowledge since aluminum is super rare and aluminum spikes even more so. Yep , no proof for this. Just tinfoil.  And Wax's observation of Paalm's spike seems to refute this reasoning. But then again Wax was like totally depressed at the time and wasn't able to run tests on it and the kandra removed it soon enough. Maybe Paalm just mixed in something else in the spike to change it's colouring , in order to fool ppl.

 

 

 

 

Edited July 26, 2019 by PrinceGenocide
A little polishing

[Karger]

1 hour ago, PrinceGenocide said:

Ok , hey , I'm a new guy . Joined today actually. Hum, please move this to the proper section if I post this into a wrong forum or something.  So here's my theory :

The Mistborn form is the correct one. 

 

1 hour ago, PrinceGenocide said:

But I disagree. the mistwraiths were created from full feruchemists , so I think they needed a part of a feruchemist's spiritweb to work on a Kandra. So I think the reason there were so few Kandra in each generation was because u needed hemalurgic spikes made by killing feruchemists. 

Well all of them seem to have been WoB confirmed...

1 hour ago, PrinceGenocide said:

3).If the Kandra were rebellious , wouldn't they just steal spikes from like the treasury or from the koloss or by killing or mercykilling humans ,( I mean hey there were lots of impoverished or crippled skaa who would have been almost dead due to starvation , the mistsnapping , war , gang violence or tlr's general tyranny , who could euthanized as an act of Mercy during era 1 . And even during era 2 ) and make more Kandra ? I mean , that seems like a serious lapse in security by tlr.

It is hard to go rouge when you can be mind controlled also the entrance and as such exist to the Kandra home world was guarded.

1 hour ago, PrinceGenocide said:

4). Perhaps some Kandra are truly loyal to Sazed , but as we saw in HoA , not all Kandra have the same view. So perhaps it's possible that some factions among the kandra including the world Hoppers?? are planning to oust him and gain control of Scadrial. Perhaps that's how Paalm first came in contact with Trell . Perhaps the ' faceless immortals ' Trell has , according to Edwarn ladrian are actually Kandra world Hoppers who defected to Trell or odium or whoever else , in order to gain greater autonomy for the kandra .

Read Hero of Ages annotations for info about the Kandra.  This will explain a lot of their actions.

[Doomkitty9000]

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[Aluminum]

2 hours ago, Doomkitty9000 said:

I’m new, I started today. I’m currently on the Mistborn book called “The Hero Of Ages”. I don’t exactly understand this website very much...

I'd read all of Sanderson's work before coming here. 

On 7/25/2019 at 1:19 PM, PrinceGenocide said:

The blessing of stability was H-aluminium , which steals all powers.

I thought alluminum removed all powers. Lerasium steals all powers

[I lost my flute]

2 hours ago, Doomkitty9000 said:

I’m new, I started today. I’m currently on the Mistborn book called “The Hero Of Ages”. I don’t exactly understand this website very much...

There will be a lot of spoilers here, even if people try to hide them, just keep reading and forget about us for a few months.

[Elsecaller_17.5]

Side note: in second era (BoM if IIRC) MeLaan mentions in a side way matter that a ton more goes into creating a Kandra spike then just a normal power transfer hemalurgic spike.

[Friendshipspren]

 

On 7/31/2019 at 4:55 AM, Doomkitty9000 said:

I’m new, I started today. I’m currently on the Mistborn book called “The Hero Of Ages”. I don’t exactly understand this website very much...

Dude get out right now . Trust me , this site is crawling with spoilers . Come back to the mistborn forum, Once u finish all the 7 books. Better yet , Don't come back till u read both Stormlight and mistborn completely