Karou Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 (Hopefully this is the right place to post this.) So, while reading WoR, I fixated on the wording of one sentence... this is what came of it. Theory: Vin is Iyatil. Evidence: “Vin rode on the seat directly across from him – her legs tucked up underneath her...” Mistborn, page 149 “Vin sat in her overstuffed chair in the conference room, legs tucked beneath her..” Mistborn, page 200 “She still wore her dress … though she sat in an unladylike position, legs tucked beneath her.” Mistborn page 320. (I can't find my copy of Mistborn, but I found those with a quick google search.) “Iyatil sat across from Shallan, legs tucked beneath her, watching with beady, masked eyes. The woman wore simple trousers and a shirt, such that Shallan had originally mistaken her for a boy that first time.” Sanderson, Brandon (2014-03-04). Words of Radiance (Stormlight Archive, The) (p. 757). Tom Doherty Associates. Kindle Edition. Flimsy evidence, yes, but Brandon Sanderson seems to be the type of guy who chooses his words carefully. More circumstantial evidence: Iyatil carries a dagger; Vin, as a Mistborn carried glass ones, so her non-allomantic weapon of choice would likely be a dagger. Iyatil is tiny and dresses in simple trousers and a shirt... like Vin. It's been a while since I've reread Mistborn, so I can't say much for personality – Vin changed a lot throughout the series, so I'm going of vague memories here – Iyatil is mostly quiet – she definitely speaks before she speaks. She's very cautious. Seems to be the way I remember Vin. But wait, you say. Vin is dead. Yes, and Sazed was unable to bring her back to life. But, there are approximately 300 years between the Mistborn Trilogy and Alloy of Law. The events in the Stormlight Archive occur during that 300 year gap. It's not unreasonable to think that Sazed may have found a way to bring her back sometime after the close of Hero of Ages. Also, if Demoux is a worldhopper, why not zombie Vin as well?The Ghostbloods don't really seem like the kind of organization Vin would be a part of, right? Well, we don't really know a whole lot about them... maybe she's on an infiltration mission? 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smearedblackink Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 I really like this theory! There doesn't seem to be enough information to confirm it, but I must say I now certainly hope! I'll be keeping my eye out in the future for anything that could link Iyatil to Vin ~sbi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numb Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 (edited) I don't think you are right but I hope you are. I can just imagine Vin training Shallan in how to be a huge badass. For a more serious answer Brandon did specifically say Vin/Elend story was done. Also don't see Vin just sitting back and letting other people do the work for her. She would also be far too powerful unless she doesn't have access to her metals unless she doesn't have her powers. Edited March 14, 2014 by Numb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worldsinger Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 Good catch! I would have never caught this. She does sound like Vin from the comparisons you've brought up and you are right Mr. Sanderson is definitely someone who would choose his words carefully. That or he really likes torturing people and he knew that a character similar to Vin in certain ways would drive people bonkers.I wonder if Zombie Vin would be as awesome as Mistborn Vin?! I hope this is a correct theory! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haradion Drogon Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 I am thinking that the Stormlight Archive will be the catalyst to the wider Cosmere Story. We know that he plans 36 books... I think the last Stormlight archive will be the point when we know what is going on, where is happening... I am beginning to suspect that Odium is a distraction - that there is a greater evil at work, manipulating the shards against one another... I have no evidence for this - but I would love the brightest and best characters of the Cosmere to gather on Roshar, in preparation for this finale... Just mindless speculation there... I hope you are right. I would love the characters to start coming together... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karou Posted March 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 For a more serious answer Brandon did specifically say Vin/Elend story was done. Also don't see Vin just sitting back and letting other people do the work for her. She would also be far too powerful unless she doesn't have access to her metals unless she doesn't have her powers. I was worried someone would say something like that. I would love the brightest and best characters of the Cosmere to gather on Roshar Agreed; that would be pretty awesome. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numb Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 Sanderson did say that Saze has a hard time acting against Odium because of his Shards nature. What better indirect way to fight Odium than resurrect the personification of badass? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worldsinger Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 Is it possible someone could have figured out how to bring a hero such as Vin back? Also I believe the events that happen in the Stormlight Archive are going to be tied to something more vast than just the Stormlight Archive itself. It seems important people are gravitating towards Roshar and while they may only be making easter egg cameos; I believe their appearance means something massive is going to happen here in regards to the Cosmere. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmurfAquamarineBodies Posted March 15, 2014 Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 Is it possible to fuel allomancy with stormlight? Because if she is vin and it is possible to fuel allomancy with stormlight, how powerful would vin be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moogle Posted March 15, 2014 Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 Is it possible to fuel allomancy with stormlight? Because if she is vin and it is possible to fuel allomancy with stormlight, how powerful would vin be? It's possible with jury-rigging. We don't know what that involves. It would be much like using the mists by our current understanding of magic use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khyrindor Posted March 15, 2014 Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 PLEEEEAEAAASSSSSS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordofsoup Posted March 15, 2014 Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 Holy rust awesomeness boner right now. If this was legit I would be so happy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempus Posted March 15, 2014 Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 (edited) I don't believe that Iyatil is Vin, simply because Sanderson has said many times that he is not in the habit of resurrecting characters - if they die, he wants them to die, even if their influence lives on. Another huge point, Iyatil's turns of phrase are very formal - not at all like Vin. Iya talks even more formally than the lighteyes. Iyatil also shows a tendency to prefer infiltration by deception rather than infiltration by stealth. Let's be honest, Vin would never talk her way into a building when she could creep . That said, there are a lot of coincidental traits with Vin. Iyatil is the master of Mraize. Mraize is widely suspected to be worldhopper, and the ghostblood layer in specific had a large number of off-Roshar items in it. It is extremely likely she is a worldhopper, or at the very least is in collusion with a world hopper. Iyatil mentions that she wears the mask because it leaves her less exposed, and makes it easier to adapt. Similar to say... mistcloaks and the mist? But I think these are just coincidences. It's not unusual for writers to stock a number of habits and traits that they reuse over and over again to show particular things. Edited March 15, 2014 by Tempus 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worldsinger Posted March 15, 2014 Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 Is it possible to fuel allomancy with stormlight? Because if she is vin and it is possible to fuel allomancy with stormlight, how powerful would vin be? Hopefully as powerful as everbodys favorite talking sword! ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamma Fiend Posted March 15, 2014 Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 This is my new: "Crazy theory I want to be true, but am too afraid to admit in my heart it'd be too good to hope for." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormcrown Posted March 15, 2014 Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 One of the potential story reasons I could say this, is if Vin ever found out why Preservation was killed she would be VERY upset. Upset enough to look further into it.She just seems passionate enough not to let other people solve her problems. Although why would she wear a mask? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroundPetrel Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Sanderson did say that Saze has a hard time acting against Odium because of his Shards nature. What better indirect way to fight Odium than resurrect the personification of badass? Upvoting this because pure awesomeness, Even though it's something of a crackpot theory for reasons already discussed...I love it and I soooooo want it to be true. SA appears to be a big Crisis Crossover sort of series. And Vin plus Vasher plus Nightblood plus Galladon plus every other epic badass in the cosmere equals an asskicking curb-stomp of Odium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asperity Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 I'm too lazy to look it up but I believe in one of the HoA annotations, it was stated that Vin would not be returning and how Brandon had a discussion with a reader who wanted everybody to live happily ever after (which is incredibly unrealistic.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmingly Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 He may have pulled a complete hipocracy gambit in the name of preserving plot twists, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karou Posted March 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Well, that’s my first trilogy. I think I improved quite a bit as I wrote these books, and hopefully this ending will satisfy my readers. The inevitable question is going to be “Will there be more Mistborn books?” The answer is “Probably.” However, know a few things. First off, the next series—if I do it—will not include Vin or Elend. They’re dead. That’s just the way it is. Sorry. Annotation Mistborn 3 Series Wrap-Up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmingly Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 He implies next Mistborn series. He doesn't rule out SA. Also, he can change his mind and admit to such. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karou Posted March 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Agreed, Swimmingly. While the likelihood of my theory turning out to be correct is not promising, I can still hold out hope. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guinevere Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Is it possible that Iyatil is a Shardholder herself? It seems to me that someone would need to be pretty darn powerful for a man like Mraize to commit himself to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempus Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 If Iyatil is a character we know, it could be the Terriswoman worldhopper, or Khriss (I'm assuming Khriss is a girl, I do not have a copy of said book, I just think the way the name is spelt feels like the tendency to 'girlify' names by spelling them weirdly). I don't believe we know of any other female worldhoppers, and those are the most likely candidates to my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChimeraRuin Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 Vin's zombie seeker sister. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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