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Is there more Lerasium?

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Is there a chance there is more Lerasium? Preservation was obsessed with 16 as his sign, so would he not have also put 16 Lerasium beads in the chamber of the Well of Ascension? Also could Harmony choose to produce either of his godmetals, should it be needed?

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Is there a chance there is more Lerasium? 

Hoid has the last remaining one afaik.

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Preservation was obsessed with 16 as his sign, so would he not have also put 16 Lerasium beads in the chamber of the Well of Ascension? 

The 16 was his "shard number" and it was only significant for that battle with the Atium Mistings vs Koloss. There weren't 16 Lerasiums and the Lord Ruler was the one who produced them not Preservation himself.

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Also could Harmony choose to produce either of his godmetals, should it be needed?

Yes he can.

I don't think he will ever do tho.

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Probably, yes. 

Rashek have 9 beads to mortal kings to create the first Mistborn, and then there was the one Hoid took, and the one Elend used. So we have eleven accounted for. 

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SageOfTheWise

Is there a reason why Rashek left a nugget of Lerasium at the Well of Ascension?

Brandon Sanderson

He left several. It was, in his opinion, one of the best kept secrets and best protected locations in his empire.

Phantine

Were there originally 16 of them?

Brandon Sanderson

An excellent guess.

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I think it's safe to say there was more... Did it survive the Catacendre? Who knows. 

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On 21/9/2018 at 7:25 AM, goody153 said:

The 16 was his "shard number" and it was only significant for that battle with the Atium Mistings vs Koloss.

Be careful in stating stuffs about "shard numbers" as far as we know there isn't something like that in the Cosmere. Our better guest (and still is uncertain) is about the planets to have weird number constants in them and the Shards in residence in a some way inherited that. Under this assumption 16 was the Preservation's number in the same way it was the Ruin's number.

On 21/9/2018 at 7:25 AM, goody153 said:

There weren't 16 Lerasiums and the Lord Ruler was the one who produced them not Preservation himself.

TLR didn't make the Lerasium (also if honestly he could during his Ascension) and the Lerasium wasn't even at the Well's location.

Rashek needs to seek it and found it to later exploit it for his purposes.

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Questioner

Did the Lord Ruler create the lerasium that he gave to the ten foreign kings? Or where they put there by Leras--

Brandon Sanderson

Oh, good question… No one's asked me that before, I don't believe. Did the Lord Ruler create the lerasium that he gave-- No, he found the lerasium. It was existent before his Ascension.

Questioner

Can I ask if it was placed there intentionally by Leras or did it sort of grow similar to how atium--

Brandon Sanderson

The Lord Ruler-- It was not placed for him, he had to-- he had to get it.

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About who made the Lerasium, is unknown. My theory is a previous Hero but it's possible Preservation simply produced it as key components for his plan

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On 9/21/2018 at 8:07 AM, Yata said:

Be careful in stating stuffs about "shard numbers" as far as we know there isn't something like that in the Cosmere.

What would you say about Stormlight Archive then?

(Small Stormlight Archive spoilers)

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10 is important to Roshar, and by extension Honor. But Odium (who admittedly was "originally" [I think that's where he was first] settled on Ashyn) is associated with 9. I don't think we have seen any leaning for Cultivation.

 

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3 minutes ago, Govir said:

What would you say about Stormlight Archive then?

(Small Stormlight Archive spoilers

The only WoB that comes to mind technically references them by planets rather than shards

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Herald (paraphrased)

Is there more significance to the 10 other planets around the Rosharan star system and them being gaseous? We know that Roshar's moons have unnatural orbits; so there seems to be some astronomical manipulation in the system.

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

Yes there is significance of 16 in cosmere and 10 in Rosharan system.

Herald (paraphrased)

The outer 10 gas giants in the Rosharan system suggest a tie to the number 10 that predates the arrival of the current Shards. Is the prominent numerology we see around the cosmere an inherent property of the planets, rather than the Shards who invest them?

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

Big RAFO.

Herald (paraphrased)

Would Ashyn/Braize share the 10-centric numerology of Roshar?

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

Yes 10-centric is for the entire Rosharan planetary system...wait Braize is 9-centric.

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The suggestion that the ten planets are important implies that ten was a significant number to Roshar before the shattering.

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My personal theory is that the small pots the Lerasium beads are found in are like the Atium crystals! They somehow pool the ambient power of Preservation into the beads over a long period of time. 

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16 hours ago, Fourth Of The Night said:

My personal theory is that the small pots the Lerasium beads are found in are like the Atium crystals! They somehow pool the ambient power of Preservation into the beads over a long period of time. 

The Atium happened only for a precise will of a Shard (not even Ruin), I doubt the Lerasium worked in the same way as Preservation had no reason to put in place a mechanism to spread Lerasium over time.

Honestly I think Preservation or one of the previous Heroes simply condensed some power to craft it for a future use. At this point everything is a speculation

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On 9/25/2018 at 5:31 AM, Yata said:

The Atium happened only for a precise will of a Shard (not even Ruin), I doubt the Lerasium worked in the same way as Preservation had no reason to put in place a mechanism to spread Lerasium over time.

Didn't he, though? The entirety of his plan required Allomancy to be available, which means the Lerasium had to be created and used by humans. The creation of Lerasium is tied to the creation of Atium. Atium condensed and hid Ruin's power, while Lerasium gave humans the ability to burn it away.

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7 minutes ago, Fourth Of The Night said:

Didn't he, though? The entirety of his plan required Allomancy to be available, which means the Lerasium had to be created and used by humans. The creation of Lerasium is tied to the creation of Atium. Atium condensed and hid Ruin's power, while Lerasium gave humans the ability to burn it away.

Preservation's plan wasn't a really very good, which is essentially stated outright in Secret History where Kelsier says no one knows the significance of the number 16.

It also required an army of atium mistings, which no one would know existed because no one would test it with such an expensive element, to be gathered to burn it away.

And note that mistborn, which Lerasium creates, are not required. Only mistings, which really just requires the potential for snapping to be present in the populace. 
The new mists that began appearing forced people to snap that wouldn't have over the course of their normal life. They had the potential but weren't spiritually broken enough.
So part of Preservations strategy was to snap atium mistings.

So there's no need for perpetual lerasium, just a few people to use it and then propagate.
 

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Preservations plan was good, as far as it went.

Its flaws can mainly be attributed to its inability to adapt, since it was made by Preservation so long ago. Once he lost most of his mind he couldn't adapt the plan to fit any changes to the future.

The Lord Ruler limiting knowledge, both of technology and Allomancy, as well as hoarding the Atium instead of allowing it to be burned were issues he hadnt accounted for and, by the time they happened, was unable to fix.

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19 hours ago, Jace21 said:

Preservations plan was good, as far as it went.

Its flaws can mainly be attributed to its inability to adapt, since it was made by Preservation so long ago. Once he lost most of his mind he couldn't adapt the plan to fit any changes to the future.

The Lord Ruler limiting knowledge, both of technology and Allomancy, as well as hoarding the Atium instead of allowing it to be burned were issues he hadnt accounted for and, by the time they happened, was unable to fix.

I don't know that TLR hindered this aspect of Preservation's plan - on the contrary, I think he was key in facilitating the necessary effect.

Why? Because atium had to be harvested from the geodes at the Pits of Hathsin. Which TLR not only ran as a large scale, 24/7 operation (albeit via working skaa to death as penal forced labor), but he also did it in such a way as to hide from the ever-watching Ruin as to what was going on, which is rather astounding.

Had he never run the Pits as he did, all that atium would have been manifest as beads grown inside geodes in the Pits over a thousand years of time, with no way for humans to access it all and then burn it away on short notice. Ruin would eventually have located and acquired it.

Instead, most of it was mined and then directly sent to the Trustwarren in secret. To gather it in one place, specifically so it could be burned en masse by a crew of Allomancers, leaving nothing left for a freed Ruin, even though TLR may not have fully appreciated that that would be key.

Remember, atium was unknown to Scadrial until Rashek's Ascension - the knowledge he gained while holding Preservation not only educated him as to its existence and use, but its location and source. Just imagine Ruin's frustration at seeing Rashek using atiumminds for his eternal youth, and passing atium beads around to Mistborn and Inquisitors (and even discovering atium Mistings like Yomen) for about 1,000 years, all a fraction of what was being pulled out, while never tipping off where all of it was going.

Ruin most likely knew all along that the Pits was where the atium was manifesting; it was his "body", after all. So not harvesting it would have just left it all there for him to go get at any time.

And running it as an ordinary mining operation, allowing free circulation of atium in the Final Empire, would have guaranteed Ruin's ability to get his hands on quite a lot of it (albeit in a somewhat piecemeal fashion) upon getting free, via Inquistors.

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1 hour ago, robardin said:

Just imagine Ruin's frustration at seeing Rashek using atiumminds for his eternal youth, and passing atium beads around to Mistborn and Inquisitors (and even discovering atium Mistings like Yomen) for about 1,000 years, all a fraction of what was being pulled out, while never tipping off where all of it was going.

Now I'm just imagining Ruin whispering in Rashek's ears, attempting to drive him even more insane, and then he suddenly has a "squirrel" moment of, "Wait is that a new Atium bead! Where did that come from!?" Even funnier, he probably would read and reread House Venture's accounts over and over again trying to figure out how the Atium got transported, and where the missing supply was. Really, it's just funny imagining Ruin getting frustrated while doing paper work.

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On 9/26/2018 at 3:06 PM, Jace21 said:

Its flaws can mainly be attributed to its inability to adapt, since it was made by Preservation so long ago. Once he lost most of his mind he couldn't adapt the plan to fit any changes to the future.

I'd also argue that a lot of trust was placed in humans. Probably too much.

Pretty much everything hinged on Preservation's champion (Vin) ascending to preservation's power, then using it to destroy ruin, and finally a single individual coming along and picking up both shards at once. 

It's easy to see how any of that could go badly: Vin might not have had the balls to do it, she could have died at some point, literally anyone else could have been chosen, etc. Even having sazed come out with any other individual and let them pick up one of the shards could have foiled the original plan.

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Indeed Fuzz was a pawn of Preservation's plan like everyone Preservation considered/predicted the damages trapping Ruin will cause him like he predicted everything else.

His damaged version was a part like the rest, as also he predicted Rashek's decision to suppress the knowledge of some metals (by the way also without Rashek all the 16 mundane Allomantic metals can't be discovered during the Era1)

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It's impossible to say how much of preservations plan was guess work and how much was calculation due to his talent with foresight. In all probability, he knew his end game and saw all the pieces in motion long before we saw the damaged and severely restricted Leras in SH

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