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[OB] Foresight in the Cosmere

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I'm putting together a list of known uses of foresight in the cosmere for CRAZY THEORIES science.  Help fill any gaps I've forgotten? 

Also by "foresight", I mean ANY glimpses into the future by any means magical, mathematical, or otherwise.

Roshar

  • Voidbinding/Renarin
  • Taravangian's Diagram
  • Death Rattles

Scadrial (I get confused by these tbh)

  • Atium
  • Malatium
  • Chromium  
  • Electrum

First of the Sun

  • Sak's Death Visions

Nalthis

  • Returned's original moment of death/vision

Sel

  • Wyrn limited foresight

Taldain

  • None? (I haven't read White Sand)

Others

  • Each Shard's overall foresight
  • Hoid's knowing where to be.....thing
  • Kaladin & the lighthouse sphere (Nalthian/Selish?)
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I think the Stormwardens fall under calculating a reoccurring pattern, and not true foresight. Kalidin sees the future when riding a highstorm, but that's a consequence of being connected to SF and by extension Honor's power in the spiriti realm, so that might just be Shardic sight.

Sel's power(The Elantrians at least) can do whatever as long as the commands are correct. Its not a question of can they, but do they know how.

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32 minutes ago, Wandering Investor said:

Sel's power(The Elantrians at least) can do whatever as long as the commands are correct. Its not a question of can they, but do they know how.

We haven't actually seen them use any type of foresight though, have we?

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Roshar: Kaladin and the sphere in OB

Scadrial: Fortune feruchemy

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1 hour ago, Zellyia said:

We haven't actually seen them use any type of foresight though, have we?

Not that I know of, I just think its a safe assumption. Depends on what the lighthouse keeper in OB was using to make his fortune telling sphere function.

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Sel definitely has some level of foresight, as Wyrn was able to send Fjon to Tedradel to kill Hrathen in the end.

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Ooooooo!  Good catch about the Wyrn.

Stormwardens....I think I'm gonna leave that off the list.  It is math related, but it's not the sort of thing I'm looking for.

1 hour ago, John203 said:

Roshar: Kaladin and the sphere in OB

Scadrial: Fortune feruchemy

Fortune feruchemy is related to Chromium, yes?  Storing up luck/altering probability?

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2 hours ago, Zellyia said:

Fortune feruchemy is related to Chromium, yes?  Storing up luck/altering probability?

Yes, if I remember correctly.

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The Lighthouse keeper in OB uses the term "Merciful Domi". I assumed this meant he was from Sel. The device is also somewhat similar in nature to the Orb that the Iri used in Mistborn Secret History.

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3 hours ago, Zellyia said:

Fortune feruchemy is related to Chromium, yes?  Storing up luck/altering probability?

Fortune is foresight (seeing long term consequences of actions you take now, like a less specific, but longer term atium)

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Just now, John203 said:

Fortune is foresight (seeing long term consequences of actions you take now, like a less specific, but longer term atium)

I'm pretty sure Atium makes use of Fortune, so it capable of both short and longer term future sight. Its just that the farther you go, the less exact it gets.

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Also on Nalthis the Returned have some sort of foresight related to their interpretations of the paintings.  Warbreaker spoiler's below.

Spoiler

Brandon Sanderson

Lightsong Sees the Painting of the Red Battle

This is our first major clue (though a subtle one at the same time) that there might be something to the religion of the Iridescent Tones. Lightsong does see something in this painting that an ordinary person wouldn't be able to. A well-crafted piece of art, made by a person channeling the Tones and connected to them via Breath, can speak to a Returned. Now, in this case, it doesn't work quite like Llarimar says it does—Lightsong doesn't actually prophesy about the black sword in the way the priest thinks. In other words, Lightsong isn't prophesying that he'll see the Black Sword (Nightblood) in the day's activities.

Instead, Lightsong is seeing an image of a previous war, which is prophetic in that another Manywar is brewing—and in both cases, Nightblood will be important to the outcome of the battle.

The person Lightsong sees in the abstract painting is Shashara, Denth's sister, one of the Five Scholars and a Returned also known as Glorysinger by the Cult of the Returned. She is seen here in Lightsong's vision as she's drawing Nightblood at the battle of Twilight Falls. It's the only time the sword was drawn in battle, and Vasher was horrified by the result.

It's because of her insistence on using the sword in battle, and on giving away the secret to creating more, that Vasher and she fought. He ended up killing her with Nightblood, which they'd created together during the days they were in love—he married her a short time before their falling out. That marriage ended with him slaying his own wife to keep her from creating more abominations like Nightblood and loosing them upon the world.

Nightblood is part of a much larger story in this world. He's dropped casually into this particular book, more as a side note than a real focus of what's going on, but his own role in the world is much, much larger than his supporting part here would indicate.

source

 

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@Ryder That depends on whether they're interrupting the painting via their Super Breath, or just remembering things from the time between death and resurrection. 

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IIRC Brandon has at least implied that they are seeing the future a little through interpreting the paintings. It's been a while since I read the annotations for Warbreaker though.

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On 3/12/2018 at 9:11 AM, Zellyia said:

Ooooooo!  Good catch about the Wyrn.

Stormwardens....I think I'm gonna leave that off the list.  It is math related, but it's not the sort of thing I'm looking for.

Fortune feruchemy is related to Chromium, yes?  Storing up luck/altering probability?

I wouldn't scratch the Stormwardens off so fast - ever since we found out that they were the trusted advisers that told Amaram to kill Kaladin's crew for the shardblade, I've felt something was off about those guys. If they were simple mathematicians I wouldn't think Brandon would shroud them in so much mystery - I think he's building us up to a reveal that Stormwardens have been subtly working with Odium for a while.

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Working with Amaram would be more likely to associate them with the Sons of Honor, who we know little about. But the stormwarden formulas are noted to be available to people outside their numbers, notably Shallan's brother and I think Kal's father as well. 

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