Walin Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 I see that we can only upvote now, and then retract that vote. Good thing! I've seen people take out their disagreement with downvoting, which, much like in reddit, is both an inappropriate and somewhat common response. The voting system is to appreciate how well-thought-out posts are, and occasionally to cheer a great idea. Taking the power to express anger via downvotes, I think, is a pretty good idea, for a number of reasons. 1-People who give factual information in a ship thread to disprove stuff won't get the heck downvoted out of them. I've never been a target of this, but I have seen it happen and it kind of discourages arguing against the crowd. 2-When people get a high number of "you got an upvote" messages, but few upvotes, it makes it seem like their post was polarizing and is getting a lot of hate (and support) for it. Again, this hasn't happened to me, but I know that people have left the Shard because of it. Now when this happens, it's shown that the reason is because many of the upvoters thought a post deserved, say, 5 upvotes, and are removing their upvotes to keep it at the level they want (not downvoting because they hate it). 3-I like lists. I'm putting a reason 3. I also like meta humor, which is why I put the last sentence. I also like to give context for my humor because much of it is cliche, and thus I put a legitimate reason for it, like the last sentence. I also like to follow the Rule Of Three, which is why I put the last sentence. I also like Excessively Long Jokes, which is why I put the last sentence and this one. I forgot why I was going to write this sentence. The preceding sentence was supposed to be different. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowmancer Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 I thought I had through some strange means gotten a restriction put on my account -- I'm glad to see this is actually a system-wide change (not that I've used down-votes more than like three times, I swear ) 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkrunner Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 I think that votes or downvotes are generally trivial, and I do not think that a lot of people 1 hour ago, Walin said: express anger via downvotes, I think it is just a way to show that someone disagrees or agrees. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 Hi! I did remove the ability to downvote earlier today. I have long been a proponent of having downvotes. It's a very good way to censure abrasive people who jerks, after all, and the community can police themselves. Great idea, right? Then the community can see the average opinion on a post. That's all great in theory and it does generally identify abrasive, jerkish behavior very effectively. So I've been a pretty big proponent of downvotes historically. It worked when we were a smaller community. Downvotes were used sparingly. As things progressed, that's changed. Downvotes are given out flippantly, silencing discussion on some topics and people get very hurt. A lot of times it's just people hashing things out in discussion and downvotes--despite being anonymous--still causes discussion to escalate. If it doesn't help discourse be better, what's the point of us having it? Reddit's advantage to downvotes and upvotes is that posts are actually sorted by that amount and stuff people don't like is auto-hidden. It's nice. Topics do not sort by reputation, and instead are chronological. It's different. That means rep as a community average isn't as valuable here as it is there. Reputation is supposed to be fun and useful. Downvotes often are not this. If you are reading out there and worried about downvotes going away, there's still a report button. Jerks won't be tolerated. Use it I will say that in the next site update (December maybe) we will be moving to a reaction system, similar to Facebook, where you can more accurately say why you "liked" a particular post. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterion137 Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 3 hours ago, Chaos said: I will say that in the next site update (December maybe) we will be moving to a reaction system, similar to Facebook, where you can more accurately say why you "liked" a particular post Will we still have ranks though? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 31 minutes ago, asterion137 said: Will we still have ranks though? Those aren't going away! A while after Oathbringer I'll probably add some new OB inspired ones. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argent Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 9 hours ago, Chaos said: Those aren't going away! A while after Oathbringer I'll probably add some new OB inspired ones. Such as flatbutt! 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eerongal Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 10 minutes ago, Argent said: Such as flatbutt! *user was perma-banned for spoiling all of oathbringer for everyone* 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argent Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Eerongal said: *user was perma-banned for spoiling all of oathbringer for everyone* For all eternity. But hey, I didn't say who had a flat butt! I could've been talking about... some statue somewhere. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaymyth Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 24 minutes ago, Argent said: For all eternity. But hey, I didn't say who had a flat butt! I could've been talking about... some statue somewhere. I object! You have clearly spoiled the fact that butts exist on Roshar! 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleksiel Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 (edited) I like this. However, I have a question - after I upvote a post, a downvote arrow appears. Does this mean I can change my mind later and un-vote posts now? Does it continue, could I upvote it again after that? I am curious, but decided not to experiment on anyone's post Edited November 22, 2017 by Aleksiel 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 17 minutes ago, Aleksiel said: I like this. However, I have a question - after I upvote a post, a downvote arrow appears. Does this mean I can change my mind later and un-vote posts now? Does it continue, could I upvote it again after that? I am curious, but decided not to experiment on anyone's post That's what that means; that's how you undo giving rep. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eerongal Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Kaymyth said: I object! You have clearly spoiled the fact that butts exist on Roshar! Yep. Me, and probably others, have now thrown our copies of oathbringer in the garbage at this point. Literally zero reason to read it anymore. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 (edited) Everything feels wierd now... I'm used to the downvote button being there. It was like the guy at the party who you tried to stay away from, but whose absence is noticeable. R.I.P the downvote button. Edited November 23, 2017 by Toaster Retribution 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leyrann Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 I actually use the downvote button when I think someone is needlessly rude or in an other way obnoxious but it isn't so bad that I feel like I want to use the report button, is there any other way (apart from a reply, which at that point is probably annoyed in itself because I am annoyed by that person) that I can express this? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Leyrann said: I actually use the downvote button when I think someone is needlessly rude or in an other way obnoxious but it isn't so bad that I feel like I want to use the report button, is there any other way (apart from a reply, which at that point is probably annoyed in itself because I am annoyed by that person) that I can express this? Report it anyway, we would like to know rude and obnoxious people and monitor them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mestiv Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Yeah, we don't punish people for reporting stuff, even if we don't agree with given report. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walin Posted November 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 So did the change require an addition of code or a deletion of code (or deletion, with some added to fix resultant bugs) @Chaos? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 12 hours ago, Walin said: So did the change require an addition of code or a deletion of code (or deletion, with some added to fix resultant bugs) @Chaos? No. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 I'm curious how people feel this has changed discourse on the forums in the past week or two. Good? Bad? There's always pros and cons, so I'm curious what people think. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sovereign Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 On 11/22/2017 at 1:28 AM, Chaos said: Those aren't going away! A while after Oathbringer I'll probably add some new OB inspired ones. Deadeye 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsterMetroid Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 I guess I am really glad I joined this site when I did. I use Reddit and I enjoy it but I get downvoted a lot, because I am pretty honest about the way I feel about things and if it isn't the way someone else feels then they downvote me to show me that they disagree. That means I dont post a different opinion because I dont want to get downvoted and then it turns into groupthink so Quickly. So I am a huge fan and Im glad it was like this when I joined caue i would probably be negative karma right now for my feelings on Moash 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walin Posted December 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 @ChaosI sometimes feel like some people get more upvotes than their posts warrant; for example I got 7 upvotes just for getting the first reaction thread up about the small site change. And the AKS thread was an upvote generator, as opposed to some other theory threads that got only a few upvotes. Though that's less of a problem with the upvote system and more of a me-being-picky-about-my-opinions sort of thing. So actually, that wasn't meant to be a complaint but more of a notification that I like short theory discussion with some upvotes rather than an ongoing thread with just a bunch of opinions being expressed for the course of eight years. But AKS was only a few weeks so I don't really have a problem with it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 23 hours ago, Chaos said: I'm curious how people feel this has changed discourse on the forums in the past week or two. Good? Bad? There's always pros and cons, so I'm curious what people think. I haven't been very active on the site for the past two months, but I've been browsing around for the past week and things feel different. Obviously there's always a huge shock and influx of new members when a major book like OB comes out, but still. I do agree that I've seen a lot of posts with strangely high rep levels that seem very disconnected to the merit of the posts. I've also noticed a couple of really contentious threads where people have just been outright jerks, which is definitely not something I'm used to on the Shard. I'm not sure if that's because of the influx of new members or the more limited ability to self-police or a combination of the two. There's definitely been a strange vibe since I got back though, and I guess it's just weird. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mestiv Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 2 hours ago, Left said: I've also noticed a couple of really contentious threads where people have just been outright jerks Please, please, please, use the report button in such case. We can't be everywhere and so we need your help 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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