Shalebark Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 I just finished reading Warbreaker, which I believe means I am now caught up on the Cosmere. I was left with two questions. Is Susebron's high priest Treledees supposed to be related in some way to VaraTreledees (AKA Denth)? It feels odd to have two characters with such similar names and no explanation or commentary (unless I just missed it). Obviously, similar names do occur (I work with with three Tommys, two Thomases, and a Tom), but in a book with such a small cast the similarity seems like it ought to be significant. Was Clod made from someone known to Vasher and/or Denth? Vasher seems to have a somewhat emotional response when Vivenna tells him that Denth's team employs a Lifeless, and the description of Clod's fighting ability (Vivenna thinks he is as fast as Denth) leads me to believe that he was, when alive, more than just a skilled soldier. The only character mentioned who it would make sense for him to be is Arsteel. Sorry if this stuff's old hat; I was too impatient to thoroughly sift the forums for answers. I would be grateful for any additional information or speculation you all would care to offer. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, Shalebark said: Is Susebron's high priest Treledees supposed to be related in some way to VaraTreledees (AKA Denth)? It feels odd to have two characters with such similar names and no explanation or commentary (unless I just missed it). Obviously, similar names do occur (I work with with three Tommys, two Thomases, and a Tom), but in a book with such a small cast the similarity seems like it ought to be significant. It's akin to naming someone Peter or John. VaraTreledees, as one of the Five Scholars, was reverred and remembered, so people name their children after them. 5 minutes ago, Shalebark said: Was Clod made from someone known to Vasher and/or Denth? Vasher seems to have a somewhat emotional response when Vivenna tells him that Denth's team employs a Lifeless, and the description of Clod's fighting ability (Vivenna thinks he is as fast as Denth) leads me to believe that he was, when alive, more than just a skilled soldier. The only character mentioned who it would make sense for him to be is Arsteel. Yep, he's Arsteel. You should read the Warbreaker Annotations. They're free on Brandon's site and are like a whole extra half a book worth of background info! Though the Warbreaker ones do stray into TMI a couple times... *side eyes Brandon*. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Invocation Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Shalebark said: Is Susebron's high priest Treledees supposed to be related in some way to VaraTreledees (AKA Denth)? It feels odd to have two characters with such similar names and no explanation or commentary (unless I just missed it). Obviously, similar names do occur (I work with with three Tommys, two Thomases, and a Tom), but in a book with such a small cast the similarity seems like it ought to be significant. I think it was a name/title thing passed down over time. 7 minutes ago, Shalebark said: Was Clod made from someone known to Vasher and/or Denth? Vasher seems to have a somewhat emotional response when Vivenna tells him that Denth's team employs a Lifeless, and the description of Clod's fighting ability (Vivenna thinks he is as fast as Denth) leads me to believe that he was, when alive, more than just a skilled soldier. The only character mentioned who it would make sense for him to be is Arsteel. Yeah, Clod is Arsteel, one of the other Five Scholars. EDIT: Got ninja'd by RShara. Edited June 4, 2019 by Invocation 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shalebark Posted June 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, RShara said: It's akin to naming someone Peter or John. VaraTreledees, as one of the Five Scholars, was reverred and remembered, so people name their children after them. Yep, he's Arsteel. You should read the Warbreaker Annotations. They're free on Brandon's site and are like a whole extra half a book worth of background info! Though the Warbreaker ones do stray into TMI a couple times... *side eyes Brandon*. Thanks! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shalebark Posted June 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 Thanks, Invocation! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scion of the Mists Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 Welcome to the Shard! 2 hours ago, Shalebark said: Is Susebron's high priest Treledees supposed to be related in some way to VaraTreledees (AKA Denth)? It feels odd to have two characters with such similar names and no explanation or commentary (unless I just missed it). Obviously, similar names do occur (I work with with three Tommys, two Thomases, and a Tom), but in a book with such a small cast the similarity seems like it ought to be significant. You know, I read Warbreaker almost two years ago, and spend much more time than I should on these forums - and I never made the connection between the names. Good catch! 2 hours ago, Shalebark said: Was Clod made from someone known to Vasher and/or Denth? Vasher seems to have a somewhat emotional response when Vivenna tells him that Denth's team employs a Lifeless, and the description of Clod's fighting ability (Vivenna thinks he is as fast as Denth) leads me to believe that he was, when alive, more than just a skilled soldier. The only character mentioned who it would make sense for him to be is Arsteel. Sorry if this stuff's old hat; I was too impatient to thoroughly sift the forums for answers. I would be grateful for any additional information or speculation you all would care to offer. The Coppermind (the Cosmere Wiki) is a great resource for these kinds of questions. Much faster than searching the forums directly. https://coppermind.net/wiki/Clod P.s. FYI, double posting is against the site rules. You can "edit" your post to add additional thoughts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shalebark Posted June 5, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 Gracias! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eran of Arcadia Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 On 6/4/2019 at 11:13 AM, RShara said: Though the Warbreaker ones do stray into TMI a couple times... *side eyes Brandon*. Are you referring how his wedding night/honeymoon was an inspiration for the Siri/God King relationship. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 11 minutes ago, Eran of Arcadia said: Are you referring how his wedding night/honeymoon was an inspiration for the Siri/God King relationship. More some of the details about his wedding night. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubilus Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 On 6/4/2019 at 3:13 PM, RShara said: Though the Warbreaker ones do stray into TMI a couple times... *side eyes Brandon*. I say this all the time, but it bears repeating, Warbreaker is by far Brandon's most *ahem* "concupiscent" novel... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 10 hours ago, Jubilus said: I say this all the time, but it bears repeating, Warbreaker is by far Brandon's most *ahem* "concupiscent" novel... It is his attempt at writing romance so that is to be expected. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+robardin Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 On 6/24/2019 at 1:20 PM, RShara said: More some of the details about his wedding night. Since you TMI side-eyed the annotations specifically, I assumed you meant the bit explaining Jewels' prior and ongoing relationship with Arsteel/Clod. Spoiler Nobody really asked how far she would take it with a Lifeless, but he told us anyway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 30 minutes ago, robardin said: Since you TMI side-eyed the annotations specifically, I assumed you meant the bit explaining Jewels' prior and ongoing relationship with Arsteel/Clod. Hide contents Nobody really asked how far she would take it with a Lifeless, but he told us anyway. That and the bits about his and his wife's...hmmm...status...on his wedding night. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 38 minutes ago, RShara said: That and the bits about his and his wife's...hmmm...status...on his wedding night. 1 hour ago, robardin said: Since you TMI side-eyed the annotations specifically, I assumed you meant the bit explaining Jewels' prior and ongoing relationship with Arsteel/Clod. Winces sympathetically in remembrance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 Ikr? Thanks, Brandon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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