Popular Post Windrunner Posted November 14, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 Oathbringer has given us a much more in-depth look at Odium's forces, particularly the Unmade. Unquestionably, one of the most interesting of the Unmade is Ba-Ado-Mishram. Quote I find Ba-Ado-Mishram to be the most interesting of the Unmade. She is said to have been keen of mind, a highprincess among the enemy forces, their commander during some of the Desolations. I do not know how this relates to the ancient god of the enemy, named Odium. —From Hessi’s Mythica, page 22 Oathbringer Epigraph 106 This is a promising villain. The mindless Unmade are terrifying enough, let alone an Unmade that commanded Odium's troops. Surely she has to be a major villain in this book series. However, a question remains. Where is she? Quote There is very little information about Ba-Ado-Mishram in more modern times. I can only assume she, unlike many of them, returned to Damnation or was destroyed during Aharietiam. —From Hessi’s Mythica, page 226 Oathbringer Epigraph 107 Both of these are possibilities. However, returning to Damnation seems unlikely, the rest of the Unmade seem fairly active. We've seen evidence that Nergaoul, Moelach, and Chemoarish have remained active, if subtle during the Era of Solitude. In fact, we know that it is impossible that Ba-Ado-Mishram was destroyed during Aharietiam or returned to Braize afterward. Quote Ba-Ado-Mishram has somehow Connected with the parsh people, as Odium once did. She provides Voidlight and facilitates forms of power. Our strike team is going to imprison her. —From drawer 30-20, fourth emerald Oathbringer Epigraph 80 These epigraphs are from the gemstones left behind in Urithiru, from around the time of its abandonment before the Recreance. So Ba-Ado-Mishram was still alive around the time of the False Desolation, allowing the singers to take on the forms of power and providing Voidlight. A strike team went to go to imprison her, and nothing has been heard of her since. Since the arrival of the Everstorm, she has made no appearance at either Kholinar or the Battle of Thaylen Fields, the two largest direct conflicts so far. So it seems possible that they succeeded. So, if she is imprisoned, where could she be? We know that she is crafty and that she provides Voidlight, which seems to have been entirely absent in Roshar since her imprisonment. With one notable exception. Quote “The Parshendi? That makes no sense.” Gavilar coughed, hand quivering, reaching toward his chest and fumbling at a pocket. He pulled out a small crystalline sphere tied to a chain. “You must take this. They must not get it.” He seemed dazed. “Tell…tell my brother…he must find the most important words a man can say….” Gavilar fell still. Szeth hesitated, then knelt down and took the sphere. It was odd, unlike any he’d seen before. Though it was completely dark, it seemed to glow somehow. With a light that was black. The Way of Kings Prologue Quote Gavilar removed something from his pocket. A sphere? It was dark, yet somehow still glowed. As if it had . . . an aura of blackness, a phantom light that was not light. Faintly violet. It seemed to suck in the light around it. He set it on the table before her. “Take that to the Five and explain what I told you. Tell them to remember what your people once were. Wake up, Eshonai.” Oathbringer Prologue Gavilar's dark spheres have long been a subject of discussion. Some have considered the possibility that those spheres contain Unmade. Given what we've seen this book, I consider that to be unlikely. We have at least six of the Unmade accounted for, with only Dai-gonarthis, Chemoarish, and Ba-Ado-Mishram absent. What are the odds that Gavilar happens to have two perfect gems each containing an Unmade and that he values them so little that he's willing to give them away? The most simple explanation is that these spheres are charged with Voidlight. Where could Gavilar have gotten it from? The easiest answer prior to the Everstorm and the new Desolation is that he got it from Ba-Ado-Mishram. Gavilar seems to give additional credence to that idea. Quote “Our enslaved parshmen were once like you. Then we somehow robbed them of their ability to undergo the transformation. We did it by capturing a spren. An ancient, crucial spren.” He looked at her, green eyes alight. “I’ve seen how that can be reversed. A new storm that will bring the Heralds out of hiding. A new war.” Oathbringer Prologue The spren he refers to must be Ba-Ado-Mishram. How does he know about this? He's presumably seeing the same visions that Dalinar did (I'm making the assumption that he bonded the Stormfather because there is no evidence so far of a connection between Gavilar and the Nightwatcher and the Sibling remains elusive). Dalinar knows nothing about the capture of Ba-Ado-Mishram from his visions, so how does Gavilar? Gavilar has long seemed to know things he shouldn't. He even mentions a new storm here, something that did not appear in Dalinar's visions (one may make an argument about the destruction of Kholinar vision, but that doesn't match the description of the Everstorm, more like a metaphorical wave of destruction in my opinion). Gavilar has also taken the Stormfather's visions in a much darker direction than Dalinar, trying to trigger the Desolation to unite Roshar rather than prevent it in the first place. It has long seemed to me that he may have been in contact with some sort of nefarious force that was manipulating him to its own ends. The fact that Gavilar has Voidlight, implies that he was at some point in contact with Ba-Ado-Mishram, who has the ability to provide Voidlight. Even if Gavilar was not being manipulated, he must have come in contact with Ba-Ado-Mishram to gain the Voidlight and perhaps learn about how she was imprisoned. So the question remains, where is she? Quote “Over there,” the Fused said through an interpreter. He pointed at a section of wall. “Break this down.” Moash wiped his brow, frowning as other slaves began work there. Why break down that wall? Wouldn’t it be needed to rebuild this portion of the palace? “Curious, human?” Moash jumped, startled to find a figure hovering down through the broken ceiling, swathed in black. Lady Leshwi still visited Moash, the man who had killed her. She was important among the singers, but not in a highprince sort of way. More like a field captain. “I guess I am curious, Ancient Singer,” Moash said. “Is there a reason you’re ripping apart this section of the palace? More than just to clear away the rubble?” “Yes. But you do not yet need to know why.” Oathbringer Chapter 121 Quote Nearby, some workers broke rocks, and a patch of blood stained the ground. The two singer guards shouted at him to get out. Wit adopted a frightened glance, and hurried to obey, but tripped himself so he fell against the far wall of the palace—a portion that was still standing. Oathbringer Epilogue The Fused are destroying a portion of the palace for a specific reason. I believe that the reason is that Ba-Ado-Mishram is imprisoned somewhere within or below the palace in Kholinar. Gavilar as a budding Bondsmith came into contact with her somehow and she spoke to him and gave him Voidlight. Gavilar may have intended to release her to trigger the Desolation or he may have been following her instructions to start it some other way. The question remains, why was she imprisoned beneath the palace? Well, when the ancient Radiants captured her, they needed to put her somewhere. Urirthiru is the obvious choice, however the city was failing by that point. The Radiants were abandoning it in droves. Where else could they put the prison? Perhaps in the capital city of Alethela, the ancestral homeland of the Radiants? Where else could have been better defended? When the Radiants fell, this knowledge was lost and the location of Ba-Ado-Mishram's prison was forgotten. The Fused focused on taking Kholinar first to ensure the return of their finest leader, who will become a real problem for humankind in the next few books. 45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeldancer Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 Fascinating theory. 3 years until we find out anything more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Star Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 I'm personally wondering if Ba-Ado-Mishram is in Gavilar's sphere. Didn't the journal excerpts mention that one of the consistent legends surrounding it was that you had to swallow a sphere in order to gain the 10 surges? I like your idea of there being a secret under Kholinar, but I feel like trapping an unmade under such a huge population center wouldn't really have cut it as a plan. I'm wondering if it's something even older than an unmade, possibly related to the patterned architecture of Kholinar. Maybe something related to the dawnsingers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenolith Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 The problem with your theory is that the singers have had their ability to change form restored and Fused don't seem to be limited in the amount of Voidlight available. So Ba-Ado-Mishram must have already been freed. I'd posit that she is the spren of the Everstorm, and the Stormform listeners freed her at the end of WoR. Also, the thing they were looking for at the palace could just as well have been Elhokar's spren. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pagerunner Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 Agree 100%. Those were basically my impressions as well, but I hadn't made the last connection about Gavilar getting his Voidlight from her and hiding her in Kholinar. The size of that Dalinar used at the end of Oathbringer makes me think that the normal spheres are too small to hold an Unmade, and it also evidences that a perfectly cut gem is not a sphere. My initial impression of the last scene was that Odium's forces were after the Cryptic that Hoid rescued, since he recovered it from the same location. But I like your interpretation better. 13 hours ago, Patrick Star said: Didn't the journal excerpts mention that one of the consistent legends surrounding it was that you had to swallow a sphere in order to gain the 10 surges? That was swallowing a gemstone, for Yelig-Nar. Which is what we saw happen on-screen with Amaram and the small amethyst, and referenced off-screen with Aesudan. 13 hours ago, Xenolith said: The problem with your theory is that the singers have had their ability to change form restored and Fused don't seem to be limited in the amount of Voidlight available. So Ba-Ado-Mishram must have already been freed. I'd posit that she is the spren of the Everstorm, and the Stormform listeners freed her at the end of WoR. Also, the thing they were looking for at the palace could just as well have been Elhokar's spren. Ba-Ado-Mishram provided Forms and Voidlight during the False Desolation, as referenced in the stormlight archive epigraphs. (Or is that not a good name for the gemstone library in Urithiru?) Odium normally provided both, but Ba-Ado was able to fill in for a period of time, resulting in the war that was happening during the Feverstone Keep visions. With Odium returned through a proper Desolation, they can take on forms without Ba-Ado. But she still has a big role to play as a commander, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leyrann Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 Someone help me out. I've heard about the False Desolation before, but I cannot find any information about it, not even on google (the literally only hit I got was this thread). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pagerunner Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 45 minutes ago, Leyrann said: Someone help me out. I've heard about the False Desolation before, but I cannot find any information about it, not even on google (the literally only hit I got was this thread). Jasnah first mentions it in Chapter 56, as her theory for what the Radiants were fighting at the time of the Recreance. We apparently had parshmen taking on voidforms outside of an actual Desolation (so, presumably they didn't have Fused or Thunderclasts or anything like that.) The Chapter 80 epigraph is what I think connects Ba-Ado to that, since the other gemstone recordings were set shortly before the abandonment of Urithiru and the Recreance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argent Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 Good theory, I like it. If I may, I think I can add a little bit of extra evidence towards it, though it's minor and speculative. Chapter 83: Crimson to Break's epigraph reads the following: Quote As the duly appointed keepers of the perfect gems, we of the Elsecallers have taken the burden of protecting the ruby nicknamed Honor’s Drop. Let it be recorded. Later, Dalinar imprisons Nergaoul inside the King's Drop, a large ruby that hasn't leaked Stormlight in over 2,000 thousand years - a pretty good candidate for a perfect gem, and a pretty good candidate for Honor's Drop (whose name got lost in time). I find it likely that another perfect gemstone was used to trap Ba-Ado-Mishram. And if they are as rare and precious to warrant storage in Thaylen City's reserve, then it's entirely possible that Kholinar's own reserve has had another one. Probably not an emerald though, as there were no mentions of anything weird in the emerald reserve Kaladin & co. were lugging around. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstSelector Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 I think that this is a very interesting theory, but I think that the destruction of the palace is for another (possibly additional) reason. I think it was instead to retrieve the Cryptic that Elhokar summoned and that Hoid saved. For what purpose they wanted it, I don't know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowmancer Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 14 hours ago, FirstSelector said: I think that this is a very interesting theory, but I think that the destruction of the palace is for another (possibly additional) reason. I think it was instead to retrieve the Cryptic that Elhokar summoned and that Hoid saved. For what purpose they wanted it, I don't know. Perhaps there is something special about this Cryptic, as there is something special about Syl and Glys. The ones who come over are often very important individuals/spren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleksiel Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 On 11/15/2017 at 1:38 AM, Windrunner said: Gavilar's dark spheres have long been a subject of discussion. Some have considered the possibility that those spheres contain Unmade. Given what we've seen this book, I consider that to be unlikely. Are you saying that sphere is another perfect gem then? Because otherwise the voidlight should have evaporated already. Well, that and regular spheres don't seem to hold voidlight judging how the everstorm passed Kaladin in the beginning and his spheres remained dun, but that's inconclusive, we didn't see anyone attempting to charge spheres in the everstorm. Still, it's suspicious it glows dark after so much time. It could hold the missing unmade, the one that was lost to even myth and legends. I, too, was under the impression the fused in Kholinar were looking for the Cryptic Hoid rescued. I wonder if Ba-Ado-Mishram's disappearance and Honor's death are connected, but it doesn't fit well into the timeline we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KidWayne Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 On 11/14/2017 at 6:38 PM, Windrunner said: I'm making the assumption that [Gavilar] bonded the Stormfather because there is no evidence so far of a connection between Gavilar and the Nightwatcher and the Sibling remains elusive The Stormfather sends visions to whomever he wants, it doesn't require a bond and Odium told Dalinar that he is the first to bond the Stormfather in his "current form" (i.e. since the Recreance / Death of Honor). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windrunner Posted November 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 On 11/15/2017 at 9:42 AM, Pagerunner said: Ba-Ado-Mishram provided Forms and Voidlight during the False Desolation, as referenced in the stormlight archive epigraphs. (Or is that not a good name for the gemstone library in Urithiru?) Odium normally provided both, but Ba-Ado was able to fill in for a period of time, resulting in the war that was happening during the Feverstone Keep visions. With Odium returned through a proper Desolation, they can take on forms without Ba-Ado. But she still has a big role to play as a commander, Exactly my thoughts as well! 1 hour ago, Aleksiel said: Are you saying that sphere is another perfect gem then? Because otherwise the voidlight should have evaporated already. Well, that and regular spheres don't seem to hold voidlight judging how the everstorm passed Kaladin in the beginning and his spheres remained dun, but that's inconclusive, we didn't see anyone attempting to charge spheres in the everstorm. Still, it's suspicious it glows dark after so much time. I would point out that we don't know how long the Voidlight was in those spheres. Gavilar has them on hand and gives them away casually. We've not seen Szeth's or Eshonai's since. It's possible that they've gone dun in the intervening period. In my mind, if they were perfect gems or Unmade trapped in a gem, Gavilar would not be handing them out like party favors, in my opinion. A regular old sphere full of Voidlight is much less valuable. 1 hour ago, KidWayne said: The Stormfather sends visions to whomever he wants, it doesn't require a bond and Odium told Dalinar that he is the first to bond the Stormfather in his "current form" (i.e. since the Recreance / Death of Honor). The Stormfather specifically mentions what the visions are for. Quote I was given this leave: to choose those who would best be served by the visions. He paused, then grudgingly continued. To choose a Bondsmith. Oathbringer chapter 28 Gavilar may not have gotten as far along in his bond, he may not have sworn any oaths yet, but there is no doubt in my mind that he was a nascent Bondsmith. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifth of Daybreak Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 (edited) If Odium and Ba-Ado-Mishram can connect directly with Singers as Odium does, what use would there be to keep Voidlight in spheres? We've seen no evidence that the fused need to be able to transport Voidlight, so what would be the point? How would you remove the Voidlight without removing the unmade from the prison? Plus, Aesudan basically tells us that Gavilar found Yalig-Nar. Quote “I continued your father’s work! I found the secret, Elhokar. Spren, ancient spren. You can bond with them!” “Bond…” Elhokar’s mouth worked, as if he couldn’t understand the very word he spoke. “Have you seen my Radiants?” Aesudan asked. She grinned. “The Queen’s Guard? I’ve done what your father could not. Oh, he found one of the ancient spren, but he could never discover how to bond it. But I, I have solved the riddle.” ... “I have outgrown you, Elhokar. I have taken the gemstone into me, and have harnessed Yelig-nar’s power.” Something started to twist around her, a black smoke, blown as if from an unseen wind. 84 The One You Can Save There's also no reason to hide the other one from the Parshendi if it's just Voidlight. They've been given sphere A, why would gavilar care if they also then have sphere B that has been tied to a chain if it's just Voidlight? Quote “The Parshendi? That makes no sense.” Gavilar coughed, hand quivering, reaching toward his chest and fumbling at a pocket. He pulled out a small crystalline sphere tied to a chain. “You must take this. They must not get it.” WoK Prologue There are far too many inconsistencies for me to believe it's just Voidlight in those. Edited November 18, 2017 by Fifth of Daybreak 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FollowYourMuse Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 (edited) When Dalinar gives the Kings drop to Navani, she tells him she has seen something like it before only much smaller like a sphere. "Gavilar made it." Chapter 121 Ideals page 1123 thanks @Fifth of Daybreak Edited November 18, 2017 by FollowYourMuse 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozndevl Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 So, how does gavilar make a perfect sphere out of a crystal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifth of Daybreak Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 24 minutes ago, FollowYourMuse said: When Dalinar gives the Kings drop to Navani, she tells him she has seen something like it before only much smaller like a sphere. "Gavilar made it." Nice! Chapter 121 Ideals page 1123 18 minutes ago, frozndevl said: So, how does gavilar make a perfect sphere out of a crystal? Surges? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FollowYourMuse Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Fifth of Daybreak said: Nice! Chapter 121 Ideals page 1123 Surges? Thanks for locating that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifth of Daybreak Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 Just now, FollowYourMuse said: Thanks for locating that. You located it, that's the hard part. Finding quotes on an ebook is easy once I know what to look for. All the kudos go to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulminato Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 Honor in is vision talk clearly of the everstorm. “But why?” Dalinar asked. “Please. Why did they abandon their duty?” The figure seemed to study him. “I have said that cannot be of much help to you. The Night of Sorrows will come, and the True Desolation. The Everstorm.” WotK Chapter 52 "highway of the sun" and for the gavilar's sphere give to szeth That tale always discomforted Szeth, as it reminded him of the strange black sphere Gavilar had given him. He’d hidden that carefully in Jah Keved. He didn’t know what it was, but he didn’t want to risk a master taking it from him. WotK Chapter I-3 "The Glory of Ignorance" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dryone_2 Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 I really like Windrunner's theory. I think all captured Unmade were transferred to Kholinar when Urithiru was abandoned. Then one Alethi king (Sunmaker?) decided to free the Thrill to give him an edge. The empty ruby ended in Thaylenar. All other perfect gems were embedded in Kholinar's palace walls. The Unmade were released with the Everstorm, together with the parshmen. Getting hold of the perfect gems is still prio#1 for Odium's and the Fused because they are a danger for the Unmade. The location of Elokhar's spren was a coincidence in my opinion. I'm unsure about the black spheres. Possibilities: - they contain lesser sprens like Ulim - they are conjoined with perfect gems and act as a key for those perfect gems - ...? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonaldinhoReagan Posted December 14, 2017 Report Share Posted December 14, 2017 Interesting theory but I feel like some of the conversation has kind of poked holes in it. If Bo-Ado-Mishram (BAM) was trapped in a gemstone then why would they just be free to roam out onto Hoid's hand from the wall? Furthermore why would it be a Cryptic? That doesn't at all fit the established theme of the Unmade. I think this evidence definitely points towards BAM being present in Kholinar, at least prior to Gavilar's assassination; his access to voidlight is a strong indicator. But I don't think the spren in the wall is one in the same. If you recall, it was trembling after escaping with Hoid. Why would it be scared of the Fused if it was their Unmade commander, and why would it go with Hoid rather than wait to be found by it's supposed own soldiers? With Navani mentioning late in OB that Gavilar had made something similar to King's Drop, it sounds much more like it's prison was elsewhere. While I think the black spheres are spheres of voidlight, perhaps the one he gives to Szeth (notably on a chain instead of being loose) was BAM's prison. It was the only one he seemed scared of falling into the wrong hands. As Windrunner said in this thread, the rest he gave out "like party favors". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.S.A.M.K.M Posted December 15, 2017 Report Share Posted December 15, 2017 As far as the Parshendi knew, Gavilar still had the black sphere, the same for the sons of honor. So naturally assumed he must have hidden it in the palace. Only the truthless knew it's true location. i wonder if the sons of honor, in their search for the knights and void bringers, they discovered other bits of lore or items. this unmade is a source of void light, I wonder if that can be used to trap other unmade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormingTexan Posted December 15, 2017 Report Share Posted December 15, 2017 (edited) 8 hours ago, RonaldinhoReagan said: Interesting theory but I feel like some of the conversation has kind of poked holes in it. If Bo-Ado-Mishram (BAM) was trapped in a gemstone then why would they just be free to roam out onto Hoid's hand from the wall? Furthermore why would it be a Cryptic? That doesn't at all fit the established theme of the Unmade. Sorry not sure where you are getting this? I don’t think anyone said the Spren Hoid took was Bo-Ado-Mishram. That was clearly Elhokar‘s spren. The OP is saying the fused are destroying the palace searching for Bo-Ado-Mishram hidden somewherethere. The bit with Hoid was just happenstance. I honestly thought that they were destroying the palace for the Spren too but now that I think of it would they go to that much trouble for a Spren? I don’t know maybe but I like the OPs theory. Makes a lot of sense why Kholinar was where they struck first. Edit: Also I think I remember there was a WoB that said something like that we will know for sure what the black sphere was after OB. I believe he said to ask him if we do not which I don’t feel like we do 100%. So if anyone sees him ask! Edited December 15, 2017 by StormingTexan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varenus Posted December 15, 2017 Report Share Posted December 15, 2017 (edited) On 11/18/2017 at 8:26 AM, frozndevl said: So, how does gavilar make a perfect sphere out of a crystal? I bet that they are Parshendi gemhearts, but that is just random speculation. I'm fifty-fifty on the black spheres being unmade/voidlight. On one hand Aesudan says that Gavilar had found one Unmade, but he has two black spheres. So that seems to imply that the sphere's are not Unmade or that the queen didn't know all of Gavilar's secrets. Also, it seems strange that the Unmade were bound in those spheres before the plot actually explains how they got there in the first place, then have them be set free two books later. On the other hand why would Gavilar only have two spheres of voidlight? Why stop at two? Why not a hundred and why bother keeping the second one away from the Parshendi? On 11/18/2017 at 1:00 PM, Dryone_2 said: Then one Alethi king (Sunmaker?) decided to free the Thrill to give him an edge. I think it might be the opposite way around. The Thrill/Nergaoul seems to follow where ever that black sphere goes, until the third book anyway. When Gavilar had it, his armies in Alethkar felt the Thrill most strongly. Then, Szeth moves it to Jah Kevad and it is felt more strongly in that country. Mr. T mentions that the Thrill was moving away from Alethkar and towards Jah Keved in WoR. Though I can't remember the exact chapter, here is a line from the coppermind: Quote While in Vedenar, Dalinar inspects the remains of the armies. He learns from them that the Thrill grew stronger when fighting in the Civil War. Dalinar realizes that as he felt the Thrill less it became stronger for the people in Jah Kevad. Edited December 15, 2017 by Varenus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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