Draginon

Books You Had to Put Down

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I know this is probably blasphemy at this stage too but I picked up Eye of the World years ago and finished it. struggled with it completely. Moved on to Great Hunt but this was the start of my Sanderson journey and Oathbringer came out so I blasted through that and it seems like nothing brought me back to WoT. I'm nearly finished my Cosmere re-read and want to dedicate time to Wheel of Time but I'm scared I won't click the way anyone else does.

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4 hours ago, NottTheBrave said:

There’s two key problems with current Star Wars books.  Either they use the movie characters, but have fluff and useless stories, because they’re so afraid to tell a story that adds to the lore in fear of it going against a future movie.  Or they tell interesting stories with fan fiction tier original characters who are grating and irritating.

Well I’ve heard about this one fact from several different authors that have done the Disney Canon. They will come up with an interesting story for the film characters but the Star Wars Story Team will nix it or severally change it so it doesn’t resemble the original concept at all. When it comes to ones without the film characters as the focus the Story Team will always force  in some connection to the films even when it doesn’t make sense (one example is a book that came out prior to Solo and 8 where they had to mention a character or place from those films despite the story having nothing to do with them). Pretty much the Story Team are the ones making the books a mess since they have way less control over the comics since Marvel is in charge of that and allow fresh ideas involving the film characters.

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4 hours ago, NottTheBrave said:

There’s two key problems with current Star Wars books.  Either they use the movie characters, but have fluff and useless stories, because they’re so afraid to tell a story that adds to the lore in fear of it going against a future movie.  Or they tell interesting stories with fan fiction tier original characters who are grating and irritating.

Have you read 'Ashoka' by EK Johnston? That one deals with an established character, and goes over some pretty important bridging events in that character's journey. I've also been meaning to read Claudia Gray's 'Master and Apprentice', 'cuz I love me some Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan.

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14 minutes ago, Wyndlerunner said:

Have you read 'Ashoka' by EK Johnston? That one deals with an established character, and goes over some pretty important bridging events in that character's journey. I've also been meaning to read Claudia Gray's 'Master and Apprentice', 'cuz I love me some Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan.

Nah, I'll just watch the new clone wars season instead.  It's adapting a lot of the material the book covered from what I've heard.  I've met EK Johnston and had a conversation with her though.  She's really nice.  I might give the Padme book a shot.  

 

36 minutes ago, Draginon said:

Well I’ve heard about this one fact from several different authors that have done the Disney Canon. They will come up with an interesting story for the film characters but the Star Wars Story Team will nix it or severally change it so it doesn’t resemble the original concept at all. When it comes to ones without the film characters as the focus the Story Team will always force  in some connection to the films even when it doesn’t make sense (one example is a book that came out prior to Solo and 8 where they had to mention a character or place from those films despite the story having nothing to do with them). Pretty much the Story Team are the ones making the books a mess since they have way less control over the comics since Marvel is in charge of that and allow fresh ideas involving the film characters.

That wouldn't surprise me.  The book "Last Shot" is an absolute mess.  The whole thing reeks of "put in as many references to the movie as you can without actually saying anything because the book comes out first."  Particularly the way it has Han deal with Qi'ra.  It's so vague, it's incredibly detrimental.  We get that Han is depressed about something, but it's not allowed to say why he's depressed, so it's just a vague nothingness that motivates Han during the flashbacks and it just does NOT work.  

It has nothing to do with the author being bad, but the clear limitations and guidelines in place to hit X amount of checkboxes, but reveal only Y amount of details.  Claudia Gray has seemingly got around it, and Delilah Dawson performed well on her Phasma book, despite the fact that it ended up being useless because they offed Phasma so unceremoniously.

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14 minutes ago, NottTheBrave said:

Nah, I'll just watch the new clone wars season instead.  It's adapting a lot of the material the book covered from what I've heard.  I've met EK Johnston and had a conversation with her though.  She's really nice.  I might give the Padme book a shot.  

The book takes place after season 7, with some minor flashbacks to those events. The story of the book is entirely original

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13 hours ago, NottTheBrave said:

That wouldn't surprise me.  The book "Last Shot" is an absolute mess.  The whole thing reeks of "put in as many references to the movie as you can without actually saying anything because the book comes out first."  Particularly the way it has Han deal with Qi'ra.  It's so vague, it's incredibly detrimental.  We get that Han is depressed about something, but it's not allowed to say why he's depressed, so it's just a vague nothingness that motivates Han during the flashbacks and it just does NOT work.  

It has nothing to do with the author being bad, but the clear limitations and guidelines in place to hit X amount of checkboxes, but reveal only Y amount of details.  Claudia Gray has seemingly got around it, and Delilah Dawson performed well on her Phasma book, despite the fact that it ended up being useless because they offed Phasma so unceremoniously.

Yeah it’s one thing when it’s a tie in novel, Last Shot is a tie in for Solo, but it’s another when it’s just a random book, like Leia Princess of Alderaan forcing in her first meeting with Holdo just to tie it into Last Jedi. With the trilogy ending there should be no more silly tie ins allowed from now on but the Story Team will still try to meddle though because of upcoming movies like the GOT writers trilogy. At least the EU weren’t restricted, just making small adjustments when the Lucasfilms continuity people noticed a contradiction with either the original 6 films or with another book (like if someone wrote Chewy in but set the book after Chewy was killed off)

I’m hoping that with 9 coming that means we'll finally get books that focus on Finn and Rey (Poe be damned since I don’t get his appeal)

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     Hiroshima by John Heresy. This book was a very good set of first hand accounts from the bombing of Hiroshima, but I put it down half way through because just how dark some of the accounts were. I picked it back up and finished it a day later though.

     The second book that I put down is Typhoon Fury by Clive Cussler. This book, in my opinion, is poorly written and I did not enjoy the story much. Good news, was that this one was a library loan, so I didn't lose any money, being that I never picked it back up.  I tried to read one other Cussler book after that, (the Jungle) and it was somewhat better. 

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11 hours ago, Draginon said:

(Poe be damned since I don’t get his appeal)

He's a terrible character. From a mechanic perspective and a story one (his stupid actions directly caused a lot of the problems faced by the Resistance in The Last Jedi. If there was a modicum of realism in that movie, he would have been executed by firing squad at the beginning of the movie).

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On 6/16/2019 at 11:49 PM, Orlion the Platypus said:

He's a terrible character. From a mechanic perspective and a story one (his stupid actions directly caused a lot of the problems faced by the Resistance in The Last Jedi. If there was a modicum of realism in that movie, he would have been executed by firing squad at the beginning of the movie).

Funnily that was the original plan but everyone liked him too much to kill him so they let him live. I just don’t see how they can make him better in 9 at all.

Yeah, if he had just listened and followed Leia and Holdo’s plan things would’ve gone much better for them but no he just had to be a rebelling teen against an authority figure because if they don’t reveal one tiny detail then they’re obviously up to no good instead of being a leader.

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I really feel like people only love Poe because he's played by Oscar Isaac, one of the most charismatic men in Hollywood.  Otherwise, his character... he's the reason the whole trilogy happened.  If he'd done something sensible at the start of TFA, there'd have been no plot thread for Kylo.  Like seriously, imagine he just left with Bb-8, instead of charging a battalion by himself?  He wouldn't have been captured, and Kylo wouldn't have know to look for BB-8.  Movie over, lol.  He killed Lor San Tekka before he could have interrogated him, so he had no idea, lol.  They'd have had to let every villager live to be interrogated before they even knew it was Poe who was there, and by that point he'd have been long gone.  Not to mention the stuff from TLJ, lol.

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