Stick. Posted May 24, 2019 Report Share Posted May 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Steeldancer said: Well obviously that’s the case. The question is it an evil role? I’d say no but would you believe me 1 hour ago, Steeldancer said: I’ve seen how nefarious evil stick can be before. whaaaaaat xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop772 Posted May 24, 2019 Report Share Posted May 24, 2019 I'm going to regret this. Steel. I can't dirty my hands, you seem genuinely sad about leaving. Goodbye friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furamirionind Posted May 24, 2019 Report Share Posted May 24, 2019 9 minutes ago, Coop772 said: I'm going to regret this. Steel. I can't dirty my hands, you seem genuinely sad about leaving. Goodbye friend. You plan on voting on someone else? Steel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop772 Posted May 24, 2019 Report Share Posted May 24, 2019 I am not. Not today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rathmaskal Posted May 24, 2019 Report Share Posted May 24, 2019 Gah, can someone post a vote count? I'm on my way out the door from work. I'll annoy my wife and check in when I get home as well instead of going straight to dinner. It LOOKS like we still have a solid lynch, but I don't want to be the reason that doesn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furamirionind Posted May 24, 2019 Report Share Posted May 24, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Coop772 said: I am not. Not today. Here is the vote count: Straw (1) - Rath Rath (1) - HH Steel (5) - Ela, Coop, Stick, Lum, Straw, Maill, Steel, Fura Coop (0) - CadCom Maill(0) - CadCom Fura (1) - Lum Stick(1) - Steel I think that is updated, but a reminder I am really bad at picking the reds out from the blacks. Edit: Forgot to add my thing on Coop: Why aren't you going to vote? the purpose of votes is to provide data for analysis. Edited May 24, 2019 by Furamirionind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elandera Posted May 24, 2019 Report Share Posted May 24, 2019 Fura, you only missed one. Here's the current vote count. Straw (1) - Rath Rath (1) - HH Steel (6) - Ela, Stick, Straw, Maill, CadCom, Fura Fura (1) - Lum Stick (1) - Steel It seems we do have a pretty solid lynch at this point on Steel, so long as no one else removes the vote. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rathmaskal Posted May 24, 2019 Report Share Posted May 24, 2019 Thanks. I'm not going to risk it. Straw Steel Have a fun last hour+ of the cycle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mailliw73 Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Lumgol said: @Mailliw73 1) Does the false PM refer to something that was intended to be a PM? 2) If yes, I want to be cautious about not doing something potentially worthless. For now, I'll keep my vote where it is, because I don't have that much of a motivation to change it. It refers to the one that was not used more than initially. There were only 2 messages in it. If you use the first message of the other PM, then it's U. Edit: and I can explain my reasoning tonight. It's not perfect, but probably my next best. Edited May 25, 2019 by Mailliw73 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lumgol Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mailliw73 said: It refers to the one that was not used more than initially. There were only 2 messages in it. If you use the first message of the other PM, then it's U. Huh. Interesting. I trust that person, if I understand your clues correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mailliw73 Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 Just now, Lumgol said: Huh. Interesting. I trust that person, if I understand your clues correctly. Sorry, I added an edit. I did too, but recently have lost a lot of trust in them. I'll explain more in PMs soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furamirionind Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 Lum, I would encourage one of the people I suggested. Even though I said I'd clear "I", upon further thought, "I" would be fine, as well as "d" if you are doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elandera Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 As promised, I'm going to attempt to prove my role. I have put in an order to Riot Ark's vote onto Steel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devotary of Spontaneity Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 3 hours ago, Mailliw73 said: So, one point I want to make clear is that Steel telling me his smoking targets always happened at the night turn, so it would be after the votes were visible. Two potential elim options(and I recognize this is with the assumption he's evil): 1. He's Vin and chose to claim one of the powers he can actually have. 2. He chose a role that was easy to fake and used the tallies to make his claim work. The second only works if someone else actually smoked Coop or if Elandera is lying about being a Rioter. We have yet to see Elandera actually Riot. Given my reads of them before, I generally trust Elandera much more than I do Steel. Another option is that he's just a village/elim Smoker and is actually jsut smoking at random like he claims, but that gives no real reads to his alignment. I am more than willing to bus Steel, as anyone who played that Secret Hitler game with us can attest. But, yes, it seems pretty clear that we aren't on the same team. An anti-village(elim and/or mistborn) Smoker still works. For the elims, it gives them some element of voting control without actually giving them vote manipulation abilities. And then Vin obviously has that ability. It's not him supporting the CadCom lynch without voting for CadCom that I have a problem with. It's the way he voted for Rae with contradictory reasons and then left it, supposedly knowing it would do no good, and then got angry at everyone else who voted for Rae. A dangerous game for Vin!Steel to play, but potentially successful between apathy and well-timed assistance from Zane. I don't particularly think Steel would have claimed to be the one to smoke Coop if he didn't, so that's unlikely. I do think he's probably a smoker 1, but as he never fully addressed why he's a village smoker, I can send Steel off the same way Maill departed, with an overwhelming lynch. Elandera being a rioter should be testable today, when she moves someone's vote. @Elandera, be sure to submit your Riot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifth Scholar Posted May 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 Cycle closed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fifth Scholar Posted May 25, 2019 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 (edited) Somebody else is preparing a special writeup for Steeldancer’s death, and will likely deserve all the upvotes you can give them once he finishes. By virtue of its high quality, that will take a while, and in the meantime there’s an awful lot of blank space up here, and I don’t want to put “writeup to come.” It’s too simplistic, and does too little honour to a player I’ve known and respected for a year and a half. I am no Elbereth, to give Steel a depiction in language which reveals his inner tendencies and voice, though I wish such skills were mine—perhaps they will be, someday, but certainly to do so now in the span of little over an hour would be immensely difficult and beyond my current capabilities as a writer. However, before this game resumes and we all move on, I’d like to describe, in the ways I know best, the man you just lynched. If they are direct, without connotation, so be it. Steeldancer was my first taste of what SE was like. Really, the game I’m rerunning, LG41, was, but other than Seonid, who extended a welcoming hand and invited me to see what SE was like, Steel was the first to welcome me informally into this strange and bloody corner of the Shard. Despite fighting for his life as Zane in this very game, around cycle 3 when pressure was truly mounting, he carved out the time to send me a PM, though I’d posted once on the Shard total and was doing little other than stalking the Day and Night threads in which the game was occurring. Overcoming my doubts about following and joining SE, Steel’s PM, entitled “I see you lol,” would be a driving factor in my decision to join the AG and step out of the shadows into the broader community. If that was his only contribution to my presence and life on this subforum, that would already be plenty to earn him prominence alongside Seonid as one of the few who started me on the road to being a gentleman killer of SE. But his interactions with me didn’t stop there. AG4/AN1 was my first game, and as many of you know, Steel and I found each other despite the anonymity, quickly teamed up, and crushed the village in almost the minimum number of turns. The only catch is that we were both villagers ourselves. The hilarity of how we deceived ourselves into trusting almost all the Eliminators was not lost on either of us, and despite times when we both thought the other was evil, our misguided alliance only drew us closer together throughout that game. Steel was definitely the first friend I made on the subforum, largely as a result of this initial failure, and the utter destruction we wreaked on our own faction would ironically prove the beginning of a lasting relationship. Time would fail me to speak of our other alliances, which tested and reaffirmed this bond. Betrayal and death in LG42; a firm commitment and kinship in LG49, when we would stand together against hordes of Alethi demanding my blood; AG5, uniting our factions for a common purpose for one brief, shining moment, and when I would advocate for his death and Return. Many smaller moments in the LGs and MRs scattered between, PMs discussing small things, and a constant attempt to reform the original pact of AG4, the mutual trust at whatever cost which made games so interesting. And I’ve not even spoken of when we’ve interacted as GMs—Steel’s joined every one of my games, and I’ve been able to say the same about his (if you count IMing) except for this last MR, which saddens me, but I haven’t read Skyward and will need to finish this game up. I’m grateful to Steel that he’s done that, if only so I can troll him mercilessly (as I’ve done in this game ). He’s always a willing and enthusiastic player, no matter what role or alignment he is, and that’s a joy to see as a GM. It’s therefore somewhat striking, and saddening, that I’m about to lose all this. Certainly, I’m losing a close compatriot in SE, as I’ve detailed extensively above. But I’m also losing a part of the initial touch that brought me into the community; I’m losing a friend with whom I could discuss nearly anything; and I’m losing Steel’s optimistic attitude and constant excitement with the small wonders of the world, which helped bring about our friendship to begin with. These are the indelible aspects of Steel which cannot be adequately replaced, and which I will miss the most when he is off on his mission. To close this, Steel, I simply wish you safety and good fortune on your mission, and look forward to your safe return to us in two years. I thank you for your impact on my life, and doubtless your touch on the lives of others which is similarly profound. With all that said and done... Steeldancer was lynched! He was a Lekal’s Subordinate Assassin and Smoker 1! Vote Count: Steel (9): Maill, Elandera, Fura, Devotary, Rath, CadCom, Stick, Straw, Ark Stick (1): Steel Rath (1): HH Fura (1): Lumgol Night 3 has begun! It will end Saturday 25 May at 9 PM EDT (-4:00 UTC), in about 22-23 hours. PMs are open. Please abide by all restrictions on them. Good luck! Player List: 1. Mailliw73 as Laila, a noblewoman whose pretentiousness is rivaled only by her disdain for Elend 2. Elandera as Era, an old Terriswoman too stubborn to evacuate a ruined city 3. Lumgol as Aname Plees, a skaa representative of Elend wanting to fight Lekal 4. Furamirionind as Ford Prefect, a hidden, delusional researcher and author 6. Snipexe as Snip, a fabric cutter in the local quilt chain, Reap What You Sew 7. Araris Valerian as Hadrian Penrod, a versatile man with a versatile definition of mortality Village Soother 2 8. Xinoehp512 as Dedne, a depressed man working long hours at Reap What You Sew Village Smoker 1 9. Young Bard as Lethir, a man with self-confidence and an axe to grind Village Thug 1 10. Devotary of Spontaneity as Varuun, a Kandra given a second chance at accomplishing her goals 11. Arraenae as Needa Naime, a slightly oblivious girl who loves her mother The Librarian 12. Steeldancer as Zane the Mad, who likes singing about killing and death (normal?) Assassin Smoker 1 13. Ark1002 as Abe, a skaa who knows his place within the established order of things 14. Rathmaskal as Doma, a recluse who spends her life making small wooden statues 15. Cadmium Compounder as Cadoxi, an armourer from House Venture fleeing Straff’s displeasure 16. Hemalurgic Headshot as Makail, an unemployed skaa enjoying his free lifestyle 17. STINK as Jumae II, a colourful and enigmatic character Village Rioter 2 18. _Stick_ as Astick, an old man with a wooden leg that secretly contains vials of metal 19. Straw as Oramen Hausk, a minor noble reduced to begging in the aftermath of the Lord Ruler’s fall 20. Adavantos as Ixiom Renaud, who believes that no supposition should be held as axiomatic 21. Coop772 as Heer Kilyal II, a snowy owl struggling to escape extinction 22. Randuir as De’Tess, a Kandra given a second opportunityVillage Smoker 2 Edited May 25, 2019 by Fifth Scholar 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeldancer Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 Thanks Fifth. You just made me tear up. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CadCom Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 Well. I've totalled my car, so I will no longer be camping this weekend. (Or at least until tomorrow) I dont know how much analysis I'll be doing though. I've got insurance stuff to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lumgol Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 Alright, so Fura is definitely cleared from being an SK (judging by their role). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mailliw73 Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 Yes!!!! Sorry that your death makes me happy Steel. Farewell, friend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elandera Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 @Steeldancer, it has been wonderful playing alongside you over the year or so I've been part of this community. I am sorry we had to lynch you so early in your final game before your mission, but I do feel a bit vindicated, you being a Lekal after all. Just a few thoughts for you before you go. I feel much the same as Fifth. You were one of the first people to really make an impression as I started getting into this community. We were teammates during LG45, the House War. It was my first LG, and you did a lot to help me as we worked our way into helping House Elariel dominate (also dealing with my neurotic doc rants along the way). That game helped shape me as a player and sparked my obsession with this forum. Thank you for all of that. You're one of the players I most enjoy playing with, despite me trying to lynch you. Good luck on your mission. I'm sure you'll do great! --- On to the rest of things. I'd like to take a closer look at Coop. While it's possible he was set up, that's just a lot of coincidence. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stick. Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 (edited) !!!!!!!! edit: ark’s vote has been Rioted to Steel, so I guess that shows that Elandera is indeed a rioter like she claimed to be Edited May 25, 2019 by _Stick_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furamirionind Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 (edited) Normally I would go into PMs and say this stuff, but I dont have a lot of time as I am running sound for my theater today. (And the next 2 days, but setup is hard) I am also curious if Joe can make use of this at all. First of all, I encourage those Maill told he would vote on Steel to PM me or publically claim. I ask this, because I went into my reread of Maill thinking he wasnt an elim, but could be a Mistborn. I didnt think he was an elim because in general, he has had several posts that seem really good to me. I think I pointed out a couple in thread. The more I reread Maill/Steel interactions... there just arent any... Sure there are some, and Maill cast some shade on Steel D3, but it wasnt condemning really, and was preceded by a vote for Rath which also takes some power away from what he said about Steel. He then was the 4th vote on Steel. I see this as a potential distancing attempt that picked up too much momentum, forcing him to bus. I will re-evaluate if I get claims that Maill was planning on voting for Steel as early as N2. That's pretty much all the time I have for now. I will probably be able to follow the thread loosely, and will try to respond to PMs. If I die tonight, I trust Lum and Elandera. Edit: no one has mentioned it, but it is worth noting that Steel is the Assassin as well. I dont think more need be said. Edited May 25, 2019 by Furamirionind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mailliw73 Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 I told Elandera and Lum that I wanted to try to lynch Steel. I told Coop before Xino died that Steel was my second suspicion. I had that whole post at the end of D1/start of D2 about Steel and my suspicions of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lumgol Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 Maill seemed very suspicious of Steel in our PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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