Arcanist Lupus Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 Chp 11: Does anyone else think this is related to the Shards? We know there are 16, and the Everstorm possibly refers to when all the things in the cosmere come to a head. Since there are 16 shards, and three of them (Cultivation, Honor, and Odium) resided on Roshar, I think it's a given that this is related to the shards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lauren.e135 Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 Since there are 16 shards, and three of them (Cultivation, Honor, and Odium) resided on Roshar, I think it's a given that this is related to the shards. So is the Broken One Odium? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcanist Lupus Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 So is the Broken One Odium? I think so. Contemplating the story if it refers to anyone else makes my head hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oath Breaker Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 “The love of men is a frigid thing, a mountain stream only three steps from the ice. We are his. Oh Stormfather…we are his. It is but a thousand days, and the Everstorm comes.” chapter 5: “I have seen the end, and have heard it named. The Night of Sorrows, the True Desolation. The Everstorm.” These are interesting. I think there's reason to believe that the storms are preserving Roshar - bringing life and stormlight to a dying world. But the reference to the True Desolation as the Everstorm suggests that the storms are of evil, not good. The mists in Mistborn was a "good" and innocent force but became corrupted and abused. A high storm may be a "good" force as well but if it was altered to come twice a week or every other day.... “I wish to sleep. I know now why you do what you do, and I hate you for it. I will not speak of the truths I see.” I'm interested in this one because I not certain he's speaking to the "doctors" as they assume. “The darkness becomes a palace. Let it rule! Let it rule!” And this is one of my favorites simply because it sounds neat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeh Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 "Three of sixteen ruled, but now the Broken One reigns." Chp 11:Does anyone else think this is related to the Shards? We know there are 16, and the Everstorm possibly refers to when all the things in the cosmere come to a head. Since there are 16 shards, and three of them (Cultivation, Honor, and Odium) resided on Roshar, I think it's a given that this is related to the shards. My personal belief on this is that there were three shards ruling on Roshar, NOT including Odium. This comes from the "Three of sixteen RULED, but NOW the Broken One reigns." This makes me think that the Broken One was not one of the original 3 shards ruling. If this is the case, we know of Honor and Cultivation, but not who/what the third shard is. Since it has been confirmed that Cultivation is not the Nightwatcher, perhaps the Nightwatcher could be this mysterious 3rd shard... Not sure if this theory has been made before or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeiryWriter Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 Not sure if this theory has been made before or not. It has and it is a definitive no. Chaos How many Shards have existed on Roshar? Brandon Sanderson Three (source) Zas So the number of Shards that have been on Roshar is three, correct? Brandon Sanderson Correct. Zas People have been thrown by you saying that Odium is not native to Roshar. Brandon Odium is not native, that's the thing. Are any of them native? So if you dig the deeper question, are any of them native, ehhh, none of them are native to the planets you've seen so far. What I probably should've said to be more precise is that Honor and Cultivation were there long before Odium showed up. (source) Also, why do you say that is has "been confirmed that Cultivation is not the Nightwatcher"? I have seen nothing like that, any question that tries to ask it has been RAFO'd WoR spoilers: In fact, given what we have seen from the Lift interlude it is heavily implied they are closely related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skaa Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 (edited) Since it has been confirmed that Cultivation is not the Nightwatcher... Okay, fortunately none of my espoused theories absolutely require Nightwatcher to be Cultivation, but could you please give us a link to the source of that info? The Nightwatcher=Cultivation is a very popular theory around here, so I'm sure people will appreciate a citation. Thanks! Edit: Ninja'd by Weiry. Edited February 25, 2014 by skaa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeh Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 Okay, fortunately none of my espoused theories absolutely require Nightwatcher to be Cultivation, but could you please give us a link to the source of that info? The Nightwatcher=Cultivation is a very popular theory around here, so I'm sure people will appreciate a citation. Thanks! Edit: Ninja'd by Weiry. Also, why do you say that is has "been confirmed that Cultivation is not the Nightwatcher"? I have seen nothing like that, any question that tries to ask it has been RAFO'd WoR spoilers: In fact, given what we have seen from the Lift interlude it is heavily implied they are closely related. 41. ZenBossanova view all by ZenBossanova | Tuesday December 10, 2013 09:18pm EST @14 I also found 'awesomeness' a bit jarring, but otherwise, it was highly enjoyable. @21 The NightWatcher is NOT Cultivation. I asked Brandon at the Phoenix Comicon and that was all he would tell me. I suspect it is a character from Hoid's old world, but that is just my 2 cents. I was a little confused about the mother. It sounded like we were partly talking about the Spren's mother - and I didn't know spren had mothers. This is a post from the Lift excerpt at http://www.tor.com/stories/2013/12/words-of-radiance-excerpt-lift. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shardlet Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 That is an interesting quote, Jeh. Thanks for bringing it to our attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moogle Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 If the Nightwatcher isn't Cultivation... WoR: Alright, so what's going on with Wyndle then? His 'mother' blessed Lift, and... “You shouldn’t be able to either,” he said, sounding troubled. “What did you ask for, when you visited my mother?” ...Wyndle moved along beside Lift. “Mother has given up on your kind. I can feel it. She doesn’t care any longer. Now that He’s gone...” This was obviously intended to refer to Cultivation losing Honor. If that's not true any longer, I just don't understand. I'm inclined to think the TOR quote was wrong and Brandon gave an Aes Sedai answer that was misunderstood. Still... the Nightwatcher may also not be the person giving blessings, or else the Nightwatcher may be a spren that directly links people to Cultivation... hrm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeh Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 (edited) WoR But no, the Ring said we should choose you. ‘She has visited the Old Magic,’ they said. ‘Our mother has blessed her,’ they said. ‘She will be young, and we can mold her,’ they said. Well they don’t have to put up with—” Could it be possible that Wyndle was referencing two separate events? 1. Visiting the Old Magic (NIghtwatcher). 2. Being blessed by mother (Cultivation). So far receiving a blessing AND a curse has been associated with visiting the Old Magic, what if Lift received both from the Nightwatcher, then was blessed by Cultivation in another manner? Possibly by having the curse removed. Not the best reasoning, I admit, but it would fit the wording. This way it could still be a reference to Cultivation losing Honor, and subtly hinting at the two being separate entities entirely. BS sure likes his subtle hints and secrets. Edited February 26, 2014 by WeiryWriter okay, I "think" I fixed the spoiler tags? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skaa Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 It's also possible that individual KR bondspren are spawned from the Splinters/"Heraldspren" that (theoretically) were held by the Heralds. So, Wyndle's mother, a.k.a. the Nightwatcher, might have been a Splinter that Vedeledev held. In the same way, the Stormfather could just be Jezrien's Splinter. The Nightwatcher would have an emotional attachment to Honor (her father; Cultivation could be her mother if hybrid Splinters are a thing), so of course Tanavast's death would affect her greatly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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