SwordNimiForPresident Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) I'm rereading Era 1 currently. I was reading a Sazed chapter and something occurred to me, how can a full Feruchemist not heal being castrated? Spoilered for Stormlight stuff Spoiler I know what you're thinking, "well obviously their Spiritual self has accepted that they are castrated, just look at Kaladin's slave brands", but what about Lopen? He was disarmed for several years before gaining access to Stormlight but his arm regrew as soon as he did. I also think that Sazed's thoughts about himself in regards to his castration, especially in scenes where he is considering his relationship with Tindwyl, are distinctly non accepting. He feels that it is a flaw in him and I can't see it being integrated with his Spiritual self. Has anyone ever asked Brandon about this? I couldn't find any WoBs, though I admittedly didn't look very hard. THIS THREAD HAS STORMLIGHT SPOILERS, SORRY FOR NOT PUTTING IT IN THE COSMERE SECTION. Edited March 7, 2019 by SwordNimiForPresident Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Invocation Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 The thing is, Sazed accepted that it was the way it was. In Stormlight: Spoiler Lopen acts like he can still control his arm, like it still attached to him. Therein lies the difference. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathrangking Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, SwordNimiForPresident said: I'm rereading Era 1 currently. I was reading a Sazed chapter and something occurred to me, how can a full Feruchemist not heal being castrated? Spoilered for Stormlight stuff Reveal hidden contents I know what you're thinking, "well obviously their Spiritual self has accepted that they are castrated, just look at Kaladin's slave brands", but what about Lopen? He was disarmed for several years before gaining access to Stormlight but his arm regrew as soon as he did. I also think that Sazed's thoughts about himself in regards to his castration, especially in scenes where he is considering his relationship with Tindwyl, are distinctly non accepting. He feels that it is a flaw in him and I can't see it being integrated with his Spiritual self. Has anyone ever asked Brandon about this? I couldn't find any WoBs, though I admittedly didn't look very hard. Spoiler @Invocation is correct at no point had Lopen ever excepted the missing arm. He acted as though he had both. Sazed accepted it and his role as a terris steward. He always acts the part of the steward with this castration being a part of who he is. Sazed considers himself to be the rebellious steward with this being a sign of that position. Edited March 7, 2019 by Nathrangking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteEmporer Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 It is also worth noting that health is rather difficult to store, and one needs to save it up for life-or-death situations. Regrowing a severed body part likely takes quite a bit of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Invocation Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 12 minutes ago, WhiteEmporer said: It is also worth noting that health is rather difficult to store, and one needs to save it up for life-or-death situations. Regrowing a severed body part likely takes quite a bit of it. That is also correct, as noted by Wayne's continual complaints about regrowing fingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwordNimiForPresident Posted March 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 13 minutes ago, WhiteEmporer said: It is also worth noting that health is rather difficult to store, and one needs to save it up for life-or-death situations. Regrowing a severed body part likely takes quite a bit of it. But for a people having their magic bred out of them, they’d prioritize their magic users making babies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Invocation Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 37 minutes ago, SwordNimiForPresident said: But for a people having their magic bred out of them, they’d prioritize their magic users making babies. Even if they did, due to the from-birth training the stewards have relating to their castration, them healing that would not be possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) Acceptance in Cosmere healing has nothing to do with you being at peace with something. If it is part of your self perception, be that positive or negative, it's there. Considering there are physical effects involved in development Sazed was castrated at a young enough age that it was part of who he is before he ever would have had need to feel frustrated by certain imposed social aspects of it. It's definitely not a plot hole. If not liking something was the same as not accepting it, everything would be healed. Edited March 7, 2019 by Calderis 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Invocation Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Calderis said: If it is part of your self perception, be that positive or negative, it's there. Considering there are physical effects involved in development Sazed was castrated at a young enough age that it was part of who he is before he ever would have had need to feel frustrated by certain imposed social aspects of it. That actually brings up an interesting question about Renarin's healing. (Stormlight Spoilers) Spoiler He's had the eyesight thing for a long time, it's implied if not outright stated. Was it because he was comparing himself to Adolin that whole time and seeing Adolin as who he could be that the eyesight was able to be healed? Is it, perhaps, an outgrowth of his apparently superior healing? Edited March 7, 2019 by Invocation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 @Invocation we're, unfortunately, in the Mistborn forum. So you should probably Spoiler that. I'll finish reading your post now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Invocation Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) Just now, Calderis said: @Invocation we're, unfortunately, in the Mistborn forum. So you should probably Spoiler that. I'll finish reading your post now. Rusts, I forgot about that. I'll take care of it right now! Edited March 7, 2019 by Invocation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) @Invocation Stormlight Spoilers. Spoiler It's not just his eyesight, it's also his epilepsy. I think it's more about mindset than anything else. There are plenty of people who are unhappy with their situations but still let it rule them. That's not a judgment on my part, that's just the way people work. I doubt many of my issues would be healed in the Cosmere But then you have people who, dispite disabilities, don't let anyone tell them they can't do anything and go on to be propped up as inspirational stories because they do things in spite of their limitations that many fully abled people aren't capable of. His whole life Renarin has been told he can't. And despite that he still tries. He pushes boundaries wherever he's able to. If he'd actually accepted his supposed limitations he'd have joined the Ardentia like everyone told him he should. I think that's the difference. And I think most readers underestimate Renarin. Edited March 7, 2019 by Calderis 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Invocation Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 @Calderis (Stormlight) Spoiler Isn't his epilepsy still there, only mutated with his Surges into the new fits? Or is that just the way he thinks of it and it's something different? Other than that, I see your points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Invocation said: @Calderis (Stormlight) Hide contents Isn't his epilepsy still there, only mutated with his Surges into the new fits? Or is that just the way he thinks of it and it's something different? Other than that, I see your points. Spoiler I think that's the way he sees it... But I don't think that's fully true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Invocation Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 Just now, Calderis said: Reveal hidden contents I think that's the way he sees it... But I don't think that's fully true. Spoiler That's fair. It's a little unclear as yet, so I can see it both ways, but I do lean more towards agreeing with you. (Guess what that ^ spoiler is...Stormlight) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteEmporer Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 8 hours ago, SwordNimiForPresident said: But for a people having their magic bred out of them, they’d prioritize their magic users making babies. Fair enough. It probably has to do with perception then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandering Investor Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 Cosmere healing, at least this and some other methods, are based on unconscious perception, not on conscious desire. So Sazed perceives himself, at an instinctual level, as being an eunuch. Even if he's not happy about it, that's his true perception of himself. Some more Stormlight Archive spoilers: Spoiler In Stormlight we see more examples of this. Our favorite Herdazian(did I spell that right?) truly views himself as still having two arms, even if one may be missing at the moment. Another merchant on the other hands views herself as a cripple. So even when she getting some stormlight healing, it doesn't fix her legs, even though she hates being a cripple. Because as a very base level, that's how she sees herself. This isn't something that is easily changed either. Its not a matter of practicing imagining yourself as better, its the instinctive first image that pops into your head type of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwordNimiForPresident Posted March 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 Looks like I should have made this thread in the Cosmere section sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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