[OB] Breaking a Nahel Bond

[EighttrackListener Bridgeman]

When Kaladin and Notum are talking about the Nahel bond to Syl, Notum suggests that he could kill Kaladin to save Syl from the bond "Though this would be painful for her, there are other ways, at least tell the final Ideal is sworn" (Chapter 108, audio time stamp ~45:01:45 I wouldn't mind getting the actual text for the quote.) Kal seems to gloss over the "other ways" and focus on the one way where he is dead.

Do we know what the "other ways" are Notum may be referring to?

Possibility 1 a spren swap. Something similar to the scene with Pattern telling Shallan that the cryptics would send her an other spren because Pattern believes Shallan hates him.

I do not think this what Notum was suggesting because of how appalled he is that Kaladin is bonded to Syl.

Possibility 2, suggested by Kered on the coppermind Discord, "a 'purging' of Syl's memory. Maybe something the Stormfather could do.

Possibility 3, sugeested by R'Shara on the coppermind Discord,"convincing Syl to break the bond"

Possibility 4, Trapping Syl in a perfect gemstone.

I do not see that any of these fill the "tell the final Ideal is sworn" aspect of what Notum was talking about. This might also steer us to an idea about what the power up from saying the 5th ideal is, if we do not already know. If I remember correctly:

1st ideal, access to stormlight, minor surgebinding abilities squire level stuff etc

2nd Ideal, improved surgebinding abilities, bonding of a spren.

3rd Ideal, Shardblde

4th ideal, Shadeplate?

5th Ideal, ???

I would love any info any of you might have on the subject this has been on my mind for a few days now.

[MistbornEdgedancer Darkeyes]

Well, the best I can think is: remember in (I think it was) Words of Radiance... Kaladin was thinking about helping Moash with Elhokar's assassination (that's a rough recollection - I don't remember the details) and Syl pretty much seemed to be reverting to losing her intelligence? Now if you combine that with what the Skybreakers told Szeth were the Fifth Ideal is becoming what your Order represents, I think that means it becomes impossible to break your bond by not following through with your Oaths once you're this far in?

[kenod Truthless]

7 minutes ago, MistbornEdgedancer said:

Well, the best I can think is: remember in (I think it was) Words of Radiance... Kaladin was thinking about helping Moash with Elhokar's assassination (that's a rough recollection - I don't remember the details) and Syl pretty much seemed to be reverting to losing her intelligence? Now if you combine that with what the Skybreakers told Szeth were the Fifth Ideal is becoming what your Order represents, I think that means it becomes impossible to break your bond by not following through with your Oaths once you're this far in?

Given what happens to a Spren when you break the bond in this way (kill it), Notun probably didn't mean this method, as he was talking about a way to get Syl away from Kaladin without making her suffer the pain of Kaladin being killed.