Popular Post The Allomantic Metalhead Posted October 30, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 Okay this isn't really a theory, it's simple logic: A gold misting would make an excellent soulforger due to the fact that they have the allomantic ability to see their possible other pasts. Thus, reforging their soul would be a simple process of writing down what they saw in their gold shadow. Of course, it would take a few tries to get the "right" possible past for each essence mark, but that doesn't change the fact that it would work. It would also take a lot of effort to learn the art of forgery, but I think being an augur-forger would be worth it (partially because it's so damnation awesome). Thoughts? 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainRyan Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 I like the idea! Have an upvote! To build on it, using malatium to see other people's past could help you sell strong stamps to others. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Allomantic Metalhead Posted October 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 1 hour ago, CaptainRyan said: I like the idea! Have an upvote! To build on it, using malatium to see other people's past could help you sell strong stamps to others. Great idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catie Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 (edited) that's a really cool idea! im following this bc i want to see where it goes Edited October 31, 2017 by Catie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shqueeves Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 Personally, I think an aluminum ferring would be better. They can go identity-less and be stamped with practically anything 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Shqueeves said: Personally, I think an aluminum ferring would be better. They can go identity-less and be stamped with practically anything I don't think this is true. Be Identity-less doesn't remove your history, the Soul will still fight back the manipulation. You will only gain a margin to the amount of Dor working to the Forgery. As the Identity-less state would mean the Investiture Interference doesn't apply 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 Depending on what it's able to store, manipulation of connection would probably be better at altering your history. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podman Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 59 minutes ago, Yata said: I don't think this is true. Be Identity-less doesn't remove your history, the Soul will still fight back the manipulation. You will only gain a margin to the amount of Dor working to the Forgery. As the Identity-less state would mean the Investiture Interference doesn't apply I actually agree with Shqueeves. From what I understand, (correct me if I’m wrong) storing Identity would, if only while you stored it, make you a sort of clean slate for Forgery. What you are suggesting is that somehow, although having no personal identity (that was built through past experiences) you still have a history. That would mean a soul stamp would say something like, “... he was proud, and then no longer existed as himself, then was extra himself, then ate a cookie he found in a dark alleyway.” Sorry for the rambling (and probably incoherent) post, it’s late and I’m tired. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 54 minutes ago, podman36 said: I actually agree with Shqueeves. From what I understand, (correct me if I’m wrong) storing Identity would, if only while you stored it, make you a sort of clean slate for Forgery. What you are suggesting is that somehow, although having no personal identity (that was built through past experiences) you still have a history. That would mean a soul stamp would say something like, “... he was proud, and then no longer existed as himself, then was extra himself, then ate a cookie he found in a dark alleyway.” Sorry for the rambling (and probably incoherent) post, it’s late and I’m tired. The point is Identity is not what you think. It's not something related to your personality or experience or memories. It's "only" a Spiritual markup that allows Investiture to work with other Investiture without interference. It's what allow a Feruchemist but not another one to access his Metalmind or a guy to retrive his Breath from an object but deny other from doing it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solant Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Yata said: The point is Identity is not what you think. It's not something related to your personality or experience or memories. It's "only" a Spiritual markup that allows Investiture to work with other Investiture without interference. It's what allow a Feruchemist but not another one to access his Metalmind or a guy to retrive his Breath from an object but deny other from doing it Like a spiritual fingerprint or retina scan etc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Allomantic Metalhead Posted October 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 7 hours ago, Shqueeves said: Personally, I think an aluminum ferring would be better. They can go identity-less and be stamped with practically anything Why not both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podman Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 8 hours ago, Yata said: The point is Identity is not what you think. It's not something related to your personality or experience or memories. It's "only" a Spiritual markup that allows Investiture to work with other Investiture without interference. It's what allow a Feruchemist but not another one to access his Metalmind or a guy to retrive his Breath from an object but deny other from doing it So what you're saying is that because the interference isn't another Investiture, but your own history, storing Identity doesn't solve the problem. I think that makes sense. You're probably right. However, in that case I'm moving my vote to what @Calderis said. Storing/tapping connection would probably get the effect I was thinking of earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Allomantic Metalhead Posted January 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 On 10/31/2017 at 3:10 AM, Yata said: The point is Identity is not what you think. It's not something related to your personality or experience or memories. It's "only" a Spiritual markup that allows Investiture to work with other Investiture without interference. It's what allow a Feruchemist but not another one to access his Metalmind or a guy to retrive his Breath from an object but deny other from doing it Would copper feruchemy affect soulforging, then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 1 hour ago, The Allomantic Metalhead said: Would copper feruchemy affect soulforging, then? Actually no, the Forgery works regardless of your knowledge. It's what your Soul "knows" to matter (so what It's written in your Spiritweb), not your actual memories. A guy with an amnesia It's harder as a guy without amnesia to forge. To affect Forgery, you need to manipulate soul...So a Connection-editing would work but not a mere memories editing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 On 10/31/2017 at 1:10 AM, Yata said: The point is Identity is not what you think. It's not something related to your personality or experience or memories. It's "only" a Spiritual markup that allows Investiture to work with other Investiture without interference. It's what allow a Feruchemist but not another one to access his Metalmind or a guy to retrive his Breath from an object but deny other from doing it Sorry, Yata, you are actually wrong on this one. Quote sebarial Would a feruchemist actively storing identity be more susceptible to Forgery? Would more outlandish changes be able to take effect? Thanks for your time, and have a wonderful day. Brandon Sanderson Yes, if you store identity, it makes you susceptible to ALL KINDS of things in the Cosmere. Forgery would be on the short list. bubblebooy Does the difficulty of effecting metals in a body with Allomancy have to do with identity? Brandon Sanderson No, more to do with the fact that most people are innately invested in the Cosmere--and certain planets have extra investiture. Something invested is more difficult to transform/move/etc with another form of investiture. source 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 34 minutes ago, RShara said: Sorry, Yata, you are actually wrong on this one. I corrected the Identity's meaning. Not the possibility to turn the Forgery a bit easier with an Identity-Less guy. Anyway in the List of what you will be more susceptible while Identity-Less, Forgery would be one of the less impacted as the main obstacle (The Soul's rightful sense of self) is still there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy92 Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 On October 30, 2017 at 6:10 PM, The Allomantic Metalhead said: Okay this isn't really a theory, it's simple logic: This was a very intimidating way to start this thread because right off the bat I worried about feeling stupid if I didn't understand the theory. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Allomantic Metalhead Posted January 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 8 hours ago, Andy92 said: This was a very intimidating way to start this thread because right off the bat I worried about feeling stupid if I didn't understand the theory. Point taken. Sorry, I didn't mean it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy92 Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 2 hours ago, The Allomantic Metalhead said: Point taken. Sorry, I didn't mean it that way. Nah I'm just joking around. It's all good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted January 30, 2018 Report Share Posted January 30, 2018 Even better combo is when you throw in Radiant Lightweaver I have explained my reasoning here: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cognitive Shadow Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 On 10/31/2017 at 5:05 AM, The Allomantic Metalhead said: Why not both? If you were both, than you either 1: have hemalurgic spikes, or 2: you would be a fullborn. I don't know what soulstamping would do to someone hemalurgically charged, does anyone have a WoB that would explain this? and if they were a fullborn there would be a whole host of other possible applications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Allomantic Metalhead Posted February 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 9 hours ago, Cognitive Shadow said: If you were both, than you either 1: have hemalurgic spikes, or 2: you would be a fullborn. I don't know what soulstamping would do to someone hemalurgically charged, does anyone have a WoB that would explain this? and if they were a fullborn there would be a whole host of other possible applications. You could be a twinborn. We were talking about allomantic gold and feruchemical aluminum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cognitive Shadow Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 I was referring to gold misting and malatium misting as both, not one or the other. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Allomantic Metalhead Posted February 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 On 2/14/2018 at 7:39 PM, Cognitive Shadow said: I was referring to gold misting and malatium misting as both, not one or the other. oh. ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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