+Invocation Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 In Hero of Ages, Marsh says that one of his Inquisitor spikes functions also as a metalmind. How? Shouldn't the spike be Invested to the level that there's no "room" for the Feruchemical storages? Is there an explanation for this that I missed? (If there is, it's probably something to do with Ruin messing with things or an Identity/Connection shenanigan) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 Spikes don't need a lot of investiture. Spook's spike, and Penrod's spike were both exceptionally small. Even in the case that those were full, which I don't think is a requirement, inquisitor spikes are so much larger for the intimidation factor that there should be an abundance of extra metal. Additionally, considering the size of metalminds generally, rings, earrings and such, Feruchemy doesn't need much either. A spike serving both perposes seems, at least to me, to be perfectly reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pathfinder Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 There is a WoB for that Questioner Has a Hemalurgic Feruchemist ever used a Hemalurgic spike to tap power into it? Have they ever done that yet? Brandon Sanderson So a Hemalurgic spike is already Invested, so it's going to resist sticking anything else in it, particularly a magic like that. Questioner So if there's a pewter spike then a Feruchemist couldn't store strength in it? Brandon Sanderson Yeah. It would be difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Invocation Posted April 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 18 minutes ago, Pathfinder said: There is a WoB for that Questioner Has a Hemalurgic Feruchemist ever used a Hemalurgic spike to tap power into it? Have they ever done that yet? Brandon Sanderson So a Hemalurgic spike is already Invested, so it's going to resist sticking anything else in it, particularly a magic like that. Questioner So if there's a pewter spike then a Feruchemist couldn't store strength in it? Brandon Sanderson Yeah. It would be difficult. Well, rusts, now I'm even more confused. Here I was thinking Calderis's explanation made sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pathfinder Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Invocation said: Well, rusts, now I'm even more confused. Here I was thinking Calderis's explanation made sense. I don't have access to Hero of the Ages at the moment. Could you quote me the scene you are referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Invocation Posted April 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 15 minutes ago, Pathfinder said: I don't have access to Hero of the Ages at the moment. Could you quote me the scene you are referring to? Page 373 of my version: "It was harder than it seemed. He had to make sure to strike with the axe in ways that Penrod could block. Several times, he had to tap speed from one of his spiked-which doubled as a Feruchemical metalmind- to suddenly inch his axe in the right direct, lest he accidentally behead the king of Luthadel." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 I mean, yes, it would "resist" as it's invested. But spikes are lightly invested anyway, which is way if they aren't in a body they're relatively easy to push. Spoilered for length and general Cosmere stuff. Spoiler Questioner I've got a list of various Cosmere bits of metal and I was wondering if you would rank them from like one to ten or just easy to difficult on how hard it would be to steelpush on them. So with one being just a regular coin, ten being like when the Lord Ruler was moving bits of glass on the floor, so like metal inside a person's body. Brandon Sanderson It depends on how strong the investiture in them is. Questioner Is that gonna be the answer for all of these? Brandon Sanderson Probably! Questioner How about a spike charged with Hemallurgy? Brandon Sanderson A spike charged with Hemallurgy... that depends on... Questioner Not in a person. Brandon Sanderson Depends on how strong, yeah, a spike is moderately, (in the realm of these kinds of things) moderately easy to push on because a spike does not rip off very much investiture. Only enough to short circuit the soul, and t less it over time. I would put that at the bottom, with the top being very hard, to be one of the easier things. Questioner How about a metalmind that is full? Brandon Sanderson That is full? That is going to be middle of the realm of the, yeah. Generally easier than, for instance, a Shardblade which is going to be very hard. Questioner #2 A Shardblade is [inaudible] actually metal? [metal]-ish? Brandon Sanderson Ish. Is Lerasium a metal. Yeah. Questioner So that'd be the same for Shardplate too? Brandon Sanderson Shardplate and Blade are very hard. Blade is probably gonna be a little harder. Questioner A Halfshard? Brandon Sanderson A halfshard shield? That's gonna be moderate. Questioner Nightblood? I imagine that being hard. Brandon Sanderson Hard, of all the things you've listed, that is going to be the hardest. Far beyond even a Sharblade. Questioner Far beyond metal inside a person? Brandon Sanderson Uh, yes. Depending on how invested the person is. Questioner If somebody was invested as much as Nightblood? Brandon Sanderson Yes, for instance the God King, right. At the end with all those breaths. Pushing something inside of him, getting through all of that? Gonna be real hard. Average person on Scadrial? You've seen how hard that is. A drab? Much easier. Questioner That was my next one, or no, sorry not a drab. A lifeless? Brandon Sanderson A lifeless, yeah. Even... yeah. Lifeless are kind of weird because they've had their soul leave but then they've had a replacement stuck in in the form of breath which leaves them in a very weird position compared to a drab which has had part of their investiture ripped away but a majority remains, so, anyways. I'm going to give you one more. Pick your favorite. Questioner A soul stamped piece of metal? Brandon Sanderson A soul stamped piece of metal is going to be on the lower, easier side. Not a lot of investiture going on in a soul stamp. Salt Lake City signing (March 29, 2014) If they're "moderately easy" to push, they shouldn't be any harder to store into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pathfinder Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Calderis said: I mean, yes, it would "resist" as it's invested. But spikes are lightly invested anyway, which is way if they aren't in a body they're relatively easy to push. Spoilered for length and general Cosmere stuff. Reveal hidden contents Questioner I've got a list of various Cosmere bits of metal and I was wondering if you would rank them from like one to ten or just easy to difficult on how hard it would be to steelpush on them. So with one being just a regular coin, ten being like when the Lord Ruler was moving bits of glass on the floor, so like metal inside a person's body. Brandon Sanderson It depends on how strong the investiture in them is. Questioner Is that gonna be the answer for all of these? Brandon Sanderson Probably! Questioner How about a spike charged with Hemallurgy? Brandon Sanderson A spike charged with Hemallurgy... that depends on... Questioner Not in a person. Brandon Sanderson Depends on how strong, yeah, a spike is moderately, (in the realm of these kinds of things) moderately easy to push on because a spike does not rip off very much investiture. Only enough to short circuit the soul, and t less it over time. I would put that at the bottom, with the top being very hard, to be one of the easier things. Questioner How about a metalmind that is full? Brandon Sanderson That is full? That is going to be middle of the realm of the, yeah. Generally easier than, for instance, a Shardblade which is going to be very hard. Questioner #2 A Shardblade is [inaudible] actually metal? [metal]-ish? Brandon Sanderson Ish. Is Lerasium a metal. Yeah. Questioner So that'd be the same for Shardplate too? Brandon Sanderson Shardplate and Blade are very hard. Blade is probably gonna be a little harder. Questioner A Halfshard? Brandon Sanderson A halfshard shield? That's gonna be moderate. Questioner Nightblood? I imagine that being hard. Brandon Sanderson Hard, of all the things you've listed, that is going to be the hardest. Far beyond even a Sharblade. Questioner Far beyond metal inside a person? Brandon Sanderson Uh, yes. Depending on how invested the person is. Questioner If somebody was invested as much as Nightblood? Brandon Sanderson Yes, for instance the God King, right. At the end with all those breaths. Pushing something inside of him, getting through all of that? Gonna be real hard. Average person on Scadrial? You've seen how hard that is. A drab? Much easier. Questioner That was my next one, or no, sorry not a drab. A lifeless? Brandon Sanderson A lifeless, yeah. Even... yeah. Lifeless are kind of weird because they've had their soul leave but then they've had a replacement stuck in in the form of breath which leaves them in a very weird position compared to a drab which has had part of their investiture ripped away but a majority remains, so, anyways. I'm going to give you one more. Pick your favorite. Questioner A soul stamped piece of metal? Brandon Sanderson A soul stamped piece of metal is going to be on the lower, easier side. Not a lot of investiture going on in a soul stamp. Salt Lake City signing (March 29, 2014) If they're "moderately easy" to push, they shouldn't be any harder to store into. Sounds about right to me. Keeps the book canon, while incorporating the WoB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not an Evil Librarian Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 Has anyone considered the possibility that The Lord Ruler knew all about this, and used it as another limitation on the inquisitors abilities? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Invocation Posted April 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, not an Evil Librarian said: Has anyone considered the possibility that The Lord Ruler knew all about this, and used it as another limitation on the inquisitors abilities? The Inquisitors were doing it in the days of the Lord Ruler's reign, though. F-gold. It's one of the reasons they had to rest so often, and accounts for their increased healing, even beyond A-pewter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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