bdoble97 Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 Could Shallan help Adolin's shardblade spren Maya regain a form on roshar by drawing what she looks like in Shadesmar plus adding eyes obviously and then Maya could somehow transfer her Essence into a a stormlight version of the Shallan's drawing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeldancer Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 Oh come on I saw this thread and was hoping for some sort of Shallan Maya show down for Adolins affections. And then they end up becoming best buddies, and Pattern meets up with Maya. Now my thoughts have gone in a very weird direction. moving on... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdoble97 Posted December 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 J 8 minutes ago, Steeldancer said: Oh come on I saw this thread and was hoping for some sort of Shallan Maya show down for Adolins affections. And then they end up becoming best buddies, and Pattern meets up with Maya. Now my thoughts have gone in a very weird direction. moving on... Hahaha sorry to disappoint you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Necessary Eagle Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 34 minutes ago, Steeldancer said: Now my thoughts have gone in a very weird direction. moving on... There is no way you'll catch me admitting that I thought something along the same lines, ha ha... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdoble97 Posted December 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 4 minutes ago, Necessary Eagle said: There is no way you'll catch me admitting that I thought something along the same lines, ha ha... Hahaha. Whats wrong with you guys hahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aemetha Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 46 minutes ago, bdoble97 said: Hahaha. Whats wrong with you guys hahaha If it helps, I was thinking "Oh no, not ANOTHER Shallan and/or Maya thread." They weren't really all that interesting in the book, Maya didn't have two words to say the entire time they were in Shadesmar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRandAlThor Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) I think that Adolin may be in the process of "renewing" the Eyeless spren. We now know her name, maybe, and that she defended him at one point instead of being almost drone-like. She keeps filling out a bit, character wise. Edited December 12, 2017 by RedRandAlThor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdoble97 Posted December 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 9 minutes ago, aemetha said: If it helps, I was thinking "Oh no, not ANOTHER Shallan and/or Maya thread." They weren't really all that interesting in the book, Maya didn't have two words to say the entire time they were in Shadesmar! Haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalbusker Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 The OP's proposed method strikes me as too simple, but I wouldn't be surprised if somebody with Transformation turned it to be helpful in reviving a dead eyed radiant spren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seloun Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 Probably the most relevant quote for this is the following: Quote “This one [Oathbringer] doesn’t scream as loudly as others. Why?” It remembers your oath, the Stormfather sent. It remembers the day you won it, and better the day you gave it up. It hates you—but less than it hates others. Sanderson, Brandon. Oathbringer: Book Three of the Stormlight Archive (p. 287). Tom Doherty Associates. Kindle Edition. This part is a bit confusing at first since at this point in the book the reader doesn't know what exactly happened when Dalinar first won Oathbringer; the flashback implies that he killed the heir for it. It's only later that the reader learns that Dalinar took the sword, but let the boy live. The 'oath' is likely Dalinar's oath not to usurp Gavilar's throne. While the Stormfather does say immediately afterwards that he knows of no way to restore the blade, this passage seems like a pretty big clue (also, the name - Oathbringer - is probably a big hint). Presumably it'll be necessary for the wielder of the blade to essentially assume the Ideals that were sworn by the original Radiant (which might make restoring e.g. Lightweaver blades extremely difficult). This isn't a particularly new theory, but there's been many theories on this, and this passage suggests that this is likely the mechanism to restore the dead spren. Assuming Adolin's blade is an Edgedancer blade, likely he'll have to assume Ideals similar to what Lift has sworn. If an external force is needed to revive the spren, I think a Bondsmith is probably the most likely candidate (much as how Ishar appears to have codified the bonds in the first place); I'm inclined to guess that it's not necessary, though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggscv Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 I think regrowth will be key to restoring Maya. Remember the scene where Renarin heals Adolin's left hand and Adolin sees a vision or image of himself being whole. Pretty sure something along those lines will happen with Maya. Quote Renarin looked to him, then smiled. A pulse of Radiance washed through Adolin, and for an instant he saw himself perfected. A version of himself that was somehow complete and whole, the man he could be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalbusker Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) I think Regrowth is less likely, because it's based on Progression, and spren don't naturally heal over time like living things do (Pattern in WoR tells Shallan something like "we do not unbreak without intervention"). But the way Shallan has used Illumination and Transformation to subtly alter the people around her could be relevant here. Maybe she needs to draw Adolin as an Edgedancer and Maya as his bonded spren. Or maybe it is Progression and Illumination after all. I'm pretty sure that the impression Adolin had of his best self while Renarin was healing his hand was from Illumination, not just Progression. ETA: Of course there's the possibility that Renarin's Illumination is nonstandard because of Glys, which might play a role in doing something nobody thinks is possible.... Okay now I've talked myself into thinking Renarin is more likely to help Adolin and Maya than Shallan. Or maybe they all have to work together? Edited December 12, 2017 by Ookla the Busker Fridge thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aminar Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 I suspect that Shallan and Renarin will both be instrumental in bringing Maya back. Shallan's drawings have helped people bring themselves back up(related likely to the spiritual "perfect self") and Adolin saw something similar when Renarin healed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdoble97 Posted December 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 3 hours ago, Ookla the Busker said: I think Regrowth is less likely, because it's based on Progression, and spren don't naturally heal over time like living things do (Pattern in WoR tells Shallan something like "we do not unbreak without intervention"). But the way Shallan has used Illumination and Transformation to subtly alter the people around her could be relevant here. Maybe she needs to draw Adolin as an Edgedancer and Maya as his bonded spren. Or maybe it is Progression and Illumination after all. I'm pretty sure that the impression Adolin had of his best self while Renarin was healing his hand was from Illumination, not just Progression. ETA: Of course there's the possibility that Renarin's Illumination is nonstandard because of Glys, which might play a role in doing something nobody thinks is possible.... Okay now I've talked myself into thinking Renarin is more likely to help Adolin and Maya than Shallan. Or maybe they all have to work together? 2 hours ago, Aminar said: I suspect that Shallan and Renarin will both be instrumental in bringing Maya back. Shallan's drawings have helped people bring themselves back up(related likely to the spiritual "perfect self") and Adolin saw something similar when Renarin healed him. Love both of these ideas it could be a really interesting seeing to read about I feel like it would partially have to take place in shadsemare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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