mycoltbug Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 Chapter 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrienne Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 Interesting to see that Marsh has his own religion as Sliverism. I find it odd that Sazed, a Terrisman, is a god and has a mainstream religion but it appears that Terrismen are still in the role that TLR forced them into as servants. I'm trying to wrap my brain around what an Originator could be. I am assuming the term is just for the original Feruchemists but could it encompass Allomancers? I'm also going to assume that Marasi is an Allomancer. We at least know her relatives that have been kidnapped are. I wonder if they are coming for her at this wedding reception. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squallor Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 My guess is that Marasi is going to get kidnapped in the next chapter or two, though she did just become a much more interesting character in my eyes. As for the originators, I think that might reference anyone that survived the pseudo-apocalypse at the end of HoA. There would only be a few thousand people scattered about, and they had to rebuild the entire population of the world, so I wouldnt be surprised if thats how they are all related. Though, to be fair, it could just refer to the metal-born. Also would Spook be the Lord Mistborn? I can't think of anyone else that could fit the bill. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycoltbug Posted July 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 Ok so first of all we have Josh and Mi'ch's weeding. How awesome is that! Then he refers to a religion called Sliverism. Is that a direct reference to our thoughts on Splinters and shards? I think so. What a huge cliff hanger though for an fight to come about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad_Scientist Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 (edited) Is there something odd about me because I love Steris as a character? She's nuts, but I find her very entertaining to read about. A part of me is kind of hoping that somehow, Wax's marriage to her does go through. I find it odd that Sazed, a Terrisman, is a god and has a mainstream religion but it appears that Terrismen are still in the role that TLR forced them into as servants. I'm trying to wrap my brain around what an Originator could be. I am assuming the term is just for the original Feruchemists but could it encompass Allomancers? Where was that indicated? I know Wayne pretended to be a terrismen waiter, but I didn't get indication that all terrismen were relagated to roles like that. As for the originators, I think that might reference anyone that survived the pseudo-apocalypse at the end of HoA. There would only be a few thousand people scattered about, and they had to rebuild the entire population of the world, so I wouldnt be surprised if thats how they are all related. Though, to be fair, it could just refer to the metal-born. Also would Spook be the Lord Mistborn? I can't think of anyone else that could fit the bill. I agree. Wax says “It’s only been three hundred years since the Originators, Wayne. We’re all relatives.” This definitely implies that it's a reference to the surviviors of the apocalypse. And Spook must definitely be the Lord Mistborn. There are references to his "reign" in the HoA annotations, and he's the only known Mistborn from the books who survived to potentially have children. It would be very weird for "Lord Mistborn" to refer to a character we'd never even heard of before. EDIT: Almost forgot, but could this be a Hoid appearance? "The bride and groom arrived, and people rose to clap. Lord Joshin and Lady Mi’chelle; Waxillium didn’t know them, though he did wonder why they were speaking with a scruffy man who looked like a beggar, dressed all in black. Fortunately, it didn’t seem Steris intended to drag him over to wait with those intent upon congratulating the newlyweds at the earliest possible moment." Edited July 27, 2011 by Mad_Scientist 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycoltbug Posted July 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 "The bride and groom arrived, and people rose to clap. Lord Joshin and Lady Mi’chelle; Waxillium didn’t know them, though he did wonder why they were speaking with a scruffy man who looked like a beggar, dressed all in black. Fortunately, it didn’t seem Steris intended to drag him over to wait with those intent upon congratulating the newlyweds at the earliest possible moment." I thought the same thing though it seems to obvious, but Josh and Mi'ch would make perfect sense to be around Hoid, being the admins of the site. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squallor Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 EDIT: Almost forgot, but could this be a Hoid appearance? "The bride and groom arrived, and people rose to clap. Lord Joshin and Lady Mi’chelle; Waxillium didn’t know them, though he did wonder why they were speaking with a scruffy man who looked like a beggar, dressed all in black. Fortunately, it didn’t seem Steris intended to drag him over to wait with those intent upon congratulating the newlyweds at the earliest possible moment." Good catch, I would say if there is no further reference to this in the rest of the book, it very well might be. The only thing that makes me hesitant to think it is Hoid is that we tend to see him in more low-key settings. A beggar at a ball seems like something that would stick out quite noticeably. I wouldn't be surprised if that guy was affiliated with the Vanishers in some way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrienne Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 (edited) Where was that indicated? I know Wayne pretended to be a terrismen waiter, but I didn't get indication that all terrismen were relagated to roles like that. The only time we have seen Terrismen is cross bred into Wax and Wayne. When Wayne wanted to disguise himself as a servant he went in Terrisman mode. I'm tossing an assumption out there though. I don't know the names of the site admins - nice to know the back story on those names. Originators must be the survivors. That's what I get for reading during work! Edited July 27, 2011 by Adrienne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad_Scientist Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 Good catch, I would say if there is no further reference to this in the rest of the book, it very well might be. The only thing that makes me hesitant to think it is Hoid is that we tend to see him in more low-key settings. A beggar at a ball seems like something that would stick out quite noticeably. I wouldn't be surprised if that guy was affiliated with the Vanishers in some way. We see him in some low key situations, but the King's Wit from WoK is certianly not low key. Also, he was apparantly a rather notable storyteller in Warbreaker. The only time we have seen Terrismen is cross bred into Wax and Wayne. When Wayne wanted to disguise himself as a servant he went in Terrisman mode. I'm tossing an assumption out there though. I assumed he just wanted to switch to a different accent/nationality in order to make it harder to be recognized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squallor Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 We see him in some low key situations, but the King's Wit from WoK is certianly not low key. Also, he was apparantly a rather notable storyteller in Warbreaker. I guess I should rephrase my statement. It's not so much low-key situations, he just fits in better in those situations, and dresses to the role he is playing. A beggar at a ball would be a great way to to stand out. Every public appearance of him so far, either in Warbreaker or WoK, no one would find it odd that he was there, kolo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad_Scientist Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 I guess I should rephrase my statement. It's not so much low-key situations, he just fits in better in those situations, and dresses to the role he is playing. A beggar at a ball would be a great way to to stand out. Every public appearance of him so far, either in Warbreaker or WoK, no one would find it odd that he was there, kolo? Ah that makes sense. On the other hand, why would a minion of the Vanishers look a begger either? Hmm. It's not as if the guy is dressed like a begger, he's just scruffy like one. So why is [Lord Shewrman] here?”“For the insult factor, Waxillium. Those who were snubbed will be even more aghast to learn that Shewrman was here. By including a few bad alloys like him—men and women who are utterly undesirable, but who don’t realize it—House Yomen is essentially saying, ‘We’d even prefer spending time with these people to spending it with you.’ Very effective. Very nasty.” Assuming Hoid is the scruffy fellow, perhaps he is one of those "undesirables" due to his unkempt appearance and probably odd behavior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOM1else Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 I have decided to refrain from reading any of the sample chapters and that I will only start reading the book when it is released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrienne Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 Or you could read this the week before the book is released and get a head start! I'm going to hopefully not rush through this before finishing Eragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silus - Shard of Flame Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 Mad Scientist, you beat me to it! I was going to point that out as a possible Hoid sighting. It's just so perfect, the characters based on obsessive fans (don't you even deny it) talking to the original connecting thread. Who else thinks it's possible that they could have something to do with the Seventeenth Shard on Scadrial? I'm pretty sure that Sliverism is the remnants of the Steel Ministry, though it's obviously gone through a few changes, which is to be expected. And this chapter was hilarious. Balls, indeed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 I kind of want Wax to marry Marasi, but only if she can get over her fangirlishness. Also, someone pointed this out in the comments on the chapter: Wax and Wayne. Teehee. Lastly, Steris' name is similar enough to Sterrance that I can't help but see the latter when I think of the former. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link Von Kelsier Harvey Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 I kind of want Wax to marry Marasi, but only if she can get over her fangirlishness. Also, someone pointed this out in the comments on the chapter: Wax and Wayne. Teehee. Lastly, Steris' name is similar enough to Sterrance that I can't help but see the latter when I think of the former. Ryan wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prehistoricman Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 I'm pretty sure that Sliverism is the remnants of the Steel Ministry, though it's obviously gone through a few changes, which is to be expected. Well considering that it's House Yomen, I'd say that's a pretty good guess. Yomen clung to his belief in the Lord Ruler's divinity even after Vin killed him. Also, Brandon needs to apologize for that cliffhanger ending. I really hate cliffhangers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silus - Shard of Flame Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 It's the end of a chapter! You can't complain about a cliffhanger chapter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inkthinker Posted July 30, 2011 Report Share Posted July 30, 2011 Also, someone pointed this out in the comments on the chapter: Wax and Wayne. Teehee. I can't believe how long it took folks to catch that. I found it a bit of a groaner at first, but it grew on me. It makes their names go well together, like Batman & Robin, or Sherlock & Watson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silus - Shard of Flame Posted July 30, 2011 Report Share Posted July 30, 2011 Oh my gosh, I can't believe I missed that. *facepalm* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheese Ninja Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 Is there something odd about me because I love Steris as a character? She's nuts, but I find her very entertaining to read about. A part of me is kind of hoping that somehow, Wax's marriage to her does go through. I like Steris too. It looks to me like her and Marasi are both potential kidnapping targets. “You are what you choose to be, Waxillium,” she said. “As for these people here, and choices made by House Yomen, I did not make these rules. Nor do I approve of them; many are inconvenient. But it is the society in which we live. Therefore, I make of myself something that can survive in this environment.” She's just so hardworking when it comes to her responsibilities, and so far they don't seem to have given her any joy. I would feel bad for her if she goes the whole book without getting to have any fun. Plus, I don't think Brandon has pulled a romantic interest switcheroo on us yet in any of his books. Let Marasi end up with Wayne, he seems like he could deal with her fangirling better than Wax. I didn't notice the Wax and Wayne thing either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordofsoup Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 (edited) Really like Sliverism as a religion. good ol' Marsh. just read the rest of the topic. I thought that it had to do with worshiping Marsh, who was an inquisitor (IRONEYES). No one would worship the steel inquisitors, but Marsh is another story. Edited August 1, 2011 by lordofsoup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asha'man Logain Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 Really like Sliverism as a religion. good ol' Marsh. just read the rest of the topic. I thought that it had to do with worshiping Marsh, who was an inquisitor (IRONEYES). No one would worship the steel inquisitors, but Marsh is another story. Didn't they also say in one of the earlier books that people used to call him 'Ironeyes' because of the color, but grew uncomfortable with it because it could also mean Inquisitors? (foreshadowing I thought) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squallor Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 Didn't they also say in one of the earlier books that people used to call him 'Ironeyes' because of the color, but grew uncomfortable with it because it could also mean Inquisitors? (foreshadowing I thought) It was a general nickname he used to have among the old crew. However, I was under the impression it was just because of he just had a generally intense/intimidating stare, the sort that unnerves people when he looks at you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprouts Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 Oh my gosh, I can't believe I missed that. *facepalm* Lol, I missed it too... I'm ashamed of myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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