Clyde Froggins Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 Hey @Voidus, do you know what would happen to an epic's powers if they were to become a returned? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ark1002 Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 On 6/14/2019 at 10:43 AM, Clyde Froggins said: Hey @Voidus, do you know what would happen to an epic's powers if they were to become a returned? WE HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING THEY'RE IN DIFFERENT UNIVERSES 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Woodrack Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 How many points would the epic power of being immune to logic be? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacThorstenson Posted June 16, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 11 hours ago, Darth Woodrack said: How many points would the epic power of being immune to logic be? What do you mean by that? Like not being able to convinced by logical reasoning? At all? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Woodrack Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 No, I mean, no laws of physics, logic reasoning, or any form of reason whatsoever has any hold on them whatsoever. Like, they walk of cliffs and float, fall hundreds of feet through the ground for no apparent reason, and when hey open there mouths a parrot can crawl out of their mouth and say whatever he was about to say in a weird accent. How many points would that be? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Invocation Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 37 minutes ago, Darth Woodrack said: No, I mean, no laws of physics, logic reasoning, or any form of reason whatsoever has any hold on them whatsoever. Like, they walk of cliffs and float, fall hundreds of feet through the ground for no apparent reason, and when hey open there mouths a parrot can crawl out of their mouth and say whatever he was about to say in a weird accent. How many points would that be? I'd hazard a guess at a lot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kidpen Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 14 hours ago, Ax's Boyfriend said: WE HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING THEY'RE IN DIFFERENT UNIVERSES YES BUT WE CAN STILL THEORIZE I'D SAY PROBABLY THEY KEEP THE EPIC POWER IN THE SAME WAY THAT LIGHTSONG'S SKILLS WERE MAINTAINED THROUGH THE RETURNING 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacThorstenson Posted June 16, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Darth Woodrack said: No, I mean, no laws of physics, logic reasoning, or any form of reason whatsoever has any hold on them whatsoever. Like, they walk of cliffs and float, fall hundreds of feet through the ground for no apparent reason, and when hey open there mouths a parrot can crawl out of their mouth and say whatever he was about to say in a weird accent. How many points would that be? I’m going to say that that’s going to be infinite points, mainly because they could ignore causality this making them impossible to beat. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Woodrack Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 Okay then. Well, I guess I can’t use this as a character. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacThorstenson Posted June 16, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 Yeah... the issue is that that power not only has very few limits, but could easily work around the few limits that it could have. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 On 6/15/2019 at 3:13 AM, Clyde Froggins said: Hey @Voidus, do you know what would happen to an epic's powers if they were to become a returned? I think I answered this in the PM as well but to reiterate: 1. This is only possible in the Alleyverse since canonically the two aren't related so there is no canonical answer. 2. You'd need to be Nalthian to Return per WoB so this would be a lot easier to do the other way around (A Returned gaining Epic powers) 3. Investiture interferes with other Investiture so being Invested to the degree that many Epics are would make it unlikely that you'd Return. 4. You do keep your Soul when you Return which would imply that there's a decent chance you'd keep any pre-death Investiture that you had. But honestly it could go either way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kidpen Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 7 hours ago, Voidus said: 4. You do keep your Soul when you Return which would imply that there's a decent chance you'd keep any pre-death Investiture that you had. But honestly it could go either way. One of the things I was unsure about when answering this question was whether Kelsier (if/when given a physical form) had his Mistborn powers still. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Woodrack Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 I assume he would as the investiture was linked to his spirit web. I think. That’s right, right? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ark1002 Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 17 hours ago, Voidus said: I think I answered this in the PM as well but to reiterate: 1. This is only possible in the Alleyverse since canonically the two aren't related so there is no canonical answer. 2. You'd need to be Nalthian to Return per WoB so this would be a lot easier to do the other way around (A Returned gaining Epic powers) 3. Investiture interferes with other Investiture so being Invested to the degree that many Epics are would make it unlikely that you'd Return. 4. You do keep your Soul when you Return which would imply that there's a decent chance you'd keep any pre-death Investiture that you had. But honestly it could go either way. No, you need to be on Nalthis. But also, we've had it happen in the Alleyverse already, so connection would be strong enough Also, he could easily say that he had a little bit of Nalthian heritage. I don't think that would interfere, as Returned is a very powerful source of investiture. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacThorstenson Posted June 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 15 minutes ago, Ax's Boyfriend said: No, you need to be on Nalthis. But also, we've had it happen in the Alleyverse already, so connection would be strong enough Not necessarily, we have conflicting WoB's on this, but at most it would be extremely difficult for a non nalthisian to return. You would need to be tapping huge amounts of connection or have a bunch of breaths in order to return. I don't think that anyone has returned in the alleyverse. I am aware of someone who went to Nalthis, then Returned after tapping huge amounts of connection as they died, but I am not aware of anyone who returned in the alleyverse. Also, returned are chosen by endowment, and she wouldn't probably pay attention to the alleyverse to choose returned, she doesn't even look outside of Nalthis. 19 minutes ago, Ax's Boyfriend said: I don't think that would interfere, as Returned is a very powerful source of investiture. All of this is speculation, because reckoners isn't cosmere, but we have been treating epics as highly invested beings depending on their powers, but any amount of investiture interferes with investiture. In this case not only because investiture interferes with other investiture, but also because the investiture that we are assuming epics to have would connect them to a different thing besides Nalthis/Endowment, which would inherently make returning more difficult. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xinoehp512 Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, MacThorstenson said: Not necessarily, we have conflicting WoB's on this, but at most it would be extremely difficult for a non nalthisian to return. You would need to be tapping huge amounts of connection or have a bunch of breaths in order to return. I don't think that anyone has returned in the alleyverse. I am aware of someone who went to Nalthis, then Returned after tapping huge amounts of connection as they died, but I am not aware of anyone who returned in the alleyverse. Also, returned are chosen by endowment, and she wouldn't probably pay attention to the alleyverse to choose returned, she doesn't even look outside of Nalthis. All of this is speculation, because reckoners isn't cosmere, but we have been treating epics as highly invested beings depending on their powers, but any amount of investiture interferes with investiture. In this case not only because investiture interferes with other investiture, but also because the investiture that we are assuming epics to have would connect them to a different thing besides Nalthis/Endowment, which would inherently make returning more difficult. Generally speaking, only Investiture with different Identity interferes. (Or something like that.) Users of other Investiture can presumably have normal Breath without it interfering; Divine Breath is similar, just much, much more powerful. I agree it's unlikely, but not impossible. If someone really wanted that as a character for some reason, they probably could. Edited June 17, 2019 by xinoehp512 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ark1002 Posted June 19, 2019 Report Share Posted June 19, 2019 On 6/17/2019 at 9:20 AM, MacThorstenson said: Not necessarily, we have conflicting WoB's on this, but at most it would be extremely difficult for a non nalthisian to return. You would need to be tapping huge amounts of connection or have a bunch of breaths in order to return. I don't think that anyone has returned in the alleyverse. I am aware of someone who went to Nalthis, then Returned after tapping huge amounts of connection as they died, but I am not aware of anyone who returned in the alleyverse. I believe Mace did so. Am I wrong about that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacThorstenson Posted June 19, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2019 17 minutes ago, Ax's Boyfriend said: I believe Mace did so. Am I wrong about that? I don't believe so, Mace was only ever referred to as a full feruchemist, even in E3 when he was killed, and he didn't come back. If you are referring to Mac, he did Return, but he only did so on Nalthis, after tapping huge amounts of connection to Nalthis, and removing all other investitures he had. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skullduggery Posted June 22, 2019 Report Share Posted June 22, 2019 Have anyone ever made a savant? How was it rped? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 On 6/22/2019 at 5:40 PM, Skullduggery said: Have anyone ever made a savant? How was it rped? I believe we've had a couple, but couldn't remember off the top of my head who they were. I don't recall any scenes that particularly explored the negative side effects of savantism so far in the RP. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AonEne Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, Voidus said: I don't recall any scenes that particularly explored the negative side effects of savantism so far in the RP. *cough* Lita's totally going that direction *cough* 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 1 minute ago, AonEne said: *cough* Lita's totally going that direction *cough* She is, but as far as I know she's not currently a Savant, just heading there so wasn't sure if I should mention it or not. But people should read Lita's scenes anyway cause they're awesome 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ZincAboutIt Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 1 hour ago, AonEne said: *cough* Lita's totally going that direction *cough* 1 hour ago, Voidus said: She is, but as far as I know she's not currently a Savant, just heading there so wasn't sure if I should mention it or not. But people should read Lita's scenes anyway cause they're awesome I'm glad that this is obvious, because I'm pushing it in this direction on purpose. Also, Voidus, you flatter me :3 The negative effects will likely come later, if I decide to push her into full Savantism. That would be fun to RP! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AonEne Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, ZincAboutIt said: The negative effects will likely come later... Later? I'm seeing some now... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ZincAboutIt Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 1 minute ago, AonEne said: Later? I'm seeing some now... Well that is true enough. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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