Turtle373 Posted December 5, 2018 Report Share Posted December 5, 2018 Yesterday my friend and I were talking about people with multiple personality disorder and all the weird stuff that can come with it, and so I was thinking about it last night and I thought what would happen if Shallan or Veil or Radiant joined Odium and the other two didn't. They would be able to do so much harm, sabotage plans, a really really good spy, or you either get a radiant or basically incapacitate one because no one would be able to trust them, and they wouldn't really be able to trust themselves. I feel like Veil would be the most likely because of her interactions with the ghostbloods, plus her personality just seems to fit with Odium for some reason. So what do you guys think about it? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrikerEZ Posted December 5, 2018 Report Share Posted December 5, 2018 @turtle373 So, Shallan doesn’t really have multiple personality disorder or anything like that. She is just using Lightweaving, taking something that most people do, instinctively changing how we act around certain people to make ourselves better, and acting as a new person. Veil and Radiant are still Shallan, even if she doesn’t want to admit it. So I don’t think that one of them could switch to team Odium without the others knowing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted December 6, 2018 Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 3 hours ago, Ookla-Shephir said: @turtle373 So, Shallan doesn’t really have multiple personality disorder or anything like that. She is just using Lightweaving, taking something that most people do, instinctively changing how we act around certain people to make ourselves better, and acting as a new person. Veil and Radiant are still Shallan, even if she doesn’t want to admit it. So I don’t think that one of them could switch to team Odium without the others knowing. Yeah I agree with this. Shallan doesn't have exactly DID. She remembers the actions each of her alternates takes, and she, to some degree, can choose when to manifest them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution Posted December 6, 2018 Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 Like this: if any main character joins Odium, it will be Shallan. I am not that certain it will happen though. Veil and Radiant turning is another thing though. If it happened, I think Shallan would either have to get rid of them, or turn as well. There is no middle ground there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle373 Posted December 6, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2018 Yeah I know it's really really unlikely of happening I just thought it was interesting to think about 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution Posted December 7, 2018 Report Share Posted December 7, 2018 10 hours ago, turtle373 said: Yeah I know it's really really unlikely of happening I just thought it was interesting to think about I agree. I have been considering the option myself. And I can defenitely see it happen (unlike Dalinar or Szeth, who I think are 100% Honor). Odium could tempt Shallan by taking her pain, like he did with Amaram, and tried to do with Dalinar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What's a Seawolf? Posted December 7, 2018 Report Share Posted December 7, 2018 I think in either SA 4 or 5 we're going to see a major spren death via broken oath or Nightblood. Right now our major spren characters are Syl, Pattern and the Stormfather. I can't imagine the Stormfather dying, and I don't think it would impact Dalinar like Kaladin or Shallan would be if they lost their Spren. Syl and Kaladin already went down the 'losing the bond' route, and those two are so intertwined I can't see Syl dying while Kaladin lives. Which leaves Pattern and Shallan. Not only does Pattern semi-frequently reference Shallan hating him/being killed, Shallan's multiple personalities (or whatever you want to call it,) could certainly lead to some Odium shenanigans. If Pattern dies, especially if it's because of something Shallan did, I can absolutely see her (after realizing what she has done, even if she thought it was the right decision at the time,) turning to less savory ways to either bring Pattern back or reinstitute a bond to get her powers back. Which would (potentially) get her to Odium. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MountainKing Posted December 7, 2018 Report Share Posted December 7, 2018 1 hour ago, What's a Seawolf? said: I think in either SA 4 or 5 we're going to see a major spren death via broken oath or Nightblood. Right now our major spren characters are Syl, Pattern and the Stormfather. I can't imagine the Stormfather dying, and I don't think it would impact Dalinar like Kaladin or Shallan would be if they lost their Spren. Syl and Kaladin already went down the 'losing the bond' route, and those two are so intertwined I can't see Syl dying while Kaladin lives. Which leaves Pattern and Shallan. Not only does Pattern semi-frequently reference Shallan hating him/being killed, Shallan's multiple personalities (or whatever you want to call it,) could certainly lead to some Odium shenanigans. If Pattern dies, especially if it's because of something Shallan did, I can absolutely see her (after realizing what she has done, even if she thought it was the right decision at the time,) turning to less savory ways to either bring Pattern back or reinstitute a bond to get her powers back. Which would (potentially) get her to Odium. Pattern has already been killed by Shallan,. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marzipan Posted December 7, 2018 Report Share Posted December 7, 2018 13 minutes ago, MountainKing said: Pattern has already been killed by Shallan,. I think that Pattern almost died because of her... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MountainKing Posted December 7, 2018 Report Share Posted December 7, 2018 No he died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted December 7, 2018 Report Share Posted December 7, 2018 35 minutes ago, MountainKing said: No he died. He didn't quite die. Quote Questioner (paraphrased) Where was Pattern before Shallan drew him? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) He was around. The bonding process had started when Shallan was young but then she pushed him away and he withdrew mostly to the Cognitive Realm until the bonding was started again and she pulled him fully into the Physical when she drew him. source Quote Kythis How did Pattern actually become a shardblade even though he hadn't been fully pulled into the physical realm? Brandon Sanderson He had been pulled into the physical realm before when Shallan was younger, and she almost broke her bond. And in so doing . . . Kythis But he didn't go mad. Brandon Sanderson She didn't completely break the bond. She didn't reject him completely. But it was dangerous there for a while. source 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkelao Posted December 7, 2018 Report Share Posted December 7, 2018 Shallan is out of her mind. She’s a playing a very dangerous game, to be drowned is her personality. I don’t know if she will rude to Odium but I don’t discard it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelly Posted December 8, 2018 Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 I think Shallan needs to be very, very careful about losing herself to an Identify more than she initially desired. In OB, she pretends to be Brightlady Merchant Haughtypants (name escapes me) to steal a supply of food from her. At one point, a bit too deep in her role, Shallan considers killing her and stepping into her role. Shallan shakes herself out of it and is a bit freaked out by that line of thought. But I think that if she took on Identity that was detrimental to her own mental health, like pretending to be a vicious serial killer or a madwoman, she may have a harder time shaking off the Identity and especially recovering from it, depending on her actions while in that Identity. It can be liberating to know you are capable of more than what you thought, but it can also be horrifying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeWndrunner,use theForce Posted December 8, 2018 Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 I totally agree with this. Shallan is far more likely to let it get out of control before she does anything about it. "I think in either SA 4 or 5 we're going to see a major spren death via broken oath or Nightblood. Right now our major spren characters are Syl, Pattern and the Stormfather. I can't imagine the Stormfather dying, and I don't think it would impact Dalinar like Kaladin or Shallan would be if they lost their Spren." -What's a SeaWolf That said I think the storm father will die before it is over, he will go back to his "pre-honors' death state" but it won't be Dalinor's fault. Odium will try to kill him directly, like in Dalinor's visions with Odium. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution Posted December 8, 2018 Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 On 2018-12-07 at 3:27 PM, What's a Seawolf? said: I think in either SA 4 or 5 we're going to see a major spren death via broken oath or Nightblood. Right now our major spren characters are Syl, Pattern and the Stormfather. I can't imagine the Stormfather dying, and I don't think it would impact Dalinar like Kaladin or Shallan would be if they lost their Spren. Syl and Kaladin already went down the 'losing the bond' route, and those two are so intertwined I can't see Syl dying while Kaladin lives. Which leaves Pattern and Shallan. Not only does Pattern semi-frequently reference Shallan hating him/being killed, Shallan's multiple personalities (or whatever you want to call it,) could certainly lead to some Odium shenanigans. If Pattern dies, especially if it's because of something Shallan did, I can absolutely see her (after realizing what she has done, even if she thought it was the right decision at the time,) turning to less savory ways to either bring Pattern back or reinstitute a bond to get her powers back. Which would (potentially) get her to Odium. If Pattern dies, I will be broken. Kill Syl instead. Or Stormfather. Or Glys. Litterally any spren. Just don’t touch Pattern. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goody153 Posted December 8, 2018 Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 (edited) On 12/8/2018 at 7:29 AM, Toaster Retribution said: If Pattern dies, I will be broken. Kill Syl instead. Or Stormfather. Or Glys. Litterally any spren. Just don’t touch Pattern. You monster ! Leave Syl alone! Kill Odium instead he's a very big spren from the Rosharan pov Edited December 16, 2018 by goody153 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution Posted December 8, 2018 Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 19 minutes ago, goody153 said: You monster leave Syl alone. Kill Odium instead he's a very big spren from the Rosharan pov I dont like Syl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoiseSpren Posted December 8, 2018 Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 Kill anybody except Timbre. Everybody loves Timbre. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrikerEZ Posted December 8, 2018 Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 How about we don’t kill any spren? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle373 Posted December 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 if we kill any spren lets kill Malata's 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrikerEZ Posted December 8, 2018 Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 17 minutes ago, Turtle373 said: if we kill any spren lets kill Malata's But I like Spark. Even though they’re with the Diagram, they’re so cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted December 8, 2018 Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 Killing the Stormfather kind of means killing everything else. Quote Narkac Where does the Stormlight in highstorms come from? Is there like a "rain cycle", but for the Stormlight? Brandon Sanderson The Stormlight in the highstorm is transferred from the Spiritual realm through the Stormfather into the highstorm. source No Stormfather means no stormlight. No stormlight means no powers, so a fairly immediate death for our heroes... And then there's the whole ecological collapse issue. Let's not do that. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle373 Posted December 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 1 hour ago, StrikerEZ said: But I like Spark. Even though they’re with the Diagram, they’re so cool. we know pretty much nothing about spark except that they want vengeance on all the other spren, so I'd rather he die than get vengeance 44 minutes ago, Calderis said: Killing the Stormfather kind of means killing everything else. No Stormfather means no stormlight. No stormlight means no powers, so a fairly immediate death for our heroes... And then there's the whole ecological collapse issue. Let's not do that. yeah that's pretty bad, would be an interesting story though, everyone loses their powers but they still have to fight a desolation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrikerEZ Posted December 8, 2018 Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 3 hours ago, Turtle373 said: we know pretty much nothing about spark except that they want vengeance on all the other spren, so I'd rather he die than get vengeance Well, I just went back and reread the part you’re talking about, and the way it reads, not just the vengeance part, but what comes before it as well, it sounds like Spark wants vengeance on the humans, not the spren. If anything she (Spark is a girl) is more on the side of the spren, even those who are bonding humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle373 Posted December 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 34 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said: Well, I just went back and reread the part you’re talking about, and the way it reads, not just the vengeance part, but what comes before it as well, it sounds like Spark wants vengeance on the humans, not the spren. If anything she (Spark is a girl) is more on the side of the spren, even those who are bonding humans. yeah well that's still vengeance against people I like sooooo, she (whoops) is still my top candidate for a spren dying, she sounds like she's got an interesting personality, but I've got priorities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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