Toaster Retribution

Amaram Fan Club

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Ignoring the fact that he stole the Shardblade Kaladin was giving to someone else, helped out Sadeas against Dalinar, tried too hard to have a perfect reputation, and

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Is dead and tried killing people,

Amaram is a great guy.

 (And I know I missed some things - I was summing up the whole)

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Yay! Someone revived this! Amaram is awesome. And @Silva you can´t really blame Amaram for (OB spoilers):

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Being dead. That one is completely on Rock.

 

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His fault for 

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Being there

 

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1 hour ago, Silva said:

His fault for 

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Being there

 

@Silva That one is technically on Dalinar for 

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telling him to go there

 

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But 

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He chose to help out Ialai

 

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That one is also on Dalinar because

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He offered to help but Dalinar didn’t want him.

 

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9 hours ago, Ark1002 said:

Bah, amaram is still cool.

Thank you.

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Next there’s going to be a Sadeas Fan Club. 

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As characters they are both extremely well written. As people they are buckets of crem.

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Absolutely agreeing with you there. In that sense, they're a lot like Denth from Warbreaker or TLR from Mistborn or Elend's brother from Mistborn. 

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Technically, Amaram and TLR aren’t buckets of crem. They try to do what they percieve as right. Sadeas is chullcrem though. Denth is just a mercenary, and is as bad as other swords for hire in other stories. Zane is mentally unhinged and grew up as a weapon to an abusive father. 

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Very true. But doesn’t everyone try to do what they perceive as right? Mistborn Era 1 Spoilers. (I don’t know spoiler policy so just to be safe.)

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TLR did do what was right. He just didn’t have experience with his powers. And had Ruin influence eventually, but it wasn’t his fault. I also feel for Zane, he was trained to be the way he was, and also had Ruin influence.

So I guess buckets of crem is a bit extreme, but Amaram has misguided morals.

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1 hour ago, Life&Death said:

As characters they are both extremely well written. As people they are buckets of crem.

There more than buckets of crem. They are the manifestations of Greediness, Arrogance, Stupidity, Ignorance and a bunch of other nasty things. 

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Greediness, yes, arrogance, definitely, stupidity, not really, ignorance, possibly.

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22 hours ago, Toaster Retribution said:

That one is also on Dalinar because

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He offered to help but Dalinar didn’t want him.

 

I know this is past, but it was Amaram’s fault for

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Wanting power that would come from helping 

 

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19 minutes ago, Silva said:

I know this is past, but it was Amaram’s fault for

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Wanting power that would come from helping 

 

Well technically he wanted that in order to 

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Help people. Yes, there is also a wish to be a hero, but Amaram does care about other people.

 

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Though not when he’s 

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Murderously (is that a word?) trying to kill them while dying.

 

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That is actually on Odium for

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Showing Amaram the lies of Vorinism and making him realize that every crime he commited was for nothing. He was weak enough to succumb to Odiums offer of guilt-removal.

 

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So he’s a poor person because he can’t 

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Handle the weight of his decisions. He’d rather pretend to be a good person than really be one.

 

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Nope. He is a tragic person because

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Sacrificed everything for a cause that ended up being a lie. And when those sacrifices weren’t worth anything anymore, the guilt was the only thing remaining. 

 

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So he’s stupid and doesn’t think things through. You proved my point.

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I wonder what would we think o Amaram if we got his viewpoints instead of Kaladin’s.  I still don’t think he is a good person, but he isn’t pure evil.  He’s quite interesting, especially after reading @Toaster Retribution’s reasons.  I don’t hate Amaram, nor do I particularly like him.

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1 hour ago, Silva said:

So he’s stupid and doesn’t think things through. You proved my point.

Being a religious fanatic and obeying the orders of people you respect doesn’t make you stupid or unable to think things through. It is not like the Heralds openly announced the fact that Vorinism was a sham. Amaram believed it, and he believed in the ideas that Gavilar (his king) and Restares had regarding what was best for everyone. He even questioned if he was doing the right thing, and he did it often. Both before killing Kaladins men and while sending his letter to Restares. So, he does in fact think things through.  

 

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