WoR Chapter 84 code

[PeterAhlstrom]

I assume Brandon is hoping this one lasts a while.

[Pattern]

I am really curious, how this could will look like in translated books...

 

But hopefully, we'll have solved this until then.

[Everstorm]

I assume Brandon is hoping this one lasts a while.

Peter, can you confirm that we have all the information required to crack this code? That it is actually solvable?

[Swimmingly]

Peter, can you confirm that we have all the information required to crack this code? That it is actually solvable?

[peter]

RAFO

Oh wait you already did. Sucks for you.

[/peter]

[PeterAhlstrom]

I am really curious, how this could will look like in translated books...

 

But hopefully, we'll have solved this until then.

I'm giving encryption instructions to the translators. We'll see if they actually do it.

 

The code is solvable and you all have the information required.

[Harakeke]

I'm giving encryption instructions to the translators. We'll see if they actually do it.

 

The code is solvable and you all have the information required.

 

I now have a new cipher-cracking scheme!

1. Learn obscure foreign language

2. Open publishing house and acquire rights to translate WoR

3. ???

4. Profit

[FollowYourMuse]

I assume Brandon is hoping this one lasts a while.

 

 

I am assuming this in in part harakeke's fault for cracking the Alethi script so fast.  

[Satsuoni]

I am assuming this in in part harakeke's fault for cracking the Alethi script so fast.  

I am assuming that is because he used transposition and substitution, and wrote pieces of code in binary instead of decimal, and now laughs! Laughs as he consumes our sorrow and frustration, I am telling you!

Also, I assume think the splinters of my decaying mind are cracking.

 

But nevermind that.

The code "as it is" is attached with all necessary files. Out of fear respect I have removed the actual text of tWoK/WoR that was used to build up tables.

What the script does is systematically split the code into prefix codes (still prefix, I am afraid. I may change this in the evening), assigns letters to the codes and tries to solve substitution. If the first several decoded symbols form words as found in text, it outputs the dcoded string and writes down details in file.

To run it, just run "python codecheck.py", it takes no arguments.

code.zip

[Yalb]

Guys this is just Mr.T's locker combination. I give up wondering about it. We need the real Pattern from the book. He could do it like the way he figured out the ciper in Tyns text. But I feel the answer is somwhere in the book. I dont think its going to be on google or anything we use "In real life". Im also sure Brandon thought this one up to haunt the 17th shard.

[Elbereth]

Of course he did. It's not like some random person out there is just going to solve it independently. (It would be really funny if that happened, though).

[Travis1984]

So...thinking of things that jumped out at me...is this code related to page 111?

Also...were the capital letters from the Stormfather always in BOLD in WoK?  Not sure if they are related...just trying to give some out of the box ideas for those smarter then me looking for some inspiration.

[dsplaisted]

I'm giving encryption instructions to the translators. We'll see if they actually do it.

 

The code is solvable and you all have the information required.

 

Having the same message in multiple languages encrypted with the same method should make it easier to crack the code.

 

When does the first foreign language translation of Words of Radiance come out?

[Pattern]

The code "as it is" is attached with all necessary files. Out of fear respect I have removed the actual text of tWoK/WoR that was used to build up tables.

What the script does is systematically split the code into prefix codes (still prefix, I am afraid. I may change this in the evening), assigns letters to the codes and tries to solve substitution. If the first several decoded symbols form words as found in text, it outputs the dcoded string and writes down details in file.

To run it, just run "python codecheck.py", it takes no arguments.

 

Thank you, I'll give it some tries.

 

@Travis1984: I think the Stormfather is only written in bold letters, when he is angry, which is quite often the case.

 

@Yalb: Let's look, how pattern did it in the book...will be back later.

 

And another idea obtained in sleep: The code is from the 2nd ceiling rotation. Where did they begin transscribing it?

What happens, if one writes the numbers in a circle?

Edited March 6, 2014 by Pattern

[FeatherWriter]

Well... my first half of Way of Kings in French came out... today. (Though it hasn't arrived yet.) I don't know if the second half has a release date yet even. So, for Words of Radiance... could be a while.

[Pattern]

Well... my first half of Way of Kings in French came out... today. (Though it hasn't arrived yet.) I don't know if the second half has a release date yet even. So, for Words of Radiance... could be a while.

In German they exist since 2011. So perhaps the first translations will be out quite soon. But: we got the information, that we have everything to crack the code. So there is no hunt for pieces of code on book signings - which would be difficult to attend to for Europeans. Let's crack it!

[Satsuoni]

Well... my first half of Way of Kings in French came out... today. (Though it hasn't arrived yet.) I don't know if the second half has a release date yet even. So, for Words of Radiance... could be a while.

Why do you have them in French? Are you one of those "french girls" I hear rumors about?

Anyway, you are a Writer, so, any insights?

 

@Pattern:

Yes, but is the code self-contained, or do we need to hunt through WoR? And some pieces definitely look binary to me (grumble grumble mental exhaustion)

[FeatherWriter]

Why do you have them in French? Are you one of those "french girls" I hear rumors about?

Anyway, you are a Writer, so, any insights?

Avez-vous un probleme avec ceux qui parlent français? Yes, I speak French... passably. I have all three Mistborn books in French, Fils-des-Brumes. And I am EXTREMELY excited for La Voie Des Rois to come in because A.) the cover is gorgeous, and B.) I can read Renarin in French, thank.

 

As for the code, y'all are on your own with that one. Deeeeefinitely not a numbers person at all. I will keep checking this topic to see if y'all get it though!

[Satsuoni]

Avez-vous un probleme avec ceux qui parlent français? Yes, I speak French... passably. I have all three Mistborn books in French, Fils-des-Brumes. And I am EXTREMELY excited for La Voie Des Rois to come in because A.) the cover is gorgeous, and B.) I can read Renarin in French, thank.

 

As for the code, y'all are on your own with that one. Deeeeefinitely not a numbers person at all. I will keep checking this topic to see if y'all get it though!

If that means what I guess it might mean, then no not really. I didn't buy them in Japanese just because I could possibly read them, though

Also, Brandon is probably not a number person either, so he either had help, or he ...

[FeatherWriter]

Hehehe, I also have the Japanese books, though I don't read Japanese. Those covers tho. Like dang. Gooooorgeous. Okay sorry I'll let you all get back to work and stop distracting you!

[Pattern]

I think we should try both: looking in WoR for hints - though I have absolutely no idea what to look for,

and additionally trying to crack the code as self contained.

Still it could be a mapping code. The greatest problem is, that we have just a string of numbers.

Reading it first I was reminded of a pavillion in China which I visited years ago: There was Pi (3.1415....) written under the roof

in many circles beginning in the center of the ceiling and spiralling outward.

Since it is confirmed to be a code, this can be dropped ;-)

 

Though...the string of numbers is called "Pattern 15" - well a string is no pattern, at least not a nice one...

 

Tyn's correspondence:

Shallan frowned, inspecting the sheets. In each one, the first words came from the remote writer. [...]Tyn replied simply each time.

 

"They form groups of five," Pattern said."Quintets, the letters. Mmm. Each message follows a pattern- first three words start with one each of three of the quintet of letters. Tyns reply, the two that match."

 

Sender: "I think some information I have today will work"

Shallan: "But you said that last time"

 

This gives us one quintet: ITSBY

 

Unfortunately the other correspondences via spanreed are not complete, so there is no more information to be dug out.

So that's probably a dead end. I try to apply that to the other epigraphs - without knowing how it can help to crack the code...

 

They will come you cannot...                                                                             TWCYC
One danger in deploying such...                                                                       ODIDS
Ah but they were left                                                                                         ABTWL
Q:For what essential must we strive? A: The essential of Preservation            FWEMW or    FWETE
Q:What cost must we bear? A: The cost is irrelevant                                                       and WCMTC
You must become king. Of everything                                                              YMBKO
The Unmade are a deviation, ...                                                                       TUAAD
There is one you will watch....                                                                           TIOYW
Obviously they are fools. The Desolation...                                                       OTAFT

[ "code" ]

But who is the wanderer...                                                                                 BWITW
One is most certainly a...                                                                                  OIMCA
Chaos in Alethkar is, of...                                                                                  CIAIO

[Dates]

There has to be an...                                                                                       THTBA

 

Well, I think this doesn't bring us anywhere. But also failure is a progress. You know what it is NOT...

Edited March 6, 2014 by Pattern

[Satsuoni]

I *am* at work   Literally. And I think it was your post, Feather, that inspired me to go to a nearest bookstore and take pictures of the Mistborn covers to upload to the gallery. Shiny...

[Fabrial]

How badly do we want to know? Should we ask on reddit.com/r/crypto or would that spoil the fun?

 

EDIT: That probably wouldn't help actually. I'd be willing to bet money that the solution requires knowledge of the book or to find a clue in it.

Edited March 6, 2014 by Fabrial

[Satsuoni]

How badly do we want to know? Should we ask on reddit.com/r/crypto or would that spoil the fun?

If you think they'd answer, then sure, ask them Better than the frustration reducing me to a state when I start rhythmically hitting my head on the wall to calm down ( it has happened before )

[Fabrial]

Ok I'll draft a post to ask them. I don't think we'll get a solution from them but they might be able to give us a list of clues, tools to try, be able to tell us something at least.

[Emmy]

Hey, my first post on the forums!

Alright, so I've been staring at this dumb string of numbers for a couple hours now and I've noticed a couple things. And counted a couple things. I don't know how to run any fancy scripts, so there are probably some mistakes in my counting here, but moving on.

The first thing I thought to try was write down every pair of numbers that appears in the code (there are something like 40 unique pairs of numbers) and then count how often those numbers appeared. The results are as follows:

19x 11*
15x 12
12x 10
09x 01, 51
08x 15, 111 (Yeah, it ain't two numbers, whatever, it's suspicious.)
07x 21, 41
06x 34
05x 14, 25, 71, 91
03x 49, 11*
02x 17, 27, 54, 55, 61
01x 02, 06, 07, 09, 13, 16, 18, 22, 24, 29, 42, 43, 44, 48, 53, 57, 75, 82, 83, 93

11 has those asterisks because, on its own and not overlapping the very suspect string of 111, it only appears 3 times.
What's also interesting is that, aside from 11, the number that shows up the most is 12, and the second is 10. (Although, excluding overlapping with 111, 10 appears eleven times and 12 appears ten times.)
Then I went and highlighted all the number pairs that appeared more than once, simply to see what would happen. (It was worth a shot.) What I found was that six numbers were left: 8, 1, 7, and 483.

11182510111271249151210101114102151171121011121713

44831110715142541434109161491493412122541010125

1271015191011123412551152512157551112341011129151

21061534

 

 

At this point I'd been staring at these numbers for such an absurdly long time, procrastinating homework, that I noticed something else. There are couple longer strings of numbers that appear more than once.

 

10101:

11182510111271249151210101114102151171121011121713

44831110715142541434109161491493412122541010125

1271015191011123412551152512157551112341011129151

21061534

 

 

1271:

11182510111271249151210101114102151171121011121713

44831110715142541434109161491493412122541010125

1271015191011123412551152512157551112341011129151

21061534

 

1112341:

11182510111271249151210101114102151171121011121713

44831110715142541434109161491493412122541010125

1271015191011123412551152512157551112341011129151

21061534

 

 

And lastly, 101112, which appears four times:

11182510111271249151210101114102151171121011121713

44831110715142541434109161491493412122541010125

1271015191011123412551152512157551112341011129151

21061534

 

 

That's pretty odd. It could be a coincidence, but I'm not so sure with 101112.

 

Then I looked for number palindromes! 'Cause, y'know, symmetry's important here and all that. I found 16 sets:

111 101 121 141 151 161 171 212 414 434 525 575 10101 11711 5115 15251
 

That's all I've found so far! What does it mean? I don't know. It'd help if we knew where to separate out the numbers for words, or even just letters. As it is, I don't know where to start with transposing, or flipping the alphabet around or folding it in half, or just trying to guess what letters seem likely and brute forcing the rest. I just keep staring at it, and I know there's a pattern here, somewhere. But it's a mystery, and I gotta hand it to Brandon, it's a pretty good one.

 

(I haven't even read this far in the book, what am I doing?)

Edited March 6, 2014 by Emmy