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16 hours ago, Darth Sir Woodrack Groot said:

Seems cool. Could we do another habitable moon, but with a bunch of incredibly dangerous creatures on it? I could work on those, and the one group of people who live on it.

Dangerous in which way? Dangerous as in Australia turned up to eleven, or dangerous as in the entire ecosystem consists of carnivores?

16 hours ago, Darth Sir Woodrack Groot said:

On laws of physics, I would suggest that we follow them fairly well, but not to the letter. Essentially, we follow the law of cool. If something is very cool, but doesn't  really follow the laws of physics, then we still include it. Essentially, what WH40K does. Everyone okay with this? I'll make some polls for this.

Seems interesting, but it would probably be good to still create some limits, and try to stick to known science (or technobabble) if possible. Some degree of rule of cool is fine to me, but I don't want it to get out of hand and starting an arms-race. Also, moderation would still be required when sticking to known (or theoretically possible) science, since having Thunderbolts (spatial manipulation type weapons) around, or having Von Neumann machines build matter energy converters in a star or planet to turn the whole thing into a bomb capable of making supernovas look puny, or other things of that nature, would probably not do the setting much good.

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1 hour ago, kenod said:

Dangerous in which way? Dangerous as in Australia turned up to eleven, or dangerous as in the entire ecosystem consists of carnivores?

Seems interesting, but it would probably be good to still create some limits, and try to stick to known science (or technobabble) if possible. Some degree of rule of cool is fine to me, but I don't want it to get out of hand and starting an arms-race. Also, moderation would still be required when sticking to known (or theoretically possible) science, since having Thunderbolts (spatial manipulation type weapons) around, or having Von Neumann machines build matter energy converters in a star or planet to turn the whole thing into a bomb capable of making supernovas look puny, or other things of that nature, would probably not do the setting much good.

  1. Australia turned up to 15. Just, everything there, could kill you, but they won't all hunt you.
  2. I agree. We should have a limit to how much we stretch the laws of physics. Like, if something is in the grey area of possibility, like it is possible that something could do this, like gravity manipulation, we can include it, but, if it stretches stuff to the point where it is more magic than science, we draw the line.
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7 minutes ago, Darth Sir Woodrack Groot said:
  • Australia turned up to 15. Just, everything there, could kill you, but they won't all hunt you.
  • I agree. We should have a limit to how much we stretch the laws of physics. Like, if something is in the grey area of possibility, like it is possible that something could do this, like gravity manipulation, we can include it, but, if it stretches stuff to the point where it is more magic than science, we draw the line.

1. Sounds good.

2. I'm personally more concerned with how over the top it is, not how much it ignores physics. The issue is that even with things that are theoretically possible (like my own examples) you can do some ludicrous stuff that can destroy everything in a fifty light year radius. There are also a lot of things that we can do right now, and that just take a lot of time and resources, like turning a gas giant into a planet you can walk on, building star-sized supercomputers capable of simulating full galaxies, focusing the entire output of a star into a single beam, or launching almost unspotable relativistic projectiles on collision courses with planets that can wipe out all life on them.

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CORISLAIN 2!!!!!

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Corislain: The largest moon by a few kilometers, Corislain is has been entirely hollowed out to create a settlement within the inner regions of the sphere. The settlement is composed of several layers, each layer smaller than the last. The buildings are constructed on the inner edge of the spherelike layers, and gravity is provided through an amazing amount of centrifugal force. This artificial gravity weakens as one gets closer to the center of the moon, and the inner layer has no gravity whatsoever.

The moon is, in fact, entirely artificial, and a combination of several metal-rich asteroids into one huge mass. This project was completed many years ago by a coalition of megacorporations that wanted to test the feasibility of building an artificial moon. Modern lore is unsure where the coalition originated, only that they came from out of the system. Today, the moon is run by Trident Holdings, the last remnant of the coalition that constructed the moon. However, Trident is only in control of the life support systems, and other base functions of the moon. The people are ruled by a number of factions that claim various layers of the moon.

 

Layers:

Outer Shell: An airless plane where almost no construction can occur, as it would be thrown off by the spinning of the moon. The only constructions on the outer face of the moon are at the north and south poles. Here, the centrifugal force is at a minimum and special spacecraft can dock, allowing access the many stations in orbit of Corislain.

Layer 1: This layer, directly opposite the Outer Shell, has the highest gravity and therefore is a prime area for food production. The high level of gravity also makes this prime real estate, which only the richest can afford. Most of the layer is under the control of the FGC corporation (Fcorp) which produces food for most of the moon. However, two areas at the North and South poles are under the jurisdiction of Trident Holdings. Trident uses these areas as ports for their shuttles, and access the inner layers of Corislain.

Layer 2: This layer is city-like, similar to the 3 layers below it. Here, though, there is some semblance of order. A central government manages the society there, keeping criminals out through force, and brutally enforcing laws. It may not be a peaceful life, but the promise of safety has lured many people here.

Layer 3-5: These three layers are very similar in construction and are controlled by a crime syndicate known as The Watchers. They’re rife with corruption, filth and evil, all hidden under the gaudy shine of casinos and clubs. The three layers are known as ‘The Rift’

Layer 3 could be considered the best of the three, having clean streets, and somewhat safe housing, as long as one pays the protection fees. Located here are the high ranking Watchers and their syncopates.

Layer 4 is the home of the embezzlers, conmen, and schemers. Casinos are common here, along with clubs, parlors, and gaudy hotels.

Layer 5 is the quintessential slum. Roving gangs, trash on the streets, and tenements cover this depressing city.

Layer 6: This layer, sitting directly beneath the slums of Layer 5, is a massive industrial district. Huge rows of factories compete with each other for space, and depressing company towns spread in what space is left. These factories are owned by the rich on Layer 1, and they are bought and sold very frequently. The workers and unaffected by these in ownership and their monotonous lives continue regardless of who pays them.

Layer 7: The last of the layers where normal people live, this layer houses an odd community. The layer is under the control of Trident Holdings, and they employ everyone on this layer. A mixture of manufactories, office buildings, and high rise housing cover this small layer.

The Core: This area, which has no gravity, is the housing for all the life support and power systems. A massive fusion reactor sits in the center of the core, surrounded by various life support equipment.

Transport between the layers is accomplished by a system of massive elevators located at the north and south poles of the moon. These elevators are managed by Trident Holdings and are neutral ground for all factions.

 

 

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So, small issue with this. Wouldn't using spin gravity make gravity get gradually lower as you get to a higher latitude? Also, it means that any direction you're walking in that isn't exactly west or east is basically uphill.

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You can also go the other way around, turn the center of the planet into a giant canister of compressed fusion fuel, which creates the gravity. You can then build shells around that using active support. The mass of the different layers should actually mean each layer has the same surface gravity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shellworld

 

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9 minutes ago, Dr. Dapper said:

Hmm. 

How would one get access to enough mass initially though? There's also the fact that this was a "prototype" world and the coalition might not have had the resources to either obtain or transport the mass through space.

True. On the other hand, you can also just siphon gas from the gas giant the moon orbits around for the. Or if the moon was large enough (a bit heavier than earth), then the original planet could still be there, but the layers would be added on top of it, only needing a small amount of additional mass (or possible no additional mass). You'd still need fuel for electricity though, active support requires a lot of it, even with easy access to room-temperature supercomputers.

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Trident Holdings Spacecraft listings

Capital type ships:

Neptune class intersatellite carrier: The workhorse of the Trident fleet, these huge ships carry cargo and personnel between orbital stations. The Neptune class is one of the oldest designs in the Trident fleet, and stretches back to the time when Corislain was still being constructed. The design of these ships has been improved since then, but they still retain many of the original designs.

Neptune class ships are equipped with extensive cargo facilities, as well as moderate defenses.

 

Delphin class passenger cruiser: A new design, placed into production fairly recently. Its main use is for tourist cruises to exotic locations, but in a pinch, they can be used as transport or scout vehicles, although this rarely happens. The Delphin class is also the only capital ship class that can be purchased from Trident.

These craft have minimal defenses and carry only a few luxury shuttles for use by their passengers.

 

Poseidon class heavy transport: This class of craft lies somewhere in between the Neptune and Delphin classes, but it serves a very different purpose than both of them. Neptune class craft are modular, allowing for each ship to be changed to fit a mission’s needs. Usually, they are equipped with extensive docking and scientific facilities, for the purpose of exploring a new planetoid. The second most common design includes large logistics and cargo facilities, allowing for the direction of large-scale exoplanetary operations to be directed from it. The Neptune class can also be outfitted as a warship, with large weapon mountings and fighter docks. This version is usually used to quell pirate threats.

 

Smaller class ships:

 

Leviathan: A large shuttle, able to be equipped with various modules that change its focus. This shuttle is fairly common among those who own their own vehicle, and is favored among traders and explorers.

It can hold passenger cabins or cargo bays, or both, based on what the owner chooses. The maximum firepower is quite a bit, but to mount the max number of weapons, one must remove the exterior shielding.

 

Kraken: A heavy, long-range fighter, preferred by mercenary and raider groups. When used by these groups, it’s almost always modified aftermarket, with extra weapons, armor, and a more powerful, but more dangerous reactor.

 

Jorman: A mid-class transport shuttle, usually used to transport people between stations, capital ships, and moons. This ship is the most produced spacecraft in the Jilan system.

 

Squid: A light, short range fighter with a powerful arsenal, used to defend spacecraft and stations.

 

Not done, but it's looking good, IMO.

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5 minutes ago, Darth Sir Woodrack Groot said:

Propably not.

Maybe a very small amount of magic, like minor precognition, or telekinesis.

Maybe a more scientific form could be interesting, such as nano-based tech, or psychic powers?

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