Popular Post PeterAhlstrom Posted March 5, 2014 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 That was the glimpse of radiance where Carl was trolling me. 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Radagu Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 I think Nightblood will be good for Szeth. Nightblood has always reminded me of a puppy. A terrifying, arguably evil, merciless, all destroying doom-puppy who leaves trails of death and destruction in his wake, but a puppy nonetheless. Considering Szeth's depression and nihilism, I think a puppy may be just what the doctor ordered. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmingly Posted March 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 I think Nightblood will be good for Szeth. Nightblood has always reminded me of a puppy. A terrifying, arguably evil, merciless, all destroying doom-puppy who leaves trails of death and destruction in his wake, but a puppy nonetheless. Considering Szeth's depression and nihilism, I think a puppy may be just what the doctor ordered.Good Nightblood! Who's a terrifying consumer of souls? You are! Yes you are! 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Aletus Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 (edited) Nightblood sort of is a shardblade though..Not quite the same thing, but a close comparison. Sort of interesting, the number of Warbreaker tosses in WoR. Will be very interested to see how the breath/stormlight thing pans out. My baseless speculation - however - is that Nalan likely has actual Breath. I wanted to immediately jump to the conclusion that he holds the shard from warbreaker now, but that seems like it has more holes in it than swiss cheese. You know how thoughts fire off in situations like that...anyways...he is extremely cosmere aware, as long as we continue to believe he wasn't simply given the sword, to give to Szeth. As far as the orders of magnitude, I think that power comes from Nightbloods personality more than powers, although iirc they are in and of themselves far different and in some ways similar to shardblades Edited March 5, 2014 by Blackwood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Hoodie Mistborn Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 That was the only time in the whole book I yelled. My other favourite bit was Hoid obliquely referencing that Cultivation wasn't really his type. I did when Hoid mentions perfect pitch!! So at least 2nd heightening... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Aletus Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 Yeah that part made me double-take. Also, everyone, i accept and admit openly that i was wrong about Szeths blade. I promise, we can all be on the same page about his new one :3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aminar Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 That was the glimpse of radiance where Carl was trolling me. You should have cleared it for March 4th. Would have been epic and confusing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aminar Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 Nightblood sort of is a shardblade though..Not quite the same thing, but a close comparison. Sort of interesting, the number of Warbreaker tosses in WoR. Will be very interested to see how the breath/stormlight thing pans out. My baseless speculation - however - is that Nalan likely has actual Breath. I wanted to immediately jump to the conclusion that he holds the shard from warbreaker now, but that seems like it has more holes in it than swiss cheese. You know how thoughts fire off in situations like that...anyways...he is extremely cosmere aware, as long as we continue to believe he wasn't simply given the sword, to give to Szeth. As far as the orders of magnitude, I think that power comes from Nightbloods personality more than powers, although iirc they are in and of themselves far different and in some ways similar to shardblades Given the fact Vasher is also on Roshar, I'd guess he doesn't have Breath. Vasher was never very careful with Nightblood. He finally let someone with enough will to control the sword steal it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarion Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 I will call it now. The Honorblade vs Nightblood battle is how the world will end. Kaladin: Oh no! Syl broke again! *Takes Honorblade* Kaladin: Imma lash you to the moon! Now go to Dam... Wait, does it look like the moon is getting bigger? Why is it falling d... Boooooooom. Anyways, have anyone ever thought to use Surgebinding in more violent ways? Lash different parts of a person's body to a different direction and... KALADIN WINS! FATALITY! I suspect that Lashing in that way works Cognitively - Affecting the whole person. Otherwise, if nothing else, Kaladin could be enhancing his strikes by lashing his hands in a direction temporarily, to boost their power. If Szeth didn't think to do that, I'm guessing it can't be done - He had a very good grasp of his powers, as inefficient as they might be relative to the Radiants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1empyrean Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 I only realised vasher was in WOR ,when Nightblood spoke. Now that would have a terific glimpse of radiance Also I don't think Nightblood will be able to break Shardblades Nightblood may be more powerfull than a shardblade , but Szeth isn't going to fight only normal Shardbearers. Nightblood was created with thousand Breaths ,but probably has less investure than a honourblade. The windrunner honour blade didn't pierce through any other shardblades. Ill be honest, I didn't catch it at first (the now obvious way he is physically described and his first odd idiom) but by the time Yahel mentioned there being 2 people who lived in his room and the voice he hadn't heard in years I was pretty sure. additional clues: purelake reminds him of home and has adolin training to throw his sword (this is might or might not be intentional, but I am inclined to think it is in hind sight). GAH...now I have to get my friends to read warbreaker...they will just miss this reference... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aminar Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 (edited) Ill be honest, I didn't catch it at first (the now obvious way he is physically described and his first odd idiom) but by the time Yahel mentioned there being 2 people who lived in his room and the voice he hadn't heard in years I was pretty sure. additional clues: purelake reminds him of home and has adolin training to throw his sword (this is might or might not be intentional, but I am inclined to think it is in hind sight). GAH...now I have to get my friends to read warbreaker...they will just miss this reference... Yep. i notified my friends immediately that without Warbreaker Words of Radiance is not quite as awesome. And convinced my Girlfriend to read it because it's Sanderson's Disney princess Book.(Not a bad thing) Edited March 5, 2014 by Aminar 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Aletus Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 (edited) My only beef (and it's a small cow, I assure you) is that in Warbreaker, Vasher wasn't exactly the best swordsman around. We know he had to win duels with superiors by that bit of breath trickery, and everyone that was opposed to him kept mentioning his apparently lackluster skill. It doesn't mesh with this grizzled wise blademaster we see in WoR. Albeit - the simple explanation could go one of two ways: his enemies in warbreaker were simply underestimating him, but eh. I'm not sure, because his breath trick was really the only way to win IMO, for him at least. The easiest approximation is simply time. Everyone bashed it in Wheel of time, with Demandred's skill - finding it unbelievable (to my amazement) that he was so good. Given that there was probably a long long time between Warbreaker and SA, Vasher could have easily learned every trick in the book, and wrote it himself. Still feel bad for him not having his malignant sharp pointy friend around though. Hope he doesn't end up on the wrong end of it. Edited March 5, 2014 by Blackwood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarion Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 I might be misremembering, but I thought Vasher was just fine with a blade, just not as good as Arsteel or Denth, who were considered some of the best swordsmen in the world. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Aletus Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 That's what I was driving at, not saying he wasn't very very good - just that he didn't give off an aura of blademaster to me, at the time. But time keeps a moving and he's had a lot of time to get better, especially now that the two people that could best him, to our knowledge, met their ends to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moogle Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 Warbreaker spoilers: Vasher was never very good at swordfighting against Returned (Denth and Arsteel). As a Returned, Vasher is stronger and faster than normal men. I believe that compared to a regular Alethi swordsman, he'd win every time purely due to that. Him making Swordsmaster seems as reasonable as anything else. What else was he going to do? Join the ardentia? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HydrogenAlpha Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 Short question: Doesn't Sunmaker really sound like the name of a Returned ? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmingly Posted March 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 Short question: Doesn't Sunmaker really sound like the name of a Returned ? Yes. Yes, it does. That's something to think about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aminar Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 Oooooh. I bet Returned and Heralds operate on a similar wavelength... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HydrogenAlpha Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 Oooooh. I bet Returned and Heralds operate on a similar wavelength... I see what you did there ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Hoodie Mistborn Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 Yes. Yes, it does. That's something to think about. Definitely. I have long assumed that like much in the Vorin world that "Sunmaker" was the romanticised/rose colored glasses of history title for the last king to unite Alethkar into a "golden age"... but it does sound very like a Returned name. Could still be coincidence though. In Warbreaker the Returned are named by their priests, so it could just be a "human tendency" kind of thing to elevate and romanticize beings of power/importance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagylpus Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 (edited) Huh. And here I was for the whole book thinking that Zahel was one of the Heralds, probably Ishar. But it totally makes sense for him to be Vasher, with all the colour references. And - oh! Zahel was away at a trip to the Purelake. Where we saw him in WoK. Was the character in the Purelake interlude ever confirmed to be Vasher before? Edited March 5, 2014 by Gagylpus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Aletus Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 Two of them were confirmed to be Demoux and Galladon, I cant remember if we had a name for numero three tho. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aminar Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 I don't think Vasher was in the purelake interlude... He's not so dark skinned as to be Makabaki, and the Alethi looking one is Demoux from Mistborn... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natans Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 It is nightblood ? Sure looks like but Vasher are immortal and wouldn't part with the sword soo, no Warbreak II with Vasher? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 It is nightblood ? Sure looks like but Vasher are immortal and wouldn't part with the sword soo, no Warbreak II with Vasher? Vasher wouldn't *willingly* part with Nightblood. But he might have parted with it *unwillingly*. Nightblood might also explain why Vasher's been hanging around for at least a dozen years (and likely longer); i.e. he's looking for his naive, cheerful, and oh so extraordinarily dangerous sword. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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