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I've only recently finished Elantris and am quite interested in the Elantrian magic system and so have been developing a character for fun.

However, if I wish to worldhop as said Elantrian character (who wouldn't if they could) I face the slight disadvantage of being away from Elantris and, oh I don't know, the magic not working. 

So the crux of my inquiry is, is it possible to somehow capture or store the Dor in some sort of vessel to carry around with you in your adventures? Would these be nicrosilminds? Spheres? Some other Thing™?

I do hope it's possible, otherwise Elantrians prove to be pretty worthless worldhoppers. 

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We see the Ire do some pretty wierd stuff in the Cognitive Realm, namely the use of that giant ‘pipeline’ that seems to be filling their fortress with power. Range might be an issue, though.

Another thing you should be able to do is to store your Connection to the Dor in a Duralumin-mind, and then when you’re far away and need to use Aons, tap the Duralumin for an extra strong Connection that will hopefully power your Aons. You will have to periodically go to Sel to recharge the Connection, though.

Since Nicrosil can store Investiture, another theory is that if you went to the Cognitive Realm of Sel and didn’t die, you could possibly store a small chunk of the Dor itself to use on your travels. You would also have to periodically recharge your metalminds, though. This is similar to the Connection tactic, though more deadly, since you’re travelling to Sel’s Cognitive Realm. It could also possibly give you better results, as instead of storing the Connection to a particular Investiture you’re storing the Investiture itself.

Hope this helps!

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10 minutes ago, I think I am here. said:

We see the Ire do some pretty wierd stuff in the Cognitive Realm, namely the use of that giant ‘pipeline’ that seems to be filling their fortress with power. Range might be an issue, though.

Another thing you should be able to do is to store your Connection to the Dor in a Duralumin-mind, and then when you’re far away and need to use Aons, tap the Duralumin for an extra strong Connection that will hopefully power your Aons. You will have to periodically go to Sel to recharge the Connection, though.

Since Nicrosil can store Investiture, another theory is that if you went to the Cognitive Realm of Sel and didn’t die, you could possibly store a small chunk of the Dor itself to use on your travels. You would also have to periodically recharge your metalminds, though. This is similar to the Connection tactic, though more deadly, since you’re travelling to Sel’s Cognitive Realm. It could also possibly give you better results, as instead of storing the Connection to a particular Investiture you’re storing the Investiture itself.

Hope this helps!

It does indeed, thanks!

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Have you read Secret History? The Ire seem to have found a way to keep at least some of their abilities.

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12 hours ago, RShara said:

Have you read Secret History? The Ire seem to have found a way to keep at least some of their abilities.

I don't think they could perform AonDor for the weird situation they were in.

I assumed the best they could do was to feed themself with Investiture (unclear if it is the Dor or something else) to keep their Elantrian status at last partially at work (unless they will die for old age) but they can't performe AonDor (by the way, for how the AonDor works... I wonder if it could be used in the CR at all...)

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10 hours ago, Yata said:

I don't think they could perform AonDor for the weird situation they were in.

I assumed the best they could do was to feed themself with Investiture (unclear if it is the Dor or something else) to keep their Elantrian status at last partially at work (unless they will die for old age) but they can't performe AonDor (by the way, for how the AonDor works... I wonder if it could be used in the CR at all...)

I did say some abilities, not all :)

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Don't forget about Stick, he is quite the effective worldhopper

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I've hust come back to this and were wondering about ways to enhance my character. I accepted the theory you proposed @I think I am here. where you store some of the door in a nicrosilmind. I then considered that a way you may be able to avoid having to return to Sel may be compounding the Dor in your nicrosilmind. i.e. Storing the door in a nicrosilmind and then burning the metalmind to increase the amount if the Dor. This would require both nicrosil feruchemy and allomancy, but that's a small matter. My question is whether the Dor would actually be able to be compounded. I don't see a reason it shouldn't be able to as you aren't doing anything different to regular compounding. Storing investiture in a piece of metal then burning the metal to amplify the investiture stored there in. So I don't see an obvious reason as to why it wouldn't work, but I welcome your opinion. 

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You are doing something different though. Scadrians are composed primarily of Preservation Investiture, and the compounding is fueled by Preservation. 

If you were to burn The Dor, you be attempting to convert the Investiture of Preservation to a mixture of Dominion and Devotion. I'm very doubtful that that sort of conversion is possible. 

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Is there anything aside from conjecture to support the idea that investitures of different shardic origins can't interact in such a way?

The only real case of investitures interacting is with Zahel and fueling his Returnedness with stormlight rather than biochroma. I don't know if that comes close to what you'd be trying to do by compounding the Dor but it at least attempts to illustrate my point. i.e: do we know that it's an issue trying to fuel one investiture with another?

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26 minutes ago, The Grumpy Elantrian said:

Is there anything aside from conjecture to support the idea that investitures of different shardic origins can't interact in such a way?

The only real case of investitures interacting is with Zahel and fueling his Returnedness with stormlight rather than biochroma. I don't know if that comes close to what you'd be trying to do by compounding the Dor but it at least attempts to illustrate my point. i.e: do we know that it's an issue trying to fuel one investiture with another?

Fueling one system with another isn't a problem. You could probably make it work, with some slight alterations to the function... But it wouldn't be the Dor that was being produced. 

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1 hour ago, The Grumpy Elantrian said:

So it would be corrupted investiture? (Corrupted in cosmere terms not our meaning)

I see two possibilities. You'd get the ability to feed Dor based abilities, exactly like fueling one system with another. No conversion, and as a result you'd get some weird side effects. 

OB spoilers. 

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Similar to how, in my opinion at least, the Fused Surges behave differently due to being fueled by voidlight. 

OR, you'd burn the Nicrosil, get the allomantic ability, and the Dor stored within would be shunted back into you, like burning Awakened metal. 

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Questioner (paraphrased)

What would happen if Allomancer was also an Awakener and Awakened metal he'd burn?

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

If he did that, he’d get allomantic power and also get back the Breaths used in Awakening the metal.

Footnote: supposedly it was around half an hour into the signing line; has not been found on the record although we may have started it after it was asked already; follow-up to this
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