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Roshar's Stone Army

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Could someone use "Breath" on all of the Old Kings (Gavilar) and servants that have been Soulcast into stone on Roshar to create their own army of Stone Lifeless?

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It's possible but requires the ninth heightening to awaken stone or metal like Nightblood

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would be no better than awakening normal statues.

On the plus side, highstorms mean that investiture on roshar is plentyful, so it should be manageable

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I always thought that Storm Light will be the series that connects all the other's together (could be wrong), so what a cool way to show the connection between worlds then to have Zahel use those to demonstrate his power. 

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42 minutes ago, king of nowhere said:

would be no better than awakening normal statues.

On the plus side, highstorms mean that investiture on roshar is plentyful, so it should be manageable

Relevant WoB:  I remembered all the WoBs saying you can use Breaths to surgebind, but I couldn’t recall any explicitly saying the opposite was also true.  Obviously stormlight fulfills the weekly requirement for Returned, but that doesn’t mean you can Awaken with it.  Turns out you’re more knowledgeable than me though, @king of nowhere ;).

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So assuming you have mentioned that it is technically possible to be able to use one magic system on another planet from a different one...

Brandon Sanderson

Yes.

Questioner

Is it possible to fuel that... Like, say could you fuel Awakening using Stormlight, or do you have to bring Breaths?

Brandon Sanderson

Yes, you could!

Questioner

Okay.

Brandon Sanderson

Excellent question. Now it's-- there are tricks to making it happen on each world. Some are easier than others, but yes you can.

Questioner

So could that allow a loophole to maybe... convert from one form of power to another? Or like from Stormlight to Breath?

Brandon Sanderson

Yes. In fact, that's part of why Vasher--

Questioner

Vasher. I wondered that.

Brandon Sanderson

--is on Roshar, is because it's a lot easier to get Stormlight than Breath.

 

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5 hours ago, Lord Mist said:

Could someone use "Breath" on all of the Old Kings (Gavilar) and servants that have been Soulcast into stone on Roshar to create their own army of Stone Lifeless?

Cool and alarming idea, not something I considered before. Be a fun turnaround and a bit of a flipped finger to the thunderclasts. "You use stone, we use stone."

5 hours ago, king of nowhere said:

would be no better than awakening normal statues.

I'm not so sure about that.

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It would be possible, as they're really stone now--the soul or whatever is gone. But since it was once alive, and in the exact form of a person, it would be a lot easier than normal.

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So the lighteyes that get Soulcast into stone, can they be Awakened?

Brandon Sanderson

*pause* So… Yes, but their soul is gone. When they get Soulcast into stone it is only the corpse, so yes they could.

Questioner

Would it be a lifeless or a-- Would it be like Awakening something inorganic or would them once being alive help?

Brandon Sanderson

The fact that they were once alive will help. There's a Spiritual Connection that still exists on the Spiritual Realm and that is going to help. But you're not going to get the person back. The fact that it is the exact form of a person is going to be really helpful. It would be a lot easier to Awaken that than it would be to Awaken other stone.

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As far as soulcasting goes, we see that the patterns existing in the original material carry over into the new material. So, hypothetically, that neural structures in the brain still exist if the person is soulcast quickly enough. They may not have the memories, but they would have the neurons wired together to preform certain tasks with muscle memory. Also, the spiritual aspect would make it much easier to give them some of their old abilities back. 

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20 hours ago, Lord Mist said:

Could someone use "Breath" on all of the Old Kings (Gavilar) and servants that have been Soulcast into stone on Roshar to create their own army of Stone Lifeless?

Kaladin's Phantoms :ph34r:

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I imagine that the bones in Kalad's Phantoms are the things that really make them effective.

 

With that in mind, here's a thought: could a body be soulcast excluding the bones? If so... that would be pretty nuts.

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25 minutes ago, tmnsquirtle said:

I imagine that the bones in Kalad's Phantoms are the things that really make them effective.

 

With that in mind, here's a thought: could a body be soulcast excluding the bones? If so... that would be pretty nuts.

I think it would depend on how much stormlight is required to soulcast a person. Jasnah has soulcasted words into a page, as well as soulcasted air into pieces of rock, as well as the smoke soulcaster was able to soulcast part of the giant spikes in the water, so I do not see a reason why you would not be able to soulcast part of a person. 

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16 hours ago, Pathfinder said:

I think it would depend on how much stormlight is required to soulcast a person. Jasnah has soulcasted words into a page, as well as soulcasted air into pieces of rock, as well as the smoke soulcaster was able to soulcast part of the giant spikes in the water, so I do not see a reason why you would not be able to soulcast part of a person. 

I'm sure it's possible; for instance, if you had only a tiny amount of stormlight, would you be able to only soulcast a single finger? The question is really one of fine control more than anything else, in my opinion.

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42 minutes ago, tmnsquirtle said:

I'm sure it's possible; for instance, if you had only a tiny amount of stormlight, would you be able to only soulcast a single finger? The question is really one of fine control more than anything else, in my opinion.

I feel like the reverse would be true. You would need more stormlight to convince the finger it is a separate entity from the rest of the person in order to soulcast only that. Now I say that qualifying it that the only definitive thing I have to go on is that Jasnah says it is more difficult to soulcast air, because it is used to being seen as one great whole rather than individual "parts". My instinct says that means it would require more stormlight, but difficulty does not always mean it requires more stormlight. All I know is I can't wait till we learn more about soulcasting! lol

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17 hours ago, Pathfinder said:

I think it would depend on how much stormlight is required to soulcast a person. Jasnah has soulcasted words into a page, as well as soulcasted air into pieces of rock, as well as the smoke soulcaster was able to soulcast part of the giant spikes in the water, so I do not see a reason why you would not be able to soulcast part of a person. 

She also soulcast Shallan’s blood to save her from poison.

It probably comes down to intent like many things in the Cosmere.

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On 1/13/2019 at 5:12 PM, Lord Mist said:

Could someone use "Breath" on all of the Old Kings (Gavilar) and servants that have been Soulcast into stone on Roshar to create their own army of Stone Lifeless?

I doubt we'll see that. It would require an Awakener skilled enough to visualize it and the ability to Awaken with Stormlight. I'm actually kinda shocked this WoB hasn't been linked here yet.

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Can Vasher use Stormlight to Awaken things?

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

No, all it does is keep him alive. But he has tried and has not figured out how to Awaken things.

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On 1/14/2019 at 4:43 PM, tmnsquirtle said:

I imagine that the bones in Kalad's Phantoms are the things that really make them effective.

 

With that in mind, here's a thought: could a body be soulcast excluding the bones? If so... that would be pretty nuts

Maybe? We've only seen Shallan's attempt at soulcasting. But the item has to agree to the change and how the item sees itself has yet to be seen for a body.

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I don't think the statues would really be able to move around, though. Stone isn't exactly malleable. The only reason Kalad's Phantoms worked is because they were bone on the inside. They had movable structures. A statue purely made of stone shouldn't be able to move any limbs or anything. Sure, they could be Awakened, but they couldn't budge or do anything.

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16 hours ago, Naurock said:

I doubt we'll see that. It would require an Awakener skilled enough to visualize it and the ability to Awaken with Stormlight. I'm actually kinda shocked this WoB hasn't been linked here yet.

 

Maybe? We've only seen Shallan's attempt at soulcasting. But the item has to agree to the change and how the item sees itself has yet to be seen for a body.

Swordnimi already made the excellent point that Jasnah soulcasted Shallan's blood. If Jasnah can exclude the rest of Shallan's body and only soulcast the blood (keeping in mind that is a circulatory system throughout the body) , then there should be no reason why other parts of the body could not be soulcasted excluding the rest of the body. My theory is the limitation is skill and stormlight. You would need more stormlight to convince a part of a person is separate, and you would have to be skilled enough at soulcasting to manipulate it as such. 

As to an awakener using stormlight to awaken, we know is possible. Just no one has figured it out yet. All systems can be hacked to power others, just some are easier to do than others. 

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On 1/13/2019 at 3:05 PM, Eris said:

I always thought that Storm Light will be the series that connects all the other's together (could be wrong), so what a cool way to show the connection between worlds then to have Zahel use those to demonstrate his power. 

While SA does have the broadest crossover between series and some of the most blatant examples, Brandon has repeatedly stated that it's intended to be a stand-alone story where you don't need to read any of his other works before it and vice versa. It would be helpful to have read Warbreaker before Words of Radiance for example, but it's not essential. The actual Big Cosmere Crossover is going to be Mistborn Era 4 which is the last major work that Brandon has plans to write.

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