the winter system Posted November 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 On 11/16/2019 at 0:12 AM, Butt Ad Venture said: Heyo, quick hypothetical question. Would a Epic with the ability to have the abilities that people believes he has, work? That...makes no sense doesn’t it? So, this Epic, if someone believes that he can control fire then that is his ability. If someone believes that he can blow up pavement with a glance then he can. And if someone believes both then he can do both. His ability is to have the abilities that people think he has. How would you guys rate/score/approve/whatever this Epic ability? Are there limits? What if someone believed he was a god? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Young Pyromancer Posted November 18, 2019 Report Share Posted November 18, 2019 I think that would get counteracted by atheists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ed Venture Posted November 18, 2019 Report Share Posted November 18, 2019 11 hours ago, winter devotion said: Are there limits? What if someone believed he was a god? Limits are necessary. I’d say...he can only have abilities up to B class? So in your example, he might only be able to create objects at will. Does that make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Young Pyromancer Posted November 18, 2019 Report Share Posted November 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Butt Ad Venture said: I’d say...he can only have abilities up to B class ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ed Venture Posted November 18, 2019 Report Share Posted November 18, 2019 (edited) 40 minutes ago, The Young Pyromancer said: ? David’s notation system. I have no idea what you guys use here. ninja’d Edited November 18, 2019 by Butt Ad Venture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the winter system Posted November 18, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2019 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Butt Ad Venture said: Limits are necessary. I’d say...he can only have abilities up to B class? So in your example, he might only be able to create objects at will. Does that make sense? *incoherent screaming about quantifying powers can be heard coming from my corner of the world* Sorry, it's just, that doesn't mean anything. The difference between "Class A" and "Class B" is one thing, but what about the difference between "Class H" and "Class I"? Also, how is it useful? It's one of my many nitpicks with the original series, that they use that. Edited November 18, 2019 by winter devotion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Young Pyromancer Posted November 18, 2019 Report Share Posted November 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, Butt Ad Venture said: David’s notation system. I have no idea what you guys use here. ninja’d We use Worm classification generally, as it's the best system that I'm aware of (for its purposes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the winter system Posted November 18, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Butt Ad Venture said: David’s notation system. I have no idea what you guys use here. We don't tend to use numbers. Worm has some good classifications in terms of categories of abilities, but assigning numbers tends to be pretty useless for the aforemost mention. More effective to discuss the direct limitations. For example, "needs to focus." "range of two normal sized city blocks," and "isn't immune to their own power" are much more useful, both in universe and out. We were talking about a syntax based categorization system a long while back, I was interested in exploring that a bit further as it could probably work for building a unifying system. The specifics of the Worm classifications are useful as a starting point, but runs into problems when you transfer it to systems like my hero aca. (Again where the numbers fall short-- in BNHA, you can increase your ability with your own power with practice. That's not true in most, so for the syntax based system to work, you'd need to have the first bits be about defining the specific system, ie, Manton Effect or not (BNHA doesn't, Steelheart doesn't, Worm does-- obviously, since it comes from there), are the origins consistent (usually for everything but comic books), can people have multiple powers). Our rules are pretty loose regarding restrictions, with the limits being placed more on "what makes a good story" rather than "what exists in the setting." Numbers limit that. I don't see any system that uses numbers that actually has a point in including them, as opposed to just trying to sound scientific. I love Worm-- it's a web serial, btw-- but if they don't include a reason for the numbers by the end of it, I'mma be annoyed. The number thing is a pet peeve of mine, in case you couldn't tell, and I love superpower content. EDIT: TL;DR: We don't use numbers, basically, sorry for the wall of text. Edited November 18, 2019 by winter devotion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Young Pyromancer Posted November 18, 2019 Report Share Posted November 18, 2019 The numbers bit is in supplementary material. See this As long as you stay on that page, you shouldn't run into any spoilers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ed Venture Posted November 18, 2019 Report Share Posted November 18, 2019 (edited) That’s all actually really interesting! Hmm. So. He must focus to use his active powers, and only one at a time. Passives are always active. There’s a cooldown when switching powers, a little over five seconds. People must be in line of sight to grant powers. And he always has the powers that people truly believe he has, even if they’re detrimental. His powers are only about half as powerful as people think they are. Under the worm classification he’s a trump. And...numerically? It really fluctuates. Most powerful at a 7. Least powerful he is literally a normal human. Most of the time he’s a four, maybe a five. Did I do it correctly? Oh, and pointing out I have no plans on RPing. Just wanted to share an idea. Edited November 18, 2019 by Butt Ad Venture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the winter system Posted November 18, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2019 10 hours ago, The Young Pyromancer said: The numbers bit is in supplementary material. See this As long as you stay on that page, you shouldn't run into any spoilers. Oh, that's fine then. As long as there's a justification. Too often, it feels like people just tack on numbers and letters to sound smart. For example, "Prime Invincibility" is such a stupid term. Also, My Hero Aca doesn't get a pass-- the categorization is so weak. It's only split three ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenod Posted November 19, 2019 Report Share Posted November 19, 2019 By the way, who were we waiting on for the main planning doc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 On 16/11/2019 at 3:42 PM, Butt Ad Venture said: Heyo, quick hypothetical question. Would a Epic with the ability to have the abilities that people believes he has, work? That...makes no sense doesn’t it? So, this Epic, if someone believes that he can control fire then that is his ability. If someone believes that he can blow up pavement with a glance then he can. And if someone believes both then he can do both. His ability is to have the abilities that people think he has. How would you guys rate/score/approve/whatever this Epic ability? Epic with exactly this ability existed once in the Wastelands section of the RP, but that's currently dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the winter system Posted November 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 21 hours ago, Voidus said: Epic with exactly this ability existed once in the Wastelands section of the RP, but that's currently dead. Which one was that? I was just checking on what I'd written for the Wastelands to consider throwing Darwin at an Endbringer, so I was thinking about that RP recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 1 hour ago, winter devotion said: Which one was that? I was just checking on what I'd written for the Wastelands to consider throwing Darwin at an Endbringer, so I was thinking about that RP recently. Superiority I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breakingamber Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) About 2 years ago: I first read the Reckoners RP, and get confused reading MV's name. Now, after having taken a physics class: I get it now! Edited November 22, 2019 by breakingamber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the winter system Posted November 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 14 hours ago, breakingamber said: About 2 years ago: I first read the Reckoners RP, and get confused reading MV's name. Now, after having taken a physics class: I get it now! I’m taking physics now and I still don’t get it. Is it short for mass times velocity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breakingamber Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 3 hours ago, winter devotion said: I’m taking physics now and I still don’t get it. Is it short for mass times velocity? I believe so. Kg * m/s. Her power is the ability to affect momentum, if I recall. Not sure why her sister's name is Impact instead of Impulse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Young Pyromancer Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 Because she doesn't know physics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the winter system Posted November 24, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2019 On 11/23/2019 at 1:05 PM, breakingamber said: I believe so. Kg * m/s. Her power is the ability to affect momentum, if I recall. Not sure why her sister's name is Impact instead of Impulse. Ah. Neat. I guess I never thought about it. My own naming conventions when I first joined this thing were... hm... well, they were something. Actually, I don't think they've gotten any better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 On 24/11/2019 at 7:43 AM, The Young Pyromancer said: Because she doesn't know physics. She actually does at this point in time, the fact that they grew up post-Calamity meant a lot less opportunities for a formal education so when they chose their names they were not exactly perfect in their understanding. But Impact's quite bright and has essentially self-taught herself a lot, she uses her abilities in a lot smarter ways than MV does. Mostly because if MV actually realised what she was capable of then she'd be absolutely terrifying. EDIT: I'll also admit that MV's name actually doesn't make a whole lot of sense since neither of them would likely have known that formula. I probably should have changed her name from the one I'd had in the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Young Pyromancer Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 MV's absurd. Absolute zero, anyone? The reason she's semi-fine is that she can be killed via poison, possibly explosives, extreme temperatures, ect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 55 minutes ago, The Young Pyromancer said: MV's absurd. Absolute zero, anyone? The reason she's semi-fine is that she can be killed via poison, possibly explosives, extreme temperatures, ect. Poison would be the only reliable one of those, and if she was to ever go full on Epic overlord then she'd probably be employing a food taster. Temperature could work depending on how it was employed, her power doesn't operate on a fine enough scale to be able to freeze things to 0K so something like superheating the air with lasers would be possible since she can't affect light either. But anything like an explosion or a flamethrower is not going to be effective if she knows that it's there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the winter system Posted November 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 15 hours ago, Voidus said: She actually does at this point in time, the fact that they grew up post-Calamity meant a lot less opportunities for a formal education so when they chose their names they were not exactly perfect in their understanding. But Impact's quite bright and has essentially self-taught herself a lot, she uses her abilities in a lot smarter ways than MV does. Mostly because if MV actually realised what she was capable of then she'd be absolutely terrifying. EDIT: I'll also admit that MV's name actually doesn't make a whole lot of sense since neither of them would likely have known that formula. I probably should have changed her name from the one I'd had in the list. What actually are their abilities in the sepcific? All I know is that they yeet people around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Young Pyromancer Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 Impact is a notJobbing!Ballistic, MV swaps momentum between one thing she's touching and another thing in line of sight. Another MV weakness is anything that cuts LoS, so Blank and Typhon are hard counters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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