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I asked some questions here:

But as I figured, some fans other than Brandon himself may know some of the answers, I decided to post it here as well. Here is my post almost without change. I know most of this stuff would be RAFOed by Brandon if he were asked (which is quite logical); so, I wanted to hear about your guesses and points that I've certainly missed:

 

" We have this phrase as a fact in the Coppermind:

A: ...the main story of the cosmere occurs in a compact dwarf galaxy, meaning it has many fewer stars and systems than our galaxy.

And this one:

B: There are ten primary planets in the cosmere, sometimes called Shardworlds,

So here's the questions:

1-Is the Cosmere that dwarf galaxy (with 10 primary planets and stuff) or the universe (its main story happen in A dwarf galaxy?

 

and my other questions:

 

2-Surely there's much difference between the whole universe and one galaxy. There are at least an estimated 200 billion number of galaxies in our own universe. Is this universe (which is or contains Cosmere) the same as ours? Could Adonalsium be the craft of some ultimately advanced

3-Is Adonalsium related to other galaxies somehow? Does the God who is believed and is not one of the Shards have anything to do with them? Is the God other than Adonalsium have infinite powers too?

4-Did Adonalsium create all galaxies and the whole universe or just the first humans and some planets at least? If there are two creators with infinite power, it might be that none of them created all galaxies, cause I doubt a same universe can have two omnipotent creators.

5-If Adonalsium created human beings, do other races (non-humanoid, non-anthropomorphic ones) exist in the Cosmere?

6-Is Adonalsium really a God (like there's one omnipotent God in Christianity, Islam and Judaism) who created humankind or it's a representation of some ultimately evolved species and intelligence? I mean something like the First-Born that exist in A.C.Clarke's Space Odyssey series, ultimately-evolved species which gained non-corporeal forms over millions of years; or the Catalyst in Mass Effect video game, an AI of a billion years old."

 

P.S. This was what I intended to ask Brandon with some slight changes and omitting unnecessary parts. I would be glad to know your comments on it (your guesses will also be appreciated). Sorry if some of these seem irrelevant questions. But I was curious about all these stuff and itched to ask it somewhere!

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6 hours ago, John203 said:

 

Talks about how Adonalsium's infinite power is 16 times greater than a shard's infinite power, where I got the idea of "more omnipotent" from.

Thanks. I see. It's about potential and kinetic energies; the amount of energy that could be used and released.

I'm not a mathematician but I think there are some problems:

1-Infinity divided by infinity is undefined. It's not infinite.

2-Again, being infinite doesn't mean omnipotent; which means something that can do anything; so if you you have infinite power and some of it is still potential and not usable, you are not omnipotent. Like shards are not for now.

3-Above all, there are physical infinity and mathematical infinity. The first one is relative while the second one is absolute.

Any way, you think Adonalsium (before shattering) was omnipotent?

Hey guys! Some help here?!

@Chaos Sorry to bother you, Eric! Could you tell me if I'm talking nonsense, so I can be done with it?!

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I'll take a crack at some of these...

1) First off, I think I heard talk about Brandon downgrading the idea of a dwarf galaxy to a star cluster. The cosmere in-world would refer to, or replace the word for the universe, but all the relevant stuff happens in one somewhat localized corner of it, centered around Adonalsium and wherever it began.

2) Our universe is not the same one in which the cosmere takes place.

3) For simplicity's sake on Brandon's part, I think he will keep the series of the cosmere contained to the local star cluster, and not bring other galaxies into it. Adonalisum is believed in because he is still in the historic memory of several planets. Other references to the God Beyond are probably going to remain a mystery in the cosmere along with anything in the Beyond, or the cosmere's version of the true afterlife. 

4) If the theory I am linking to below is correct, Adonalsium came to life through the natural manifestations in the cosmere, and went on to create some planets. It is possible Adonalsium really was a god and created the whole universe, but we really don't know.

5) Yes. There are other sentient races in the cosmere we have yet to see, but we've seen kandra and equines and sentient plantlife so anything's possible.

6) Some good theories that I like a lot about Adonalsium's supposed godhood in this thread:

 

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On 3/11/2018 at 4:04 AM, Arash.F said:

1-Is the Cosmere that dwarf galaxy (with 10 primary planets and stuff) or the universe (its main story happen in A dwarf galaxy?

Here's the WOB Khyrindor's talking about:

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Questioner [PENDING REVIEW]

Is there a center to the cosmere?

Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW]

There isn't a center in the cosmere.

*inaudible*

I keep calling it a dwarf galaxy but I think they decided it's a cluster, instead of a dwarf galaxy.

Overlord Jebus [PENDING REVIEW]

Even a dwarf galaxy is still really big.

Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW]

Yeah, still too big. So we had to call it a cluster. Because we only wanted like what, we came up with 50 or 100 stars? So it's a cluster. Or a really dwarf galaxy.

source

 

On 3/11/2018 at 4:04 AM, Arash.F said:

2-Surely there's much difference between the whole universe and one galaxy. There are at least an estimated 200 billion number of galaxies in our own universe. Is this universe (which is or contains Cosmere) the same as ours? Could Adonalsium be the craft of some ultimately advanced

100% different universes - there's no Earth in the Cosmere.  

 

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Questioner

Is Calamity actually a worldhopper?

Brandon Sanderson

Calamity, I didn't write this as a part of the cosmere. The main distinction is I didn't want Earth to be in the cosmere, I want it to be distinct. Once I stick Earth in, the cosmology and things doesn't work. The cosmere is a dwarf cluster, and it's a dwarf galaxy, it's a cluster of stars. It's a specific place, and Earth's not part of it.

source

 

On 3/11/2018 at 4:04 AM, Arash.F said:

3-Is Adonalsium related to other galaxies somehow? Does the God who is believed and is not one of the Shards have anything to do with them? Is the God other than Adonalsium have infinite powers too?

I don't believe Brandon's given us much information about the supposed other deities (God Beyond, etc.).  Here's what we've got: https://wob.coppermind.net/adv_search/?tags=god+beyond

 

On 3/11/2018 at 4:04 AM, Arash.F said:

4-Did Adonalsium create all galaxies and the whole universe or just the first humans and some planets at least? If there are two creators with infinite power, it might be that none of them created all galaxies, cause I doubt a same universe can have two omnipotent creators.

AFAIK, Adonalsium created pretty much everything, with Scadrial being the main exception.  Preservation and Ruin jointly created it from scratch.  

 

On 3/11/2018 at 4:04 AM, Arash.F said:

5-If Adonalsium created human beings, do other races (non-humanoid, non-anthropomorphic ones) exist in the Cosmere?

(Assuming you mean sentient races ;)) There are numerous other races: spren, Ryshadium, Dragons, Sho Del (whatever those are).  

 

On 3/11/2018 at 4:04 AM, Arash.F said:

6-Is Adonalsium really a God (like there's one omnipotent God in Christianity, Islam and Judaism) who created humankind or it's a representation of some ultimately evolved species and intelligence?

Brandon has talked about (although I can't find the quote) that this is something he prefers to leave ambiguous and up to the readers.  

 

Edited by Scion of the Mists
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On 3/12/2018 at 7:07 AM, Khyrindor said:

2) Our universe is not the same one in which the cosmere takes place.

 

 

On 3/12/2018 at 4:27 PM, Scion of the Mists said:

 

100% different universes - there's no Earth in the Cosmere. 

 

 

Sorry if I didn't state clear. Yes I knew that fact. I was just comparing it to our universe to emphasize differences between a dwarf galaxy and a whole Universe just to make my point.

And yes there are many races! My mistake! I was just thinking about Humanoid one when I asked it! :ph34r:

@Scion of the Mists Thanks for the WOB about cosmology and stuff. I really shouldn't have compared properties of our Universe with that of Cosmere. But I really had no idea about the place of Cosmere in the Cosmere's universe.

@Khyrindor Oh! That's exactly what I was looking for! Thank you very much!!

 

So it seems that some facts about our Cosmos doesn't apply to the Cosmere. I thought I'd read all WOBs, but definitely I was wrong.

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3 hours ago, Arash.F said:

I thought I'd read all WOBs, but definitely I was wrong.

There's always another WOB...

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9 hours ago, Scion of the Mists said:

There's always another WOB...

That was the best answer possible!!!! :lol::lol: 

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