Not-So-Logicalspren Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 Now this is a pretty crazy out there theory that someone will definitely prove wrong, but none of my friends read these books and I needed someplace to share this thought. What if Oathbringer is the Sibling? I could be mistaken here, but I’m pretty sure that there was only one Bondsmith at the time of the Recreance, but I don’t think it ever tells us which spren is the one who is bonded. I think that the Bondsmith was bonded to the Sibling, then broke their oath like the other Knights Radiant, leaving the sibling behind as a shardblade. This could explain why The Stormfather refuses to be summoned as a blade. He remembers what happened, and is sure that Dalinar will break his oath, leaving him dead, which I don’t think would happen unless he were manifesting in the physical realm as a blade. It could also help explain why Oathbringer doesn’t hate Dalinar as much, as Dalinar is probably someone who could have forged a bond with him in the first place. I also like the thought of a Bondsmith blade being named Oathbringer. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 I don’t remember much about the Sibling, so I can’t bring up any WoBs that debunks this. But it would be really, really cool if it was true. Upvote! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Q10fanatic Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 I really like this theory! It seems plausible, but we know so little about the other Bondsmith spren (especialy the Sibling) and the old Bondsmiths that we can't really support it much either. Is there a WOB that says whether Bondsmiths can have blades or do we only have the Stormfather's conversation with Dalinar to rely on? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Witness Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 Well, The Stormfather says that Sibling is sleeping. Not to worry about him, etc. Oathbringer -does- make the dead spren noise in Dalinar's hands. That is the only bit of information I know of that could say one way or another. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Q10fanatic said: I really like this theory! It seems plausible, but we know so little about the other Bondsmith spren (especialy the Sibling) and the old Bondsmiths that we can't really support it much either. Is there a WOB that says whether Bondsmiths can have blades or do we only have the Stormfather's conversation with Dalinar to rely on? Good point. Pretty sure that Bondsmiths as a rule dont have Blades. Edit: Found it! Quote Questioner As it is ornamented in such a way... Could it be related to a Bondsmith? Brandon Sanderson Bondsmiths didn't have Blades. Note that this is part of a longer WoB on Elhokars Blade, but Brandons statement is pretty clear, so I didn’t grab the whole thing. Edited July 16, 2019 by Toaster Retribution 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 So it's a fun theory! But (you knew there'd be a but, didn't you? Because it's me)... The Sibling was withdrawing before the Recreance. Its withdrawal and the evacuation of Urithiru were featured in the gemstone archives, which had to have been recorded prior to, not only the Recreance, but whatever Melishi's plan was. Also, as others have stated, Bondsmiths didn't get Shardblades. My personal theory is that the Sibling was withdrawing because it was unbonded at the time--the generation only had one Bondsmith. And the one that was bonded was the Stormfather. He's called a survivor of the Recreance, after all. In addition, I believe that Tanavast chose his own death at that time so that his Cognitive Shadow would be able to merge with the Stormfather and save him, preventing him from being a deadeye or whatever would happen to him as a mindless spren. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xardan Ta'Caran Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 Quote In addition, I believe that Tanavast chose his own death at that time so that his Cognitive Shadow would be able to merge with the Stormfather and save him, preventing him from being a deadeye or whatever would happen to him as a mindless spren. I've actually had a theory for quite a while that Tanavast chose his moment of death both to preserve his spren and to trap Odium on Roshar. I think he has a plan very similar to what Ati did on his planet and that there's something that's going to cause Tanavast's shard to come back into play eventually. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, Xardan Ta'Caran said: I've actually had a theory for quite a while that Tanavast chose his moment of death both to preserve his spren and to trap Odium on Roshar. I think he has a plan very similar to what Ati did on his planet and that there's something that's going to cause Tanavast's shard to come back into play eventually. Mmmm Odium had to have been trapped long before Tanavast died. Odium would have no reason to Invest, creating the Fused, the Unmade, and the voidspren, unless he were already trapped, because Investing in places lessens his pool of available power. And the way the Stormfather phrases the Heralds approaching Honor to bind the Fused, says to me that they came up with the idea of the Oathpact based on the bindings on Odium. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xardan Ta'Caran Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, RShara said: Mmmm Odium had to have been trapped long before Tanavast died. Odium would have no reason to Invest, creating the Fused, the Unmade, and the voidspren, unless he were already trapped, because Investing in places lessens his pool of available power. Agreed. I had just assumed that Tanavast trapped Odium to begin with, then chose to die to ensure that trap stayed in place. Happy to admit if I'm wrong, but it makes sense to me that he knew he wasn't going to be able to keep it up indefinitely, so he chose to die to ensure the trap wouldn't fail. Realize I've also read almost no WoB's about any of this. Just theories according to little ole me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 5 hours ago, Xardan Ta'Caran said: then chose to die to ensure that trap stayed in place Don't you think Honor would mention his sacrifice in vision to Dalinar? Also he say "Oduim has killed me" implying that his role was passive not active. This is not definitive proof of course but it is an indication. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xardan Ta'Caran Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, Karger said: Don't you think Honor would mention his sacrifice in vision to Dalinar? Also he say "Oduim has killed me" implying that his role was passive not active. This is not definitive proof of course but it is an indication. So I have two thoughts on this. First, I should have worded that better. I should have said "chose the moment of his death and used it to trap Odium" rather than saying "chose to die." That one is my bad. I should've been a little more clear. Second (and with that being said), I do believe that Odium killed him, just like Ruin killed preservation, but preservation had already put plans in place to resolve that issue. That's more what I was alluding to. I think Honor put plans in place to ensure that Odium couldn't leave and that there would be some kind of a chance of stopping Odium permanently. My apologies for the misstep there. :-) EDIT I realized I didn't mention the visions. It was proven in Oathbringer that Odium can see the visions. I think Honor intentionally left out the sensitive information of choosing that moment of death so that Odium wouldn't ever discover the secret. That way it gave the people of Roshar a fighting chance. Edited July 17, 2019 by Xardan Ta'Caran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scion of the Mists Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 On 7/16/2019 at 1:25 PM, RShara said: In addition, I believe that Tanavast chose his own death at that time so that his Cognitive Shadow would be able to merge with the Stormfather and save him, preventing him from being a deadeye or whatever would happen to him as a mindless spren. I hadn't seen this before - I really like it. It's always seemed strange to me that we know so little about Tanavast's actual death. It seems like it should be a BFD - the death of a (Vessel of a) Shard! But we have no mention of it in the books. Seemingly no historical event tied to it, no mass explosion in the number of spren, nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TheFoxQR Posted July 20, 2019 Report Share Posted July 20, 2019 On 7/16/2019 at 1:25 PM, RShara said: My personal theory is that the Sibling was withdrawing because it was unbonded at the time--the generation only had one Bondsmith. And the one that was bonded was the Stormfather. He's called a survivor of the Recreance, after all. Could the Withdrawing have anything to do with the Recreance? There are examples of future events resonating in the past, maybe this was a case of that? Also, the reaction recorded in the archives is pretty non-chalant given the context. It's like, yeah, that's just happening. Like, the Sibling is kin to the literal God of Storms and Goddess of... something. Maybe show a little more panic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scion of the Mists Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 On 7/20/2019 at 5:20 AM, TheFoxQR said: There are examples of future events resonating in the past, maybe this was a case of that? What are these examples? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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