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Has anyone ever asked if the Weeping is the Sibling?

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But the Sibling was sleeping during the Weeping? And lots of evidence (not on me but through the gem archives in the OB) they kind of imply that the Sibling is somehow connected the Urithiru. Do you have evidence to support your theory because I'd be interested to know your thinking behind it.

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I'm gonna need more details, like @Eris.  

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Yeah.

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The Sibling was sleeping during the Weeping while the Chimney Sweeps were Sweeping, but Kaladin had a Salad in the Shower of the Tower when the fateful Hour struck and the Sibling was unstuck from the lumbering of his slumbering and the power in the tower turned back on.

I have a disease, similar to Tourretes, where whenever I hear alliteration of certain variety I have to compose a Dr. Seuss like bit of nonsense. Please continue your discussion.

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3 minutes ago, hoiditthroughthegrapevine said:

The Sibling was sleeping during the Weeping while the Chimney Sweeps were Sweeping, but Kaladin had a Salad in the Shower of the Tower when the fateful Hour struck and the Sibling was unstuck from the lumbering of his slumbering and the power in the tower turned back on.

I have a disease, similar to Tourretes, where whenever I hear alliteration of certain variety I have to compose a Dr. Seuss like bit of nonsense. Please continue your discussion.

That added to the conversation more than you think XD plus some comedy that we all deserved

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Could the weeping be the sibling sleeping? Do we know if it has always rained crem? 

 

i dont have anything solid to base this theory on just a few things in my head that could line up. 

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On 1/5/2019 at 2:45 PM, Lord Mist said:

Has anyone ever asked if the Weeping is the Sibiling?

Thanks.

Well that would imply that the weeping was a spren and it might have one, for sure, but it, in and of itself, is not a spren. 

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I always though of the Sibling as the thing that controlled Uritherial. They had never heard of the sibling until they arrived there. 

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18 minutes ago, Lord Mist said:

Could the weeping be the sibling sleeping? Do we know if it has always rained crem? 

 

i dont have anything solid to base this theory on just a few things in my head that could line up. 

Sorry, I'm not sure where you're trying to go with this? The Weeping is a time of the year when the highstorms pause, and it rains normally, for approximately two weeks straight. It's not an object so much as an event, and it doesn't contain crem.

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I don't think the Weeping has anything to do with the Sibling. I'm guessing it has something to do with both the Origin, what happens at the Origin, and the Stormfather "recharging" to some extent. I am insanely curious what the Origin contains/how it works but haven't read the books/WoBs with that mind yet, so just vague ideas for now.

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This could be talking about the sibling:

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The art on the walls was more enigmatic. A solitary figure hovering above the ground before a large blue disc, arms stretched to the sides as if to embrace it. Depictions of the Almighty in his traditional form as a cloud bursting with energy and light. A woman in the shape of a tree, hands spreading towards the sky and becoming branches. Who would have thought to find pagan symbols in the home of the Knights Radiant?

OB CH29

 

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The pictures of the Heralds are on the Ceiling. The three describes are on the Walls.

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@equinox @Lord Mist I don't necessarily think what yall are saying is incompatible. Ishar is the Bondsmith, after all

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1 minute ago, Kon-Tiki said:

@equinox @Lord Mist I don't necessarily think what yall are saying is incompatible. Ishar is the Bondsmith, after all

This. I didn't see why Ishar, Binder of Gods, Founder of the Oathpact shouldn't get a second, more central picture.

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Well no that's not what I'm saying. I just think that there's iconography we don't understand. One appears to be associated with a Bondsmith, the other appears to be referring to a Bondsmith-level Spren. There's probably a reason for that

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No I was incredibly vague, looking back on it. Though what I'm saying does involve the fact that what is presented to us is incredibly vague

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Also the fact that it doenn't give the "person" a gender and the Sibling is called "Them" by the Stormfather.

I think i have that correct.

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I also just thought the woman in the shape of a tree would be Cultivation as in Dalinar's visit to the valley, she was described as a woman who's clothing seem to meld with the plants of the forest. The Nightwatcher, on the other hand, was seen asdark mist. But I have never considered the cloud, which seems to depict the Stormfather and not Honor. My bad.. But well.. Incredibly vague indeed :unsure:

Edit: One more question. If the Bondsmith Spren are on the artwork of the walls, why are there ten Spren depicted on other murals?

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Other murals depicted shapes that reminded her of Pattern, windspren … ten kinds of spren. One for each order? (OB, chapter 29, p. 302 on my kindle) 

 

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15 hours ago, equinox said:

I also just thought the woman in the shape of a tree would be Cultivation as in Dalinar's visit to the valley, she was described as a woman who's clothing seem to meld with the plants of the forest. The Nightwatcher, on the other hand, was seen asdark mist. But I have never considered the cloud, which seems to depict the Stormfather and not Honor. My bad.. But well.. Incredibly vague indeed :unsure:

Edit: One more question. If the Bondsmith Spren are on the artwork of the walls, why are there ten Spren depicted on other murals?

 

Good question, maybe we'll someday get clarification on what the Bondsmith spren in that group of ten looks like (pehaps some amalgamation of the Three?).  Given that she saw "windspren" though, my guess is that there would be a depiction of Gloryspren for the Bondsmith, on the theory that the Gloryspren are the kind to form Bondsmith Plate).

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She definitely identified Cryptics given her familiarity with Pattern. She could have mistaken Honorspren for windspren. Ahhhrg. Now I want to go and explore this hall myself... *pullinghairdesperately*

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Could Wisdom be a Shard? and could it be on Roshar? Could that be where the sibling get its investiture (Honor/Stormfather, Cultivation/Nightwatcher, Odium/Everstorm, ?/Sibling)? 

The reason why the Sibling is slumbering is because almost half the population thinks reading and writing is for women and most of the Listeners were in slave form?  

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Wisdom might very well be a Shard. I thought I read a WoB about that, but could only find that one (guess I read a discussion and not a WoB):

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the.fulgid [PENDING REVIEW]

Wit states, "Some men as they age, grow wiser. I am not one of those, for wisdom and I have always been at cross-purpose, and I have yet to learn the tongue in which she speaks." Is Hoid referring to wisdom as a concept?

Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW]

*Sly smile* RAFO.

Footnote: Quote from Oathbringer Chapter 68
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However, I don't think that another Shard is invested in the Rosharan System than Honor, Odium, and Cultivation: 

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Question

How many different non-human immortals are there on Roshar?

Brandon Sanderson

Wow, very specific. Most of the Aimians count. They're both small races, but there are enough of them that there are dozens of each that count as immortal, and they're non-human. The two living Shards, I would say count as non-human immortals, and most spren count as non-human immortals. So there's a ton.

source

 

Chaos (paraphrased)

How many Shards have existed on Roshar?

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

Three.

source

 

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