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WoR Chapter 84 code

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Soo... Chapter 84 has a strange numeric code as epigraph. Let's try to decode it here :)

11182510111271249151210101114102151171121011121713
44831110715142541434109161491493412122541010125
1271015191011123412551152512157551112341011129151
21061534

 
Unless I missed a digit or two, that is it.
 I have been looking on it for a few days, and so far cannot make head or tails from it :(
It is not a straightforward substitution, since there are too many 2-digit combos.
So, the questions to be answered are (for me):
Is it a prefix code? Does it include transposition? Does it have a progressive key, like Vigenere?
Does it translate into English or Alethi (phonetic)? Does it include actual numbers in code?
So.. any ideas? Let's try to discuss it together :)
 
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The quest is done:

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The only thought I had is that maybe it could be Pattern's name, which is weak.

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The only thought I had is that maybe it could be Pattern's name, which is weak.

So, "Brandon trolls us" theory <_<  That is a valid possibility, I guess :P

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11182510111271249151210101114102151171121011121713

44831110715142541434109161491493412122541010125

1271015191011123412551152512157551112341011129151

21061534

 

is the actual code - there were one or two digits wrong. Nonetheless i cannot make any sense in this at the moment.

I have tried to sort it in date format like 1118251011 - and so on, but that gave nothing...

 

Edit: I made a summary, found in post Nr. 302

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It is indeed a code.

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It is indeed a code.

Alethi or English? :ph34r:

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11182510111271249151210101114102151171121011121713

44831110715142541434109161491493412122541010125127

10151910111234125511525121575511123410111291512106

1534

 

154 digits - if you want to build equal blocks - 154=2*7*11 lets look what happens

 

- nothing good

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Ooh, transposition angle. I know next to nothing about it, so I'll concentrate on prefix coding for now :blink:

Edit:

 

11182510

11127124915121010

11141021511711210

111217134883

111071514254143410916149149341212254101012512710151910

1112341255115251215755

11123410

1112915121061534

Those "111" are suspect. Suspect, I say :ph34r:

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yeah, but the long 5th block confuses me...

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Also, 0 is always (that I can see) preceded by 1, they might as well be one symbol...

11182510

111271249151210

     10

111410

      21511711210

111217134883

1110

    71514254143410

    91614914934121225410

    10

    12512710

    151910

1112341255115251215755

11123410

11129151210

     61534

 

?

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Obviouslytheyarefools (21)

TheDesolationneedsnousher(25)

Itcanandwillsitwhereitwishesandthesignsareobviousthatthesprenanticipateitdoingsosoon (84)

TheAncientofStonesmustfinallybegintocrack (41)

Itisawonderthatuponhiswillrestedtheprosperityandpeaceofaworldforoverfourmillennia (83) = 254 letters

 

taking them and the numbers from the code (154 digits) plus the ten given "dates" (another 100 digits) could bring something - i dont know what. Identifying would bring no further information, so that's probably a dead end.

 

dates:

1173090605  1173090801  1173090901  1173091001

1173091004  1173100105  1173100205  1173100401 

1173100603  1173100804

 

perhaps these dates can be used as a key

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I try a statistical approach. I split up the sequence so, that numbers can be identified with a letter - that is numbers between 1 and 26, with

1 represented by 01 once. There I need some help, since English is not my mother tongue - i am not familiar with relative abundance of letters in an English text.

 

 

11 18 25 10 11 12 7 12 4 9 15 12 10 10 11 14 10 21 5 11 7 11 21 01 11 21 7 13

 

4 4 8 3 11 10 7 15 14 25 4 1 4 3 4 10 9 16 14 9 14 9 3 4 12 12 25 4 10 10 12 5 12 7

 

10 15 19 10 11 12 3 4 12 5 5 11 5 25 12 15 7 5 5 11 12 3 4 10 11 12 9 15 12 10 6 15 3 4

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Just for yucks, I tried to use the numbers as Pattern broke them up as indexes into pattern 1, and I got

TealTeaeloaellTolutTaTubTuaelleuTlaaoalblulloioooouleeallletealadlTeulettTtaeaattTeullTeoaeleaul
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I don't have the book yet. Has anyone tried to see if the code could be representing chapters, pages, paragraphs, lines, words, ect from the book?

 

Also I agree the 1111 and 10 are suspect.

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Ok, I've tried substitution quite a while now and got nothing. One problem is the non-unique way I splitted up the sequence

to numbers from 01 to 26. One could also take doublets and take the number modulo 26.

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Remember, this code is part of Taravangian's Plan. That context ahould be kept I think.

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Remember, this code is part of Taravangian's Plan. That context ahould be kept I think.

Yes, I think it has to be from The Diagram. Even assuming that leaves many, many possibilities :)
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It is from the diagram - written on Mr. T's day of brilliance. Which leaves us any possibility.

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10 shows up an awful loty, and is an importan number on Roshar....  What if that's just the number 10 and the rest is code?

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Ok, I am going to explore substitution a little more :( I know it is probably futile. I've cobbled together a small script that splits the string into prefix codes randomly and then tries to solve for substitution using WoK as source for probability distributions. So far only gibberish comes out XD Though due to nature of the check some gibberish actually looks like text , such as "icantiedasomettiltamidetiefusshitdnlanslustorsolouseeans". I am going to sleep, to, will check if it spit out anything in the morning :wacko:

Edit; for now, I assume "10" to be a proper code.

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Well, I have found Compiled epigraphs. Thanks to Tarion. I paste them here, so we have all the stuff together:

 

They will come you cannot stop their oaths look for those who survive when they should not that pattern will be your clue

-          From the Diagram, Coda of the Northwest Bottom Corner: paragraph 3

 

One danger in deploying such a potent weapon will be the potential encouragement of those exploring the Nahel bond.  Care must be taken to avoid placing these subjects in situtions of powerful stress unless you accept consequences of their potential Investiture.

-          From the Diagram, Floorboard 27: paragraph 6

 

AhbuttheywereleftbehindItisobviousfromthenatureofthebondButwherewherewhereSetoffObviousRealizationlikeapricity

TheyarewiththeShinWemustfindoneCanwemaketouseaTruthlessCanwecraftaweapon

-          From the Diagram, Floorboard 17: paragraph 2, every second letter starting with the first

 

Q: For what essential must we strive? A: The essential of preservation, to shelter a seeds of humanity through the coming storm

Q: What cost must we bear?  A: The cost is irrelevant.  Mankind must survive.  Our burden is that of the species, and all other considerations are but dust by comparison.

-          From the Diagram, Catechism of the Back of the Flowered Painting: paragraph 1

 

You must become king.  Of Everything.

-          From the Diagram, Tenets of Instruction, Back of the Footboard: paragraph 1

 

The Unmade are a deviation, a flair, a conundrum that may not be worth your time.  You cannot help but think of them.  They are fascinating.  Many are mindless.  Like the spren of human emotions, only much more nasty.  I do believe a few can think, however.

-          From the Diagram, Book of the 2nd Desk Drawer: paragraph 14

 

There is one you will watch.  Though all of them have some relevance to precognition, Moelach is one of the most powerful in this regard.  His touch seeps into a soul as it breaks apart from the body, creating manifestations powered by the spark of death itself.  But no, this is a distraction.  Deviation.  Kingship.  We must discuss the nature of kingship.

-          From the Diagram, Book of the 2nd Desk Drawer: paragraph 15

 

Obviously they are fools The Desolation needs no usher It can and will sit where it wishes and the signs are obvious that the spren anticipate it doing so soon The Ancient of Stones must finally begin to crack It is a wonder that upon his will rested the prosperity and peace of a world for over four millennia

-          From the Diagram, Book of the 2nd Ceiling Rotation: pattern 1

 

11182510111271249151210101114102151171121011121713

44831110715142541434109161491493412122541010125

1271015191011123412551152512157551112341011129151

21061534

-          From the Diagram, Book of the 2nd Ceiling Rotation: pattern 15

 

But who is the wanderer, the wild piece, the one who makes no sense?  I glimpse at his implications, and the world opens to me.  I shy back.  Impossible.  Is it?

-          From the Diagram, West Wall Psalm of Wonders: paragraph 8

(Notew by Adrotagia: Could this refer to Mraize?)

 

One is most certainly a traitor to the others

-          From the Diagram, Book of the 2nd Desk Drawer: paragraph 27

 

Chaos in Alethkar is, of course, inevitable.  Watch carefully, and do not let power in the kingdom solidify.  The Blackthorn could become an ally or our greatest foe, depending on whether he takes the path of the warlord or not.  If he seems likely to sue for peace, assassinate him expeditiously.  The risk of competition is too great.

-          From the Diagram, Writings upon the Bedstand Lamp: paragraph 4

(Adrotagia’s 3rd translation from the original hieroglyphics)

 

1173090605         1173090801         1173090901         1173091001

1173091004         1173100105         1173100205         1173100401

1173100603         1173100804

-          From the Diagram, North Wall Coda, Windowsill region: paragraph 2

(This appears to be a sequence of dates, but their relevance is as yet unknown)

 

TherehastobeananswerWhatistheanswerStopTheParshendiOneofthemYestheyarethemissingpiecePushfortheAlethito

destroythemoutrightbeforethisoneobtainstheirpowerItwillformabridge

-          From the Diagram, Floorboard 17: Paragraph 2, every second letter starting with the second

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