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Where does lost Investiture go?

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It is stated that in end-negative systems, hemalurgy being the prime example, investiture is lost during the process. However, it is also said that investiture can not be created or destroyed, so what happens to it? Does it return to the shards?

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trevorade

Is investiture finite? Hemalurgy and a Return's need to consume breath seems to show us that it can be destroyed. If it is finite, is the Cosmere's magic source doomed to the law of entropy?

Brandon Sanderson

Investiture can not be created or destroyed. It follows it's own version of the laws of Thermodynamics.

Joe_____

So what happens to the investiture that is lost when a person is spiked and the spike isn't set in the new person immediately? Does it return to the big pool of investiture in the sky like the power from wheel of time where if its not actively being used it returns to the source?

Brandon Sanderson

What happens to someone's body when it's not being used by a particular person? The system is built to work like that.

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It's cyclical. And regardless of if it's present in all realms there's still a focal point where it exists most heavily. Investiture can transition like anything else. 

You have the physical manifestations of investiture. And for example with Stormlight... 

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Narkac

Where does the Stormlight in highstorms come from? Is there like a "rain cycle", but for the Stormlight?

Brandon Sanderson

The Stormlight in the highstorm is transferred from the Spiritual realm through the Stormfather into the highstorm.

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Yep. Back into the Spiritual to be recycled back into the system. 

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6 minutes ago, Calderis said:

Yep. Back into the Spiritual to be recycled back into the system. 

Has Brandon actually said that? Because in the WOBs I’ve seen relating to the subject, he basically implied that it’s like thermodynamics. Because technically Investiture never ‘leaves’ the Spiritual Realm, does it? It has all three aspects at all times.

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1 minute ago, Calderis said:

It's cyclical. And regardless of if it's present in all realms there's still a focal point where it exists most heavily. Investiture can transition like anything else. 

You have the physical manifestations of investiture. And for example with Stormlight... 

 

I stand corrected. I wonder if Brandon envisions the Cosmere universe having an overall cyclic cosmology too. It would seem to be consistent with that.

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I think when it's said to be 'lost' the mechanics behind it is more that you're using more energy than you should be to work the effects, similar to the legend of the negative calories of celery.

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For what it's worth there's also this:

 

 

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So just for clarification, once Nightblood consumes investiture, that investiture gets recycled? That's what I've always assumed. That it enters the cognitive/spiritual realm?

Brandon Sanderson

The investiture he consumes is not gone forever--it's not leaving the system, so to speak.

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